removal of vista boot manager (please help)

Okay, well I think only the OEM can tell you what was originally there
but the Vistaboot pro forums might help, it sounds like the options were
in the original bootblocks not the BIOS since if you had deleted the
BIOS I think you'd know, and have a nice paperweight on the desk.

It may be possible for you yo find someone with an identical machine and
copy their bootblock since Vistaboot pro can do this, but that sounds
like a heck of a lot of trouble and if anybody knows how to do it they
just might be the people to ask.

Steven Wabik wrote:
> i'm not trying to repair vista. i wanted to remove vista in which it did,
> but then it removed something else instead in which it should not have.
> should i still contact them about it.
>
> after vista was removed, the OEM recovery options in the BIOS disapeared.
> help me restore the OEM restore options to the BIOS, if you have any idea of
> course.
>
> "Chris H" <VistaMobilePC DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9174A445-52DE-4511-B9EC-ED1BCA77B982@microsoft.com...
>> Contact the support section of the vistabootpro v3.3 and ask them how to
>> repair the situation. If you use a third-party application to "fix"
>> something and it breaks it instead, they are the ones responsible.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> http://forums.mobilepcworld.net
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45 DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:udwxZc9LIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> i used vistabootpro v3.3 to remove the vista bootmanager which i guess
>>> failed. then i just deleted the partition that had vista on it. i was
>>> running a dual boot with XP and Vista. after i deleted the vista partition
>>> i extented the XP partition. after vista was all gone the OEM recovery
>>> options in the BIOS were gone, but the recovery partition was ok at least.
>>> i already made my XP recovery DVDs from when i first got my tablet PC
>>> before HP sent me the vista OEM CDs for the tablet.
>>>
>>> i just want to know if anyone has any ideas of how to fix the BIOS boot
>>> manager that lets you access the OEM recovery manager.
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie DeleteThis @tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eAJG1S9LIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Steven Wabik wrote:
>>>>> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i
>>>>> ran into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot
>>>>> manager giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me
>>>>> after the removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the
>>>>> removal of vista and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my
>>>>> laptop had aditional options that appeared after the main BIOS slash
>>>>> screen. these options were for recovery options and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is
>>>>> needed to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the
>>>>> hard drive. there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>>>>
>>>> How exactly did you remove Vista?
>>>>
>>>> If there's a restore partition then it's an OEM install and MS offer no
>>>> support but the maker should be able to supply recovery media. If you
>>>> don;t want to put Vista back then those options are no good to you
>>>> anyway, what you planning to run on the machine?
>>>
>
>

Virtual PC 7 with Intel VT enabled in BIOS and sufficient RAM gives me a
very speedy VM that appears to run at nearly full speed. But I know
virtualization isn't 2 machines. That wasn't my point. My point was using
virtualization to deal with the few cases where the new OS (in this case
Vista) is incompatible with older software. For most things, virtualization
isn't necessary. Dual boot is overkill. It's why more people prefer
Parallels on the Mac than Bootcamp.

But either way, dual booting in Windows (and most other OS's) isn't designed
to be as much of a no brainer as Bootcamp. It requires some knowledge (or
luck) about what is going on. While virtualization isn't always a piece of
cake either, it's alot less risky.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com


"the wharf rat" <wrat RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote in message
news:fic0so$9d5$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In article <11DEA2DD-535F-48E8-BF49-F3956AB00C25 RemoveThis @microsoft.com>,
> Josh Einstein <josh RemoveThis @einsteintech.net> wrote:
>>How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
>>virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary.
>
> He may not have the horsepower. Virtualization doesn't give you
> 2 machines you know...
>

Are you referring to the BIOS configuration (usually F10)? That doesn't have
anything to do with being a boot manager and nothing Windows can do would
change the behavior of that.

If you're referring to things like safe mode, last known good configuration,
boot logging options, etc. Those things have nothing to do with BIOS and are
controlled by boot.ini on XP. Vista has its own boot configuration settings
that don't use boot.ini.

I think maybe it's time to just delete all the partitions and start over
with a fresh install of XP.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com


"Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OCVfGF9LIHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i
> ran into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot
> manager giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>
> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after
> the removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of
> vista and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had
> aditional options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these
> options were for recovery options and stuff.
>
> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is needed
> to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the hard
> drive. there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>

Can I ask why you selectively quoted part of my sentence in order to make it
appear as though I was telling him what to do?

And the reason that the OS modifies the MBR is because 99.9999% of the time
(no that's not a factual number, just making a point) people are *not* dual
booting and by overwriting the MBR and installing its boot loader it can fix
messed up situations like this one for the more common case where someone is
just trying to get one OS to boot correctly.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com


"Anteaus" <Anteaus.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:56B9126B-0190-4308-B463-EE66BA7F5735@microsoft.com...
> "Josh Einstein" wrote:
>
>> ...don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like
>> "knowing
>> Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who tinkered
>> the system into its current state.
>>
>
> In this instance I'd beg to differ. For no good reason (other than perhaps
> to actively prevent coexistence with other OS's, or to prevent its
> transfer
> by disk-imaging...? ) Vista modifies the MBR in a special way. Here the
> problem is clearly that of the Microsoft OS deliberately playing the
> "Neighbor from Hell" on a shared PC.
>
> There is no reason for any OS to modify the MBR, in fact the MBR is not
> part
> of the disk partition as such. Some bootloaders install into the MBR, but
> then that is part of their proper function as means to boot from ultiple
> partitions. The OS itself should not touch it.
>
>
>

oh by the way, the BOIS in older machines and in some newer machines can be
reinstalled via floppy.

the computer i have has a BIOS with a sub-level on it for boot and recovery
managemant. there was something in the computers documentation about where
this can be deleted, if the recovey partition was deleted but the recovery
partition still exists.

"Charlie Tame" <charlie.DeleteThis@tames.net> wrote in message
news:eHMX9Q%23LIHA.820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Okay, well I think only the OEM can tell you what was originally there but
> the Vistaboot pro forums might help, it sounds like the options were in
> the original bootblocks not the BIOS since if you had deleted the BIOS I
> think you'd know, and have a nice paperweight on the desk.
>
> It may be possible for you yo find someone with an identical machine and
> copy their bootblock since Vistaboot pro can do this, but that sounds like
> a heck of a lot of trouble and if anybody knows how to do it they just
> might be the people to ask.
>
> Steven Wabik wrote:
>> i'm not trying to repair vista. i wanted to remove vista in which it did,
>> but then it removed something else instead in which it should not have.
>> should i still contact them about it.
>>
>> after vista was removed, the OEM recovery options in the BIOS disapeared.
>> help me restore the OEM restore options to the BIOS, if you have any idea
>> of course.
>>
>> "Chris H" <VistaMobilePC.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9174A445-52DE-4511-B9EC-ED1BCA77B982@microsoft.com...
>>> Contact the support section of the vistabootpro v3.3 and ask them how to
>>> repair the situation. If you use a third-party application to "fix"
>>> something and it breaks it instead, they are the ones responsible.
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> http://forums.mobilepcworld.net
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:udwxZc9LIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> i used vistabootpro v3.3 to remove the vista bootmanager which i guess
>>>> failed. then i just deleted the partition that had vista on it. i was
>>>> running a dual boot with XP and Vista. after i deleted the vista
>>>> partition i extented the XP partition. after vista was all gone the OEM
>>>> recovery options in the BIOS were gone, but the recovery partition was
>>>> ok at least. i already made my XP recovery DVDs from when i first got
>>>> my tablet PC before HP sent me the vista OEM CDs for the tablet.
>>>>
>>>> i just want to know if anyone has any ideas of how to fix the BIOS boot
>>>> manager that lets you access the OEM recovery manager.
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie.DeleteThis@tames.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eAJG1S9LIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Steven Wabik wrote:
>>>>>> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager,
>>>>>> i ran into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a
>>>>>> boot manager giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me
>>>>>> after the removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the
>>>>>> removal of vista and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my
>>>>>> laptop had aditional options that appeared after the main BIOS slash
>>>>>> screen. these options were for recovery options and stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is
>>>>>> needed to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on
>>>>>> the hard drive. there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> How exactly did you remove Vista?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's a restore partition then it's an OEM install and MS offer
>>>>> no support but the maker should be able to supply recovery media. If
>>>>> you don;t want to put Vista back then those options are no good to you
>>>>> anyway, what you planning to run on the machine?
>>>>
>>

no i am not. after the main BIOS slash screen comes up and disapears with
the F9 and F10 come up and disapear another screen comes up with more boot
options and stuff. well it used to. it disapeared after vista was removed
from my system. this boot screen was apart of the BIOS. it gave F11, F12,
and F13 options.

it also allowed me to boot from floppy, CD, DVD, and external hard drives.
even though the F11, F12, and F13 options are gone i can still boot from the
floppy drives and stuff when they are attached to my tablet PC.

"Josh Einstein" <josh RemoveThis @einsteintech.net> wrote in message
news:56FADD0D-D626-4BF6-A666-B3526FF8756F@microsoft.com...
> Are you referring to the BIOS configuration (usually F10)? That doesn't
> have anything to do with being a boot manager and nothing Windows can do
> would change the behavior of that.
>
> If you're referring to things like safe mode, last known good
> configuration, boot logging options, etc. Those things have nothing to do
> with BIOS and are controlled by boot.ini on XP. Vista has its own boot
> configuration settings that don't use boot.ini.
>
> I think maybe it's time to just delete all the partitions and start over
> with a fresh install of XP.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
> Einstein Technologies
> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>
>
> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45 RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:OCVfGF9LIHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i
>> ran into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot
>> manager giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>>
>> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after
>> the removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of
>> vista and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had
>> aditional options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these
>> options were for recovery options and stuff.
>>
>> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is
>> needed to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the
>> hard drive. there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>>
>

vista does does seem to mess up everything.

"Josh Einstein" <josh RemoveThis @einsteintech.net> wrote in message
news:6DE7953D-B7FC-4F15-8E87-30F9727CFCF0@microsoft.com...
> Can I ask why you selectively quoted part of my sentence in order to make
> it appear as though I was telling him what to do?
>
> And the reason that the OS modifies the MBR is because 99.9999% of the
> time (no that's not a factual number, just making a point) people are
> *not* dual booting and by overwriting the MBR and installing its boot
> loader it can fix messed up situations like this one for the more common
> case where someone is just trying to get one OS to boot correctly.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
> Einstein Technologies
> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>
>
> "Anteaus" <Anteaus RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:56B9126B-0190-4308-B463-EE66BA7F5735@microsoft.com...
>> "Josh Einstein" wrote:
>>
>>> ...don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like
>>> "knowing
>>> Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who
>>> tinkered
>>> the system into its current state.
>>>
>>
>> In this instance I'd beg to differ. For no good reason (other than
>> perhaps
>> to actively prevent coexistence with other OS's, or to prevent its
>> transfer
>> by disk-imaging...? ) Vista modifies the MBR in a special way. Here the
>> problem is clearly that of the Microsoft OS deliberately playing the
>> "Neighbor from Hell" on a shared PC.
>>
>> There is no reason for any OS to modify the MBR, in fact the MBR is not
>> part
>> of the disk partition as such. Some bootloaders install into the MBR, but
>> then that is part of their proper function as means to boot from ultiple
>> partitions. The OS itself should not touch it.
>>
>>
>>
>

> vista does does seem to mess up everything.

No, you seem to mess up everything.

Both of the issues you posted about recently (one of them was in XP) had to
do with you messing up your system by changing settings or doing advanced
things that you don't understand. Go mess around at the command prompt on
Mac or Linux and you'll see that you can mess up any OS if you play around
with settings and configurations blindly. But that's why Microsoft put
system restore into the OS. So that when people do stuff like that, you can
roll back. The catch here though is that you can't mess things up to the
point that you can't boot the computer.

But even that you can fix with the bootable Vista DVD.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com

"Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:elAhysJMIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> vista does does seem to mess up everything.
>
> "Josh Einstein" <josh.DeleteThis@einsteintech.net> wrote in message
> news:6DE7953D-B7FC-4F15-8E87-30F9727CFCF0@microsoft.com...
>> Can I ask why you selectively quoted part of my sentence in order to make
>> it appear as though I was telling him what to do?
>>
>> And the reason that the OS modifies the MBR is because 99.9999% of the
>> time (no that's not a factual number, just making a point) people are
>> *not* dual booting and by overwriting the MBR and installing its boot
>> loader it can fix messed up situations like this one for the more common
>> case where someone is just trying to get one OS to boot correctly.
>>
>> --
>> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
>> Einstein Technologies
>> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>>
>>
>> "Anteaus" <Anteaus.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:56B9126B-0190-4308-B463-EE66BA7F5735@microsoft.com...
>>> "Josh Einstein" wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like
>>>> "knowing
>>>> Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who
>>>> tinkered
>>>> the system into its current state.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In this instance I'd beg to differ. For no good reason (other than
>>> perhaps
>>> to actively prevent coexistence with other OS's, or to prevent its
>>> transfer
>>> by disk-imaging...? ) Vista modifies the MBR in a special way. Here the
>>> problem is clearly that of the Microsoft OS deliberately playing the
>>> "Neighbor from Hell" on a shared PC.
>>>
>>> There is no reason for any OS to modify the MBR, in fact the MBR is not
>>> part
>>> of the disk partition as such. Some bootloaders install into the MBR,
>>> but
>>> then that is part of their proper function as means to boot from ultiple
>>> partitions. The OS itself should not touch it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

philo wrote:
> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:%23%23NTS$tLIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> i just hope someone can help me with this damn issue.
>>
>> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC
> edition
>> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>>
>> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
>> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it
> seems
>> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>>
>> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
>> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
>> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
>> bootloader.
>>
>> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any
> ideas
>> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>>
>>
>
>
> Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing the
> command : fixboot
>
>
I did this with a fixboot when dual-booting a Win and Linux box. It did
not work. I had to run the command fixmbr from the repair console.

The rest remains the same.