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clovedc

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:01 pm
Post subject: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy
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I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine (machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done this.

Thanks
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John A. Wolf

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:46 pm
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Yes, you can. Check out this article from the Expert Zone:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/russel/02January14.asp

--
John A. Wolf
jawlaw.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com

"clovedc" <anonymous.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:62FA018F-F76F-4AB1-BB88-5DEC766BC7B1@microsoft.com...
>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services to
>one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall
>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users
>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine (machine
>B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont want to
>open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go though
>Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done this.
>
> Thanks
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"Jeffrey Randow

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.

You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
VPN.

Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
jeffreyr-support.RemoveThis@remotenetworktechnology.com

Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
be answered depending on time availability....

Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
<anonymous.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine (machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done this.
>
>Thanks
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John A. Wolf

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jeffrey, I don't want to disagree with you (especially since you have the
MVP and your website is a great resource, which I added to my favorites) but
the article I pointed to in my reply indicates he can do what he is trying
to do.

"You can use this page [the Windows Remote Desktop Web log-in page]to
connect to your Windows XP Professional-based workstation, or any other
computers on your network that have Remote Desktop installed. Yup. You can
use your own Windows XP computer to act as a gateway to other computers on
the network that are running Terminal Services (the underlying protocol for
Remote Desktop), even though they aren't themselves running the Remote
Desktop Web Connection."

Did I read that wrong? I do this at work using Windows Server 2003 as the
gateway machine, so that might be different, but is sounds like it would
work.

Thanks and again great web site.

---
John A. Wolf
jawlaw.RemoveThis@hotmail.com

"Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support.RemoveThis@remotenetworktechnology.com> wrote
in message news:4cmr00dp322tf4i1jarinf0l5du27n0c4g@4ax.com...
> Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
> connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
> Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.
>
> You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
> computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
> VPN.
>
> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
> jeffreyr-support.RemoveThis@remotenetworktechnology.com
>
> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
> be answered depending on time availability....
>
> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
> <anonymous.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services
>>to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall
>>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users
>>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine (machine
>>B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont want to
>>open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go though
>>Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done this.
>>
>>Thanks
>
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Bill Sanderson

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:37 am
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ah - but I don't think you do what the original OP posited (see the very
end of this monologue!

Jeffrey's right (of course!)--and its a good lesson in how the Remote
Desktop Web connection works.

OK--you've got a machine behind a router, running IIS and serving up RDWC.
Port 80 in the router is forwarded to that machine. Port 3389 in the router
is forwarded to that machine.

Behind that machine are a bunch of others.

User from outside points web browser at said machine. OK so far--just port
80 involved. Browser pulls back ActiveX control from web server. ActiveX
control opens communication, via port 3389, to the IP of the router. Where
does that go? To the same machine as is running IIS, of course--where else
can it go, given the router configuration.

OK--we can do better--it is possible to build a custom web page with
separate "buttons" for computer a, b, c. Theres a sample/example for this
somewhere in remotenetworking's stuff from Alex A (sorry--spelling
challenged tonight!) Each button is going to specify a separate port: 3389
to reach the original web machine, 3390 for machine a, 3391 for b, 3392 for
c. This can work, if the router is opened for these additional ports. It
isn't simple to do, though--you have to build the custom web page and
maintain it, and the router must be configured. If you are lucky, you can
just configure the router to do 3391 external to 3389 internal machine b,
otherwise you must change the listening port on machine b.

Anyway--the whole question was about not opening extra ports, and you can't
get there that way with multiple sessions to multiple machines, or even a
single session to multiple machines.

If you want the fewest ports, open a VPN. However, you are limited to a
single session.

Here's how I read what the article was saying:

You can, via RD Web connection, open an RD connection to the "gateway"
machine. From that machine, you can open a second RD session to any of
machine a, b, c.

Yes, this works, but it isn't the same thing as envisioned by the O.P. I
think.

However-- now that we've got it all laid out, I guess he can decide!

(and FWIW, I do what I describe above--multiple RD sessions, via servers
every day, and it works very well. I wouldn't want to depend on it for
end-user access to their own desktops. For that, I much prefer VPN
connections.)

"John A. Wolf" <jawlaw.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OAR22T93DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Jeffrey, I don't want to disagree with you (especially since you have the
> MVP and your website is a great resource, which I added to my favorites)
> but the article I pointed to in my reply indicates he can do what he is
> trying to do.
>
> "You can use this page [the Windows Remote Desktop Web log-in page]to
> connect to your Windows XP Professional-based workstation, or any other
> computers on your network that have Remote Desktop installed. Yup. You can
> use your own Windows XP computer to act as a gateway to other computers on
> the network that are running Terminal Services (the underlying protocol
> for Remote Desktop), even though they aren't themselves running the Remote
> Desktop Web Connection."
>
> Did I read that wrong? I do this at work using Windows Server 2003 as the
> gateway machine, so that might be different, but is sounds like it would
> work.
>
> Thanks and again great web site.
>
> ---
> John A. Wolf
> jawlaw.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com
>
> "Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support.TakeThisOut@remotenetworktechnology.com>
> wrote in message news:4cmr00dp322tf4i1jarinf0l5du27n0c4g@4ax.com...
>> Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
>> connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
>> Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.
>>
>> You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
>> computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
>> VPN.
>>
>> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
>> jeffreyr-support.TakeThisOut@remotenetworktechnology.com
>>
>> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
>> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
>> be answered depending on time availability....
>>
>> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
>> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
>> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
>> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
>> <anonymous.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services
>>>to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>>>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall
>>>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users
>>>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>>>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine
>>>(machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont
>>>want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go
>>>though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done
>>>this.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>
>
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John A. Wolf

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:53 am
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Bill, thanks for the response. I am pretty sure I get it now.

"Bill Sanderson" <Bill_Sanderson.DeleteThis@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
news:%23U0ZnC%233DHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Ah - but I don't think you do what the original OP posited (see the very
> end of this monologue!
>
> Jeffrey's right (of course!)--and its a good lesson in how the Remote
> Desktop Web connection works.
>
> OK--you've got a machine behind a router, running IIS and serving up RDWC.
> Port 80 in the router is forwarded to that machine. Port 3389 in the
> router is forwarded to that machine.
>
> Behind that machine are a bunch of others.
>
> User from outside points web browser at said machine. OK so far--just
> port 80 involved. Browser pulls back ActiveX control from web server.
> ActiveX control opens communication, via port 3389, to the IP of the
> router. Where does that go? To the same machine as is running IIS, of
> course--where else can it go, given the router configuration.
>
> OK--we can do better--it is possible to build a custom web page with
> separate "buttons" for computer a, b, c. Theres a sample/example for this
> somewhere in remotenetworking's stuff from Alex A (sorry--spelling
> challenged tonight!) Each button is going to specify a separate port:
> 3389 to reach the original web machine, 3390 for machine a, 3391 for b,
> 3392 for c. This can work, if the router is opened for these additional
> ports. It isn't simple to do, though--you have to build the custom web
> page and maintain it, and the router must be configured. If you are
> lucky, you can just configure the router to do 3391 external to 3389
> internal machine b, otherwise you must change the listening port on
> machine b.
>
> Anyway--the whole question was about not opening extra ports, and you
> can't get there that way with multiple sessions to multiple machines, or
> even a single session to multiple machines.
>
> If you want the fewest ports, open a VPN. However, you are limited to a
> single session.
>
> Here's how I read what the article was saying:
>
> You can, via RD Web connection, open an RD connection to the "gateway"
> machine. From that machine, you can open a second RD session to any of
> machine a, b, c.
>
> Yes, this works, but it isn't the same thing as envisioned by the O.P. I
> think.
>
> However-- now that we've got it all laid out, I guess he can decide!
>
> (and FWIW, I do what I describe above--multiple RD sessions, via servers
> every day, and it works very well. I wouldn't want to depend on it for
> end-user access to their own desktops. For that, I much prefer VPN
> connections.)
>
> "John A. Wolf" <jawlaw.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OAR22T93DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Jeffrey, I don't want to disagree with you (especially since you have the
>> MVP and your website is a great resource, which I added to my favorites)
>> but the article I pointed to in my reply indicates he can do what he is
>> trying to do.
>>
>> "You can use this page [the Windows Remote Desktop Web log-in page]to
>> connect to your Windows XP Professional-based workstation, or any other
>> computers on your network that have Remote Desktop installed. Yup. You
>> can use your own Windows XP computer to act as a gateway to other
>> computers on the network that are running Terminal Services (the
>> underlying protocol for Remote Desktop), even though they aren't
>> themselves running the Remote Desktop Web Connection."
>>
>> Did I read that wrong? I do this at work using Windows Server 2003 as
>> the gateway machine, so that might be different, but is sounds like it
>> would work.
>>
>> Thanks and again great web site.
>>
>> ---
>> John A. Wolf
>> jawlaw.DeleteThis@hotmail.com
>>
>> "Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com>
>> wrote in message news:4cmr00dp322tf4i1jarinf0l5du27n0c4g@4ax.com...
>>> Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
>>> connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
>>> Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.
>>>
>>> You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
>>> computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
>>> VPN.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
>>> jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com
>>>
>>> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
>>> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
>>> be answered depending on time availability....
>>>
>>> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
>>> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
>>> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
>>> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
>>> <anonymous.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services
>>>>to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>>>>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall
>>>>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users
>>>>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>>>>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine
>>>>(machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I
>>>>dont want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything
>>>>to go though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has
>>>>done this.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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"Jeffrey Randow

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Another way to think about it - the Web Client is just another version
of the standalone client - it can't do anything more than what the
standard client can do...

That isn't made very clear, though... For consumers (I mean
specifically XP machines), it would be better to just remove the
server name box as it causes additional confusion. The only time you
truly need to fill in the server name is when you want to connect to
someone elses machine.

Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
jeffreyr-support RemoveThis @remotenetworktechnology.com

Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
be answered depending on time availability....

Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:37:20 -0500, "Bill Sanderson"
<Bill_Sanderson RemoveThis @msn.com.plugh.org> wrote:

>Ah - but I don't think you do what the original OP posited (see the very
>end of this monologue!
>
>Jeffrey's right (of course!)--and its a good lesson in how the Remote
>Desktop Web connection works.
>
>OK--you've got a machine behind a router, running IIS and serving up RDWC.
>Port 80 in the router is forwarded to that machine. Port 3389 in the router
>is forwarded to that machine.
>
>Behind that machine are a bunch of others.
>
>User from outside points web browser at said machine. OK so far--just port
>80 involved. Browser pulls back ActiveX control from web server. ActiveX
>control opens communication, via port 3389, to the IP of the router. Where
>does that go? To the same machine as is running IIS, of course--where else
>can it go, given the router configuration.
>
>OK--we can do better--it is possible to build a custom web page with
>separate "buttons" for computer a, b, c. Theres a sample/example for this
>somewhere in remotenetworking's stuff from Alex A (sorry--spelling
>challenged tonight!) Each button is going to specify a separate port: 3389
>to reach the original web machine, 3390 for machine a, 3391 for b, 3392 for
>c. This can work, if the router is opened for these additional ports. It
>isn't simple to do, though--you have to build the custom web page and
>maintain it, and the router must be configured. If you are lucky, you can
>just configure the router to do 3391 external to 3389 internal machine b,
>otherwise you must change the listening port on machine b.
>
>Anyway--the whole question was about not opening extra ports, and you can't
>get there that way with multiple sessions to multiple machines, or even a
>single session to multiple machines.
>
>If you want the fewest ports, open a VPN. However, you are limited to a
>single session.
>
>Here's how I read what the article was saying:
>
>You can, via RD Web connection, open an RD connection to the "gateway"
>machine. From that machine, you can open a second RD session to any of
>machine a, b, c.
>
>Yes, this works, but it isn't the same thing as envisioned by the O.P. I
>think.
>
>However-- now that we've got it all laid out, I guess he can decide!
>
>(and FWIW, I do what I describe above--multiple RD sessions, via servers
>every day, and it works very well. I wouldn't want to depend on it for
>end-user access to their own desktops. For that, I much prefer VPN
>connections.)
>
>"John A. Wolf" <jawlaw RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:OAR22T93DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Jeffrey, I don't want to disagree with you (especially since you have the
>> MVP and your website is a great resource, which I added to my favorites)
>> but the article I pointed to in my reply indicates he can do what he is
>> trying to do.
>>
>> "You can use this page [the Windows Remote Desktop Web log-in page]to
>> connect to your Windows XP Professional-based workstation, or any other
>> computers on your network that have Remote Desktop installed. Yup. You can
>> use your own Windows XP computer to act as a gateway to other computers on
>> the network that are running Terminal Services (the underlying protocol
>> for Remote Desktop), even though they aren't themselves running the Remote
>> Desktop Web Connection."
>>
>> Did I read that wrong? I do this at work using Windows Server 2003 as the
>> gateway machine, so that might be different, but is sounds like it would
>> work.
>>
>> Thanks and again great web site.
>>
>> ---
>> John A. Wolf
>> jawlaw RemoveThis @hotmail.com
>>
>> "Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support RemoveThis @remotenetworktechnology.com>
>> wrote in message news:4cmr00dp322tf4i1jarinf0l5du27n0c4g@4ax.com...
>>> Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
>>> connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
>>> Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.
>>>
>>> You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
>>> computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
>>> VPN.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
>>> jeffreyr-support RemoveThis @remotenetworktechnology.com
>>>
>>> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
>>> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
>>> be answered depending on time availability....
>>>
>>> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
>>> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
>>> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
>>> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
>>> <anonymous RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal Services
>>>>to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>>>>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my firewall
>>>>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which users
>>>>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>>>>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine
>>>>(machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I dont
>>>>want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go
>>>>though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:35 am
Post subject: Re: Using a single Remote Desktop machine as a Proxy [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

That's an interesting idea. It'd make perfect sense to not display that box
unless the client machine displaying the web page was joined to a domain.

I'm not sure that can be detected by the browser, though.

"Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com> wrote
in message news:20bu005rerhkq4gifop9e1o6a9tvtujfch@4ax.com...
> Another way to think about it - the Web Client is just another version
> of the standalone client - it can't do anything more than what the
> standard client can do...
>
> That isn't made very clear, though... For consumers (I mean
> specifically XP machines), it would be better to just remove the
> server name box as it causes additional confusion. The only time you
> truly need to fill in the server name is when you want to connect to
> someone elses machine.
>
> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
> jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com
>
> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
> be answered depending on time availability....
>
> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:37:20 -0500, "Bill Sanderson"
> <Bill_Sanderson.DeleteThis@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote:
>
>>Ah - but I don't think you do what the original OP posited (see the very
>>end of this monologue!
>>
>>Jeffrey's right (of course!)--and its a good lesson in how the Remote
>>Desktop Web connection works.
>>
>>OK--you've got a machine behind a router, running IIS and serving up RDWC.
>>Port 80 in the router is forwarded to that machine. Port 3389 in the
>>router
>>is forwarded to that machine.
>>
>>Behind that machine are a bunch of others.
>>
>>User from outside points web browser at said machine. OK so far--just
>>port
>>80 involved. Browser pulls back ActiveX control from web server. ActiveX
>>control opens communication, via port 3389, to the IP of the router.
>>Where
>>does that go? To the same machine as is running IIS, of course--where
>>else
>>can it go, given the router configuration.
>>
>>OK--we can do better--it is possible to build a custom web page with
>>separate "buttons" for computer a, b, c. Theres a sample/example for this
>>somewhere in remotenetworking's stuff from Alex A (sorry--spelling
>>challenged tonight!) Each button is going to specify a separate port:
>>3389
>>to reach the original web machine, 3390 for machine a, 3391 for b, 3392
>>for
>>c. This can work, if the router is opened for these additional ports. It
>>isn't simple to do, though--you have to build the custom web page and
>>maintain it, and the router must be configured. If you are lucky, you
>>can
>>just configure the router to do 3391 external to 3389 internal machine b,
>>otherwise you must change the listening port on machine b.
>>
>>Anyway--the whole question was about not opening extra ports, and you
>>can't
>>get there that way with multiple sessions to multiple machines, or even a
>>single session to multiple machines.
>>
>>If you want the fewest ports, open a VPN. However, you are limited to a
>>single session.
>>
>>Here's how I read what the article was saying:
>>
>>You can, via RD Web connection, open an RD connection to the "gateway"
>>machine. From that machine, you can open a second RD session to any of
>>machine a, b, c.
>>
>>Yes, this works, but it isn't the same thing as envisioned by the O.P. I
>>think.
>>
>>However-- now that we've got it all laid out, I guess he can decide!
>>
>>(and FWIW, I do what I describe above--multiple RD sessions, via servers
>>every day, and it works very well. I wouldn't want to depend on it for
>>end-user access to their own desktops. For that, I much prefer VPN
>>connections.)
>>
>>"John A. Wolf" <jawlaw.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:OAR22T93DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Jeffrey, I don't want to disagree with you (especially since you have
>>> the
>>> MVP and your website is a great resource, which I added to my favorites)
>>> but the article I pointed to in my reply indicates he can do what he is
>>> trying to do.
>>>
>>> "You can use this page [the Windows Remote Desktop Web log-in page]to
>>> connect to your Windows XP Professional-based workstation, or any other
>>> computers on your network that have Remote Desktop installed. Yup. You
>>> can
>>> use your own Windows XP computer to act as a gateway to other computers
>>> on
>>> the network that are running Terminal Services (the underlying protocol
>>> for Remote Desktop), even though they aren't themselves running the
>>> Remote
>>> Desktop Web Connection."
>>>
>>> Did I read that wrong? I do this at work using Windows Server 2003 as
>>> the
>>> gateway machine, so that might be different, but is sounds like it would
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Thanks and again great web site.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> John A. Wolf
>>> jawlaw.DeleteThis@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> "Jeffrey Randow (MVP)" <jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com>
>>> wrote in message news:4cmr00dp322tf4i1jarinf0l5du27n0c4g@4ax.com...
>>>> Not in the way you describe... You would need to have the user
>>>> connect to machine A via Remote Desktop, then start another Remote
>>>> Desktop session inside of machine A to machine B.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot directly access computer B from over the internet using
>>>> computer A except if you have (1) opened more ports, or (2) set up a
>>>> VPN.
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Randow (Windows Net. & Smart Display MVP)
>>>> jeffreyr-support.DeleteThis@remotenetworktechnology.com
>>>>
>>>> Please post all responses to the newsgroups for the benefit
>>>> of all USENET users. Messages sent via email may or may not
>>>> be answered depending on time availability....
>>>>
>>>> Remote Networking Technology Support Site -
>>>> http://www.remotenetworktechnology.com
>>>> Smart Display Support - http://www.smartdisplays.net
>>>> Windows XP Expert Zone - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:01:09 -0800, "clovedc"
>>>> <anonymous.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I was wondering if it is possible to just open Web and Terminal
>>>>>Services
>>>>>to one machine on my LAN but to be able to Remote desktop into multiple
>>>>>machines. Basically I do not want to have too many holes in my
>>>>>firewall
>>>>>and wanted to just open port 80 and port 3389 on one machine which
>>>>>users
>>>>>would connect to (Machine A). When they get to the Remote Desktop Web
>>>>>Connection screen they could then type in the IP of their machine
>>>>>(machine B) on my LAN and directly connect to it using machine A. I
>>>>>dont
>>>>>want to open port 80 and port 3389 to machine B I want everything to go
>>>>>though Machine A. Hope this makes sence and that someone else has done
>>>>>this.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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