Windows 7 email program?

One can also do this now in Vista. The major pre-requisite is a valid copy
of XP.

http://www.oehelp.com/captureV.jpg

steve

"Steve Cochran" <scochran.DeleteThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:OZLXB6yTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
> Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC window
> is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window open to
> this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or - on the
> display, so I don't know what you are referring to.
>
> If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open that
> folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files from
> WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will then
> be incorporated into the OE folder.
>
> steve
>
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message
> news:Ot2rYUuTKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-"
>> on the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am
>> extremely confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out
>> of luck, because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@*
>> Microsoft!) and back to Outlook Express.
>> Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul
>>
>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.DeleteThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
>>> What I was trying to show was this:
>>>
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>>>
>>> <G>
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> "aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>>>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>>>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options
>>>> to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>>>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>>>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.DeleteThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>>>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>>>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>>>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities
>>>> of
>>>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>>>> There
>>>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>>>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>>>> challenging.
>>>> <g>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping
>>>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ......
>>>>> WLM in
>>>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for
>>>>> the
>>>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but
>>>>> able to
>>>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>>>> course ... lol
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>>>> Mail ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.DeleteThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks Steve <s>
Ann

"Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message news:%23nctJ3yTKHA.5552@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I'll be providing directions on my website soon. I'm working out the
details.

steve

"aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:OpIKG6uTKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Have been looking at windows 7 inf etc and see that depending on the
> version of windows 7 installed it comes with windows virtual
> and XP mode .. it's referring to installing older programs but I assume it
> would be the same as in your screenshot and we would be
> able to access OE from it too .. smile
> Ann
>
> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eFVFFHuTKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Many thanks Steve <g> .... I can see how the virtual environment works now
> and does not appear too complicated, but when I look at
> the homepage at what is involved in setting it all up I can't in all
> honesty see many able to get the ISO's etc and being able to
> set it up .... though I suppose if getting a new computer that could be
> done by a tech guy .... anyhow like a squirrel am saving all
> and everything and hoping that something else will come up in the near
> future .. smile
> Ann
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
> What I was trying to show was this:
>
> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>
> <G>
>
> steve
>
> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options to
>> try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities
>> of
>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>> There
>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>> challenging.
>> <g>
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping
>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ...... WLM
>>> in
>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for the
>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but able
>>> to
>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>> course ... lol
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>
>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>> ...
>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>> Mail ???
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee RemoveThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>
>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Steve, that would be terrific - especially if I could drag a folder that had
sub-folders in it, and have it retain the structure. And if I could then
run OE on my W7 machine.

But how can I run Outlook Express on that same machine that has Windows
Mail, to accomplish the dragging? How would I install OE on my Vista
machine? Or Windows Mail on my XP Pro machine?

Actually, If I can make Windows Mail run with W7 without the problems some
folks have mentioned, I'd be content, and avoid any conversion problems.

Thursday is gonna be exciting!

Thanks,
Paul

"Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:OZLXB6yTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
> Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC window
> is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window open to
> this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or - on the
> display, so I don't know what you are referring to.
>
> If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open that
> folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files from
> WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will then
> be incorporated into the OE folder.
>
> steve
>
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
> news:Ot2rYUuTKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-"
>> on the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am
>> extremely confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out
>> of luck, because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@*
>> Microsoft!) and back to Outlook Express.
>> Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul
>>
>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
>>> What I was trying to show was this:
>>>
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>>>
>>> <G>
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> "aussieann" <ann DeleteThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>>>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>>>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options
>>>> to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>>>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>>>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>>>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>>>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>>>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities
>>>> of
>>>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>>>> There
>>>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>>>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>>>> challenging.
>>>> <g>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "aussieann" <ann DeleteThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping
>>>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ......
>>>>> WLM in
>>>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for
>>>>> the
>>>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but
>>>>> able to
>>>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>>>> course ... lol
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "aussieann" <ann DeleteThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>>>> Mail ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee DeleteThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Be patient. Steve will post the details when he's ready.
Basically it will involve installing a spare copy of Windows XP
in the Microsoft Virtual PC program which you first install in
Windows 7. Then you can install OE.
I think the big hangup is that you must have a spare non-OEM
copy of Windows XP.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message news:O6MWCP5TKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Steve, that would be terrific - especially if I could drag a folder that had
> sub-folders in it, and have it retain the structure. And if I could then
> run OE on my W7 machine.
>
> But how can I run Outlook Express on that same machine that has Windows
> Mail, to accomplish the dragging? How would I install OE on my Vista
> machine? Or Windows Mail on my XP Pro machine?
>
> Actually, If I can make Windows Mail run with W7 without the problems some
> folks have mentioned, I'd be content, and avoid any conversion problems.
>
> Thursday is gonna be exciting!
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:OZLXB6yTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
>> Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC window
>> is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window open to
>> this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or - on the
>> display, so I don't know what you are referring to.
>>
>> If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open that
>> folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files from
>> WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will then
>> be incorporated into the OE folder.
>>
>> steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ot2rYUuTKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-"
>>> on the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am
>>> extremely confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out
>>> of luck, because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@*
>>> Microsoft!) and back to Outlook Express.
>>> Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
>>>> What I was trying to show was this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> <G>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>>>>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>>>>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options
>>>>> to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>>>>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>>>>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>>>>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>>>>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>>>>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities
>>>>> of
>>>>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>>>>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>>>>> challenging.
>>>>> <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> steve
>>>>>
>>>>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping
>>>>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>>>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( .......
>>>>>> WLM in
>>>>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>>>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>>>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>>>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>>>>> course ... lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>>>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>>>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>>>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>>>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>>>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>>>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>>>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>>>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>>>>> Mail ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee RemoveThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

The trick is having a valid product key. The XP install is not that big a
deal.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:ejElwl5TKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Be patient. Steve will post the details when he's ready.
Basically it will involve installing a spare copy of Windows XP
in the Microsoft Virtual PC program which you first install in
Windows 7. Then you can install OE.
I think the big hangup is that you must have a spare non-OEM
copy of Windows XP.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
news:O6MWCP5TKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Steve, that would be terrific - especially if I could drag a folder that
> had
> sub-folders in it, and have it retain the structure. And if I could then
> run OE on my W7 machine.
>
> But how can I run Outlook Express on that same machine that has Windows
> Mail, to accomplish the dragging? How would I install OE on my Vista
> machine? Or Windows Mail on my XP Pro machine?
>
> Actually, If I can make Windows Mail run with W7 without the problems some
> folks have mentioned, I'd be content, and avoid any conversion problems.
>
> Thursday is gonna be exciting!
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.RemoveThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:OZLXB6yTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
>> Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC
>> window
>> is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window open to
>> this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or - on the
>> display, so I don't know what you are referring to.
>>
>> If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open
>> that
>> folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files from
>> WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will then
>> be incorporated into the OE folder.
>>
>> steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ot2rYUuTKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-"
>>> on the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am
>>> extremely confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out
>>> of luck, because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@*
>>> Microsoft!) and back to Outlook Express.
>>> Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.RemoveThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
>>>> What I was trying to show was this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> <G>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "aussieann" <ann.RemoveThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>>>>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>>>>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options
>>>>> to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>>>>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>>>>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.RemoveThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>>>>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>>>>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>>>>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware
>>>>> capabilities
>>>>> of
>>>>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>>>>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>>>>> challenging.
>>>>> <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> steve
>>>>>
>>>>> "aussieann" <ann.RemoveThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was
>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>>>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ......
>>>>>> WLM in
>>>>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>>>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>>>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>>>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>>>>> course ... lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>>>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>>>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>>>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>>>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>>>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>>>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>>>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>>>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aussieann" <ann.RemoveThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>>>>> Mail ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.RemoveThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

You have to install Virtual PC and then a running copy of XP in that window.
Then you have what is similar to picture in a picture with a TV. You would
have a running copy of XP in a separate window like any other Windows window
and you can run OE from that instance of XP in Win7 (or in Vista). To move
the files back and forth you can drag eml files or use the File | Import
techniques.

steve

"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote in message
news:O6MWCP5TKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Steve, that would be terrific - especially if I could drag a folder that
> had sub-folders in it, and have it retain the structure. And if I could
> then run OE on my W7 machine.
>
> But how can I run Outlook Express on that same machine that has Windows
> Mail, to accomplish the dragging? How would I install OE on my Vista
> machine? Or Windows Mail on my XP Pro machine?
>
> Actually, If I can make Windows Mail run with W7 without the problems some
> folks have mentioned, I'd be content, and avoid any conversion problems.
>
> Thursday is gonna be exciting!
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.TakeThisOut@oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:OZLXB6yTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The image shows a screen shot of a Windows 7 Desktop. On the Desktop are
>> Control Panel, IE and Microsoft Virtual PC Windows. Within the VPC
>> window is an instance of Windows XP and on that Desktop is an OE Window
>> open to this NG and a message composition window. I don't see any + or -
>> on the display, so I don't know what you are referring to.
>>
>> If you want you mail back to OE, just create a new folder in OE, open
>> that folder to show its empty message list, and then drag the eml files
>> from WinMail overtop the OE folder message list and drop them. They will
>> then be incorporated into the OE folder.
>>
>> steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ot2rYUuTKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Huh? What does the link you provided demonstrate? Strange "+" and "-"
>>> on the display, and what they cause. OEX is in the background. I am
>>> extremely confused. If this is not using Windows Mail under W7, I'm out
>>> of luck, because I can't get my mail back out of Windows mail (#&^@*
>>> Microsoft!) and back to Outlook Express.
>>> Steve, I appreciate your help, and wish I understood it. Paul
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.TakeThisOut@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:402554E2-9094-432F-97CE-9D3EA2AAAAFC@microsoft.com...
>>>> What I was trying to show was this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> <G>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "aussieann" <ann.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u88ZGbATKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in
>>>>> time that will not be an option as more people need to
>>>>> purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options
>>>>> to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
>>>>> .... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more
>>>>> avenues to explore and save info on )
>>>>>
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.TakeThisOut@oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
>>>>> alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
>>>>> alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
>>>>> machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware
>>>>> capabilities of
>>>>> the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
>>>>> copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more
>>>>> challenging.
>>>>> <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> steve
>>>>>
>>>>> "aussieann" <ann.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was
>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
>>>>>> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ......
>>>>>> WLM in
>>>>>> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
>>>>>> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
>>>>>> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
>>>>>> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
>>>>>> course ... lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>>>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>>>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>>>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>>>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>>>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>>>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>>>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>>>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "aussieann" <ann.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>>>>> Mail ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.TakeThisOut@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320 gb
vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium to
W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.

I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.


I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will be
> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
> Mail ???
>
> Ann
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.DeleteThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>> work well under Windows 7."
>>
>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>
>

This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5..html

By the way, I always read all the threads here.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320 gb
> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium to
> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ....
>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will be
>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee RemoveThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
"The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft? No
W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html

By the way, I always read all the threads here.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
> gb
> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
> to
> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>> be
>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee RemoveThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
help site is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

and some forums here:

http://windows7forums.com/
http://www.sevenforums.com/

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft? No
> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5..html
>
> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message
> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>> gb
>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>> to
>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>
>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ....
>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>> be
>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>> Mail ???
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.DeleteThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>
>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Gary, I used the link you gave to me. Microsoft has escalated my problem
twice, and the current guy has spent hours taking over my screen and trying
things. I hope he will give up soon and escalate my problem to someone in
Seattle. Is there a way I can make that happen?

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:OQorl15UKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
help site is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

and some forums here:

http://windows7forums.com/
http://www.sevenforums.com/

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft?
> No
> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to
> something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working
> Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html
>
> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>> gb
>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>> to
>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find
>> the
>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>
>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "aussieann" <ann DeleteThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>> be
>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>> Mail ???
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee DeleteThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>
>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Not sure which one of the three links you mean.

I don't know of any way to get escalated support from Microsoft.

Be sure to post your issue to the two forums I gave you. Some user
may have resolved that issue already.
Also, here is a third help forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windows7

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message news:egiU%23nMVKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Gary, I used the link you gave to me. Microsoft has escalated my problem
> twice, and the current guy has spent hours taking over my screen and trying
> things. I hope he will give up soon and escalate my problem to someone in
> Seattle. Is there a way I can make that happen?
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OQorl15UKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
> since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
> help site is here:
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help
>
> and some forums here:
>
> http://windows7forums.com/
> http://www.sevenforums.com/
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
> news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
>> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
>> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
>> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
>> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
>> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
>> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
>> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
>> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
>> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
>> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft?
>> No
>> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> This procedure worked for me:
>> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to
>> something
>> else.
>> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working
>> Vista
>> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
>> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>>
>> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
>> registry fixes mentioned here:
>> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5..html
>>
>> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>>> gb
>>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>>> to
>>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find
>>> the
>>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>
>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "aussieann" <ann RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>>> be
>>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>> Mail ???
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee RemoveThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>
>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Gary,

I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will work
properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.

Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
messages in various folders, etc.

Can you point me to the hack?

Thanks,

Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
and in Vista they are both fully functional.

Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
previously mentioned.
Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
and I am using it in that fashion right now.
Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee.RemoveThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
> above, you said:
>
> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>
> Then today, October 12, you say:
>
> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
> in
> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
> client."
>
> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>
> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
> click NO."
>
> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
> MLM.
>
> Thanks.
>