Windows 7 email program?

The option I like the best is not updating to Win7 ... lol .... but in time that will not be an option as more people need to
purchase new 'puters, so I guess we need to look at all other options to try and ensure the future of this extremely popular hobby
..... many thanks for the info re that and also Winmail Steve .. more avenues to explore and save info on )

Ann


"Steve Cochran" <scochran.DeleteThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:ujgolJ$SKHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I'm still working on things in the background trying to come up with
alternatives for the stationery users as well as others. There are
alternatives, such as using XP in an virtual environment on the Win7
machines ("XP Mode" or just XP depending upon the hardware capabilities of
the machine), as well as other options, such as not updating to Win7. There
is also the potential to get Winmail working on a Win7 machine without
copying any files over from other OSs, but that is a bit more challenging.
<g>

steve

"aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping
> that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ...... WLM in
> it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for the
> thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but able to
> send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the only
> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of
> course ... lol
>
> Ann
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann.DeleteThis@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>> be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.DeleteThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Unfortunately people tend to be very apathetic until all of a sudden they find they can no longer continue the hobby they have been
doing for many years, and was supported by MS way back when it started to evolve so I understand .... I guess progress always
overlooks some section of the community and only time will tell if the hobby survives

Ann


"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:eDf8257SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
You're very welcome, Ann.
I'm not into stationery or editing HTML source code, and I guess
MS feels not enough of its users are, otherwise they'd make it
more of a priority.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"aussieann" <ann.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:%23JIoXc6SKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Many thanks for your reply ... I was aware of that hack but was hoping that it wouldn't be necessary, and I sincerely hope that
> future upgrades do 'not' make WM even less compatible :- ((( ...... WLM in it's present state is not HTML scripted stationery user
> friendly and to upgrade solely to that program is not an option for the thousands of people in the stationery world ... to be able
> to use it in conjunction with WM .... using WLM as the default but able to send the HTML scripted stationery by WinMail is the
> only
> option we can see at the moment ... other than having 2 computers of course ... lol
>
> Ann
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ... does that mean that when a new computer is purchased
>> with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will be available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.TakeThisOut@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.TakeThisOut@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
and in Vista they are both fully functional.

Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
previously mentioned.
Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
and I am using it in that fashion right now.
Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee.DeleteThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
> above, you said:
>
> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>
> Then today, October 12, you say:
>
> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
> in
> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
> client."
>
> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>
> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
> click NO."
>
> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
> MLM.
>
> Thanks.
>

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.DeleteThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:

"Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
links don't work."

By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
others)?

What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
7?

Thanks.

MailTo links are typically found on a web page.
One example is Craigslist listings. When clicking on such a
link to contact the person who placed the ad, the browser sends
the request to the OS, which then opens the default email program,
starts a new email message and it fills in the 'To' address and often
the Subject line also.

A related function that won't work in Windows Mail on Win7 is the
Mail button in any other program, including Internet Explorer.
Likewise, when using Windows Live Photo Gallery, the Email button
on its toolbar won't call up Windows Mail.

A savvy person who is determined to use WM on Win7 can use the
appropriate manual workarounds, but the average user will become
frustrated.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee DeleteThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message news:OIq7BmDTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>
> "Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
> far as
> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
> average
> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
> links don't work."
>
> By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
> inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
> others)?
>
> What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
> 7?
>
> Thanks.
>

Which is unfortunate; that is, that languages such as Fortran, COBOL and
Pascal got less support in the DOS and Windows (PC) environments. Even C/C++
got less support than it could have. Microsoft is as successful as it is due
to DOS and Basic ... oh let's see, wasn't it Basic that came first for the
PC? The Basic that Microsoft provided for the PC was proprietary and they
have favored it because it is proprietary; Basic was never favored by
computer language specialists. Pascal was explicitly designed to be a
superior replacement for Basic, designed to be a real language. Basic was
originally designed for only educational purposes.

So yes, Basic was often the only choice, even for those of us that wanted
something better, and it is unfortunate that Basic was the only choice when
it was.


"Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:uD4rkG$SKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Fortran was abandoned by MS for the PC, so I used compiled BASIC for many
> of my scientific programs back in the 80's and 90's. It was the most
> viable option for the PC. Then MS abandoned that for Windows and its
> subsequent languages, of which Fortran is not included.
>
> steve
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:u3NbVRrSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
> In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:uNXFdFnSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
>> once a week in Community College.
>> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David
>> A.
>> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>>
>> t-4-2
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>> news:e4R7flmSKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on.
>>> I've
>>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my mail
>>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like
>>> to
>>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they
>>> are
>>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that I
>>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000
>>> mails,
>>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify me
>>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll
>>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then
>>> convert
>>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them.
>>> Since
>>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to
>>> convert
>>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
>>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I
>>> should
>>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football),
>>> reading
>>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>>> now.
>>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express
>>> way
>>> of doing things!
>>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see immediately
>>> after clicking "Send"!
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:OiOYd7iSKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
>>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have to
>>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>>> client, WLM.
>>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different
>>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be downloaded
>>>> to their respective accounts.
>>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of organizing
>>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail (
>>>> WLM )
>>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>>
>>>> t-4-2
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eguxbliSKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started
>>>>> using
>>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do
>>>>> not
>>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have
>>>>> my
>>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of
>>>>> the
>>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23j%23GjqcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
>>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
>>>>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days?
>>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>

As Gray has explained, he is using the term in a general sense. There is
also a "mailto URL scheme" (sometimes called a mailto protocol) that is an
internet standard; see:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2368.txt

The mailto protocol is useful since it allows things such as a message's
subject and even a small body for a message. There are many things that the
mailto protocol does not do; it is intended only for simple messages. Two
things it won't do within the mailto link is create messages with medium to
large size bodies and or (for security reasons) allow specification of the
sender. The mailto protocol of course does not provide a mechanism to
specify what program to use to send a message so of course Windows must use
the default email program.



"CWLee" <cdubyalee.RemoveThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:OIq7BmDTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>
> "Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work."
>
> By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be inserted in
> outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to others)?
>
> What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows 7?
>
> Thanks.
>

Basic was used in colleges - that was my first exposure to it, but even that
was run on the school's mainframes. In the workforce in the mid-80's (a
large commercial bank), we first introduced PC technology to the mainframe
COBOL developers, starting with IBM-XT's, then IBM-AT's (running "plain" DOS
on dual floppy drives). The Microsoft / Windows proprietary was simply
called "MS-DOS". However, we were IBM junkies and went the PS/2 route
running OS/2 1.0 the minute they came out. We quickly found products being
developed that emulated mainframe COBOL and JCL, that ran on the PC and cut
mainframe CPU costs for application development. Oh, the days . . . . . .

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis RemoveThis @SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
news:ukCU$wDTKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Which is unfortunate; that is, that languages such as Fortran, COBOL and
> Pascal got less support in the DOS and Windows (PC) environments. Even
> C/C++ got less support than it could have. Microsoft is as successful as
> it is due to DOS and Basic ... oh let's see, wasn't it Basic that came
> first for the PC? The Basic that Microsoft provided for the PC was
> proprietary and they have favored it because it is proprietary; Basic was
> never favored by computer language specialists. Pascal was explicitly
> designed to be a superior replacement for Basic, designed to be a real
> language. Basic was originally designed for only educational purposes.
>
> So yes, Basic was often the only choice, even for those of us that wanted
> something better, and it is unfortunate that Basic was the only choice
> when it was.
>
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:uD4rkG$SKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Fortran was abandoned by MS for the PC, so I used compiled BASIC for many
>> of my scientific programs back in the 80's and 90's. It was the most
>> viable option for the PC. Then MS abandoned that for Windows and its
>> subsequent languages, of which Fortran is not included.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:u3NbVRrSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
>> In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>> news:uNXFdFnSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
>>> once a week in Community College.
>>> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David
>>> A.
>>> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>>>
>>> t-4-2
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e4R7flmSKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>>>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>>>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>>>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on.
>>>> I've
>>>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>>>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my
>>>> mail
>>>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like
>>>> to
>>>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>>>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they
>>>> are
>>>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that I
>>>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000
>>>> mails,
>>>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify me
>>>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>>>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>>>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll
>>>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then
>>>> convert
>>>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them.
>>>> Since
>>>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to
>>>> convert
>>>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
>>>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I
>>>> should
>>>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>>>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football),
>>>> reading
>>>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>>>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>>>> now.
>>>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express
>>>> way
>>>> of doing things!
>>>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see
>>>> immediately
>>>> after clicking "Send"!
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:OiOYd7iSKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
>>>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have
>>>>> to
>>>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>>>> client, WLM.
>>>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different
>>>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be
>>>>> downloaded
>>>>> to their respective accounts.
>>>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of
>>>>> organizing
>>>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail (
>>>>> WLM )
>>>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>>>
>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eguxbliSKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23j%23GjqcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible
>>>>>>>> alternative,
>>>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
>>>>>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few
>>>>>>>>>> days?
>>>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

And even before that, I was one of a few chosen to evaluate a RISC processor
370 emulator that ran in an AT box that ran VM.

It is a shame that OS/2 was not more successful, but that is getting further
off-topic. Many of the young people probably think that things such as HTML
and email was invented by the internet and multitasking operating systems
started with NT but we know the truth.

I think this thread got off-topic on the subject of the registry. I think
people might get frustrated with off-topic discussion. Relative to the
registry, though, we know there has been many changes with computers and a
lot to learn over the years. Software companies such as Microsoft and
computer specialists such as us must proceed forward but we often would
prefer to continue using the technology that has been successful in the
past.


"slk759" <slk759 RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uaERK4ETKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Basic was used in colleges - that was my first exposure to it, but even
> that was run on the school's mainframes. In the workforce in the mid-80's
> (a large commercial bank), we first introduced PC technology to the
> mainframe COBOL developers, starting with IBM-XT's, then IBM-AT's (running
> "plain" DOS on dual floppy drives). The Microsoft / Windows proprietary
> was simply called "MS-DOS". However, we were IBM junkies and went the
> PS/2 route running OS/2 1.0 the minute they came out. We quickly found
> products being developed that emulated mainframe COBOL and JCL, that ran
> on the PC and cut mainframe CPU costs for application development. Oh,
> the days . . . . . .
>
> "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis RemoveThis @SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
> news:ukCU$wDTKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Which is unfortunate; that is, that languages such as Fortran, COBOL and
>> Pascal got less support in the DOS and Windows (PC) environments. Even
>> C/C++ got less support than it could have. Microsoft is as successful as
>> it is due to DOS and Basic ... oh let's see, wasn't it Basic that came
>> first for the PC? The Basic that Microsoft provided for the PC was
>> proprietary and they have favored it because it is proprietary; Basic was
>> never favored by computer language specialists. Pascal was explicitly
>> designed to be a superior replacement for Basic, designed to be a real
>> language. Basic was originally designed for only educational purposes.
>>
>> So yes, Basic was often the only choice, even for those of us that wanted
>> something better, and it is unfortunate that Basic was the only choice
>> when it was.
>>
>>
>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>> news:uD4rkG$SKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Fortran was abandoned by MS for the PC, so I used compiled BASIC for
>>> many of my scientific programs back in the 80's and 90's. It was the
>>> most viable option for the PC. Then MS abandoned that for Windows and
>>> its subsequent languages, of which Fortran is not included.
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary RemoveThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:u3NbVRrSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
>>> In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:uNXFdFnSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking
>>>>lessons
>>>> once a week in Community College.
>>>> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David
>>>> A.
>>>> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>>>>
>>>> t-4-2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e4R7flmSKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>>>>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>>>>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>>>>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on.
>>>>> I've
>>>>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>>>>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my
>>>>> mail
>>>>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like
>>>>> to
>>>>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>>>>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they
>>>>> are
>>>>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that
>>>>> I
>>>>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000
>>>>> mails,
>>>>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify
>>>>> me
>>>>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>>>>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>>>>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe
>>>>> I'll
>>>>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then
>>>>> convert
>>>>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them.
>>>>> Since
>>>>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to
>>>>> convert
>>>>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I
>>>>> should
>>>>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>>>>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football),
>>>>> reading
>>>>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>>>>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>>>>> now.
>>>>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express
>>>>> way
>>>>> of doing things!
>>>>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> after clicking "Send"!
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OiOYd7iSKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>>>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were
>>>>>> OFFERED
>>>>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>>>>> client, WLM.
>>>>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>>>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>>>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be
>>>>>> downloaded
>>>>>> to their respective accounts.
>>>>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of
>>>>>> organizing
>>>>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>>>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail (
>>>>>> WLM )
>>>>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>>>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>>>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eguxbliSKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I
>>>>>>> have my
>>>>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23j%23GjqcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it
>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible
>>>>>>>>> alternative,
>>>>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran RemoveThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
>>>>>>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few
>>>>>>>>>>> days?
>>>>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

That's because you haven't replaced the correct registry values that were
removed during the upgrade. One registry file that has been posted is not
nearly adequate to replace what was removed during the upgrade. Unless
those values are reset, then Windows doesn't work in terms of the mailto and
other protocols that are affected.

steve

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:e0znKwDTKHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
MailTo links are typically found on a web page.
One example is Craigslist listings. When clicking on such a
link to contact the person who placed the ad, the browser sends
the request to the OS, which then opens the default email program,
starts a new email message and it fills in the 'To' address and often
the Subject line also.

A related function that won't work in Windows Mail on Win7 is the
Mail button in any other program, including Internet Explorer.
Likewise, when using Windows Live Photo Gallery, the Email button
on its toolbar won't call up Windows Mail.

A savvy person who is determined to use WM on Win7 can use the
appropriate manual workarounds, but the average user will become
frustrated.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee DeleteThis @post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:OIq7BmDTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>
> "Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
> far as
> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
> average
> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
> links don't work."
>
> By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
> inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
> others)?
>
> What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
> 7?
>
> Thanks.
>

Well, I've been around with computers since the mid-70's and have gone from
Fortran, to BASIC, back to Fortran, back to BASIC and then a little C and
then more BASIC. Keep in mind that it at least 3 or 4 flavors of BASIC, so
they really can't be equated.

GWBASIC was not included also.

steve

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis DeleteThis @SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
news:ukCU$wDTKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Which is unfortunate; that is, that languages such as Fortran, COBOL and
> Pascal got less support in the DOS and Windows (PC) environments. Even
> C/C++ got less support than it could have. Microsoft is as successful as
> it is due to DOS and Basic ... oh let's see, wasn't it Basic that came
> first for the PC? The Basic that Microsoft provided for the PC was
> proprietary and they have favored it because it is proprietary; Basic was
> never favored by computer language specialists. Pascal was explicitly
> designed to be a superior replacement for Basic, designed to be a real
> language. Basic was originally designed for only educational purposes.
>
> So yes, Basic was often the only choice, even for those of us that wanted
> something better, and it is unfortunate that Basic was the only choice
> when it was.
>
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:uD4rkG$SKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Fortran was abandoned by MS for the PC, so I used compiled BASIC for many
>> of my scientific programs back in the 80's and 90's. It was the most
>> viable option for the PC. Then MS abandoned that for Windows and its
>> subsequent languages, of which Fortran is not included.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary DeleteThis @NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:u3NbVRrSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
>> In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>> news:uNXFdFnSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
>>> once a week in Community College.
>>> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David
>>> A.
>>> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>>>
>>> t-4-2
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e4R7flmSKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>>>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>>>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>>>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on.
>>>> I've
>>>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>>>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my
>>>> mail
>>>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like
>>>> to
>>>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>>>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they
>>>> are
>>>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that I
>>>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000
>>>> mails,
>>>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify me
>>>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>>>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>>>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll
>>>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then
>>>> convert
>>>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them.
>>>> Since
>>>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to
>>>> convert
>>>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
>>>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I
>>>> should
>>>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>>>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football),
>>>> reading
>>>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>>>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>>>> now.
>>>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express
>>>> way
>>>> of doing things!
>>>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see
>>>> immediately
>>>> after clicking "Send"!
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:OiOYd7iSKHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
>>>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have
>>>>> to
>>>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>>>> client, WLM.
>>>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different
>>>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be
>>>>> downloaded
>>>>> to their respective accounts.
>>>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of
>>>>> organizing
>>>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail (
>>>>> WLM )
>>>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>>>
>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eguxbliSKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "t-4-2" <dhuang1 DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23j%23GjqcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible
>>>>>>>> alternative,
>>>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <scochran DeleteThis @oehelp.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
>>>>>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few
>>>>>>>>>> days?
>>>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

Until someone posts a complete registry file that resets
all the necessary Windows Mail values, I can't recommend
use of WM under Windows 7 for the average user.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen


"Steve Cochran" <scochran.RemoveThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:09DF2489-8C2F-44D6-ABF0-A8129672F167@microsoft.com...
> That's because you haven't replaced the correct registry values that were
> removed during the upgrade. One registry file that has been posted is not
> nearly adequate to replace what was removed during the upgrade. Unless
> those values are reset, then Windows doesn't work in terms of the mailto and
> other protocols that are affected.
>
> steve
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e0znKwDTKHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> MailTo links are typically found on a web page.
> One example is Craigslist listings. When clicking on such a
> link to contact the person who placed the ad, the browser sends
> the request to the OS, which then opens the default email program,
> starts a new email message and it fills in the 'To' address and often
> the Subject line also.
>
> A related function that won't work in Windows Mail on Win7 is the
> Mail button in any other program, including Internet Explorer.
> Likewise, when using Windows Live Photo Gallery, the Email button
> on its toolbar won't call up Windows Mail.
>
> A savvy person who is determined to use WM on Win7 can use the
> appropriate manual workarounds, but the average user will become
> frustrated.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.RemoveThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
> news:OIq7BmDTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
>> far as
>> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
>> average
>> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
>> links don't work."
>>
>> By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
>> inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
>> others)?
>>
>> What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
>> 7?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>

Gary,
Brink, aka Shawn, has one at Sevenforums.com
Would you mind check it out ?
Or, that is one the same ?
t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:Ov7q$4OTKHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Until someone posts a complete registry file that resets
> all the necessary Windows Mail values, I can't recommend
> use of WM under Windows 7 for the average user.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran.RemoveThis@oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:09DF2489-8C2F-44D6-ABF0-A8129672F167@microsoft.com...
>> That's because you haven't replaced the correct registry values that were
>> removed during the upgrade. One registry file that has been posted is
>> not
>> nearly adequate to replace what was removed during the upgrade. Unless
>> those values are reset, then Windows doesn't work in terms of the mailto
>> and
>> other protocols that are affected.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:e0znKwDTKHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> MailTo links are typically found on a web page.
>> One example is Craigslist listings. When clicking on such a
>> link to contact the person who placed the ad, the browser sends
>> the request to the OS, which then opens the default email program,
>> starts a new email message and it fills in the 'To' address and often
>> the Subject line also.
>>
>> A related function that won't work in Windows Mail on Win7 is the
>> Mail button in any other program, including Internet Explorer.
>> Likewise, when using Windows Live Photo Gallery, the Email button
>> on its toolbar won't call up Windows Mail.
>>
>> A savvy person who is determined to use WM on Win7 can use the
>> appropriate manual workarounds, but the average user will become
>> frustrated.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee.RemoveThis@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>> news:OIq7BmDTKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary.RemoveThis@NoMail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as
>>> far as
>>> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the
>>> average
>>> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo
>>> links don't work."
>>>
>>> By "MailTo" links do you mean addresses/contacts cannot be
>>> inserted in outgoing mail (either new mail, or replies to
>>> others)?
>>>
>>> What other parts of Windows Mail do not work under Windows
>>> 7?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>