Loading windows xp...

well, processor speed is
only one aspect of performance.

there is also the aspect of
how much ram and how
much space you have on
the disk.

then of course, just like you
pointed out the speed of
the cpu, the ram and disk
operate at certain speeds
and some ram and disks
are faster than others.

then also perhaps all of
your hardware is engaging
at the same time, i.e.. printers,
modems, usb's, etc are
initializing. further, perhaps
your usb's are not optimal
or your hardware interrupts
are conflicting, etc..

then the other factor is
how many processes/programs
are "you" filling the memory
and running in your cpu when
windows loads.

if you have too many running
then your cpu may be running
as fast as it can.

or if you have programs running
and waiting for the modem to
engage so that they can update,
register, download, upload, etc,
then this is bogging down your
computer as well.

So as you can see
neither windows or the
cpu can be held responsible
for the above if this is what
the user wants to occur.

it is almost a 100 percent
guarantee that if windows
was the only thing installed
on your pc, your computer
would be functioning well.

therefore, a good benchmark
is to boot into safemode and
seeing if this mode is faster
than regular mode.
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"majki majk" <comitter.RemoveThis@europe.com> wrote in message
news:fqrv3d$f7h$2@news1.carnet.hr...
> ...the thing which is getting on my nerves most of the time is windows
> loading, that time when you see user-interface but can't do nothing besides
> waiting, this loading is lousy. I would suppose from procesor intel pentium
> M 1.73Ghz to work it in milisec. not in minute, minute and a half, depends.
> When my virusscan loads and the rest of backside definitions, i can go onto
> mars and be back in that time.
>
>
>
>

"majki majk" wrote in message news:fqrv3d$f7h$2@news1.carnet.hr...
> ...the thing which is getting on my nerves most of the time is
> windows
> loading, that time when you see user-interface but can't do nothing
> besides
> waiting, this loading is lousy. I would suppose from procesor intel
> pentium
> M 1.73Ghz to work it in milisec. not in minute, minute and a half,
> depends.
> When my virusscan loads and the rest of backside definitions, i can
> go onto
> mars and be back in that time.

A fresh install of Windows loads quickly, and once the desktop is
displayed it is available immediately. It is all the OTHER software
that *you* chose to install that is causing the lag. So decide what
you really need to load on Windows startup and also what you let load
when you login. No OS vendor is responsible for what other software
that YOU chose to install.

Ok. You mentioned the most important points for making optimalization of a
computer. But about the praxis.... i.e. i don't know how to make an
optimalization, this part i'm lacking-optimalisation.
Ok, now what further...someone always comes to this part as You did, so
maybe is just about the time for explaining a bit of this managing the
optimalization of a computer in general. I think that my computer is not
hearing me, it works mostly on default, so i would need to kick in a
bit....maybe you can help me!

Thanks!
mm

"majki majk" wrote in message news:fqtca6$ro$1@news1.carnet.hr...
> Ok. You mentioned the most important points for making
> optimalization of a computer. But about the praxis.... i.e. i don't
> know how to make an optimalization, this part i'm
> lacking-optimalisation.
> Ok, now what further...someone always comes to this part as You did,
> so maybe is just about the time for explaining a bit of this
> managing the optimalization of a computer in general. I think that
> my computer is not hearing me, it works mostly on default, so i
> would need to kick in a bit....maybe you can help me!


Start by finding out what all programs are loading when Windows starts
and what loads when you login. You can use msconfig.exe to find some
but not all of these. AutoRuns from SysInternals (acquired by
Microsoft) shows a lot more. However, just running through your Start
menu to check what you have installed will often tell you what is
running on startup and login.

www.sysinternals.com

In order to show others what processes are running, you could run the
following in a DOS shell (aka Command Prompt):

tasklist

Run "tasklist /?" to get help on running this program.

I get this stuff on 'tasklist' cmd.

Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem Usage
========================= ====== ================ ======== ============
System Idle Process 0 Console 0 28 K
System 4 Console 0 236 K
smss.exe 600 Console 0 432 K
csrss.exe 1156 Console 0 6.104 K
winlogon.exe 1180 Console 0 4.760 K
services.exe 1224 Console 0 3.528 K
lsass.exe 1244 Console 0 1.616 K
svchost.exe 1400 Console 0 5.292 K
svchost.exe 1472 Console 0 4.648 K
MsMpEng.exe 1512 Console 0 20.012 K
svchost.exe 1556 Console 0 25.388 K
svchost.exe 1632 Console 0 3.432 K
svchost.exe 1748 Console 0 3.016 K
LEXBCES.EXE 340 Console 0 3.456 K
LEXPPS.EXE 368 Console 0 3.484 K
spoolsv.exe 372 Console 0 6.492 K
schedul2.exe 408 Console 0 2.416 K
svchost.exe 516 Console 0 3.268 K
GhostStartService.exe 620 Console 0 2.280 K
IAANTMon.exe 676 Console 0 1.496 K
inetinfo.exe 688 Console 0 10.196 K
FrameworkService.exe 708 Console 0 7.236 K
Mcshield.exe 776 Console 0 68.868 K
VsTskMgr.exe 816 Console 0 400 K
naPrdMgr.exe 824 Console 0 1.120 K
MDM.EXE 1008 Console 0 3.008 K
HPZipm12.exe 1032 Console 0 1.804 K
svchost.exe 1152 Console 0 4.272 K
alg.exe 2352 Console 0 3.668 K
explorer.exe 3652 Console 0 27.248 K
SynTPLpr.exe 3792 Console 0 2.460 K
SynTPEnh.exe 3812 Console 0 4.556 K
AGRSMMSG.exe 3820 Console 0 2.612 K
ltmoh.exe 3828 Console 0 3.104 K
shstat.exe 3836 Console 0 572 K
UpdaterUI.exe 3844 Console 0 492 K
TaskSwitch.exe 3852 Console 0 1.912 K
MSASCui.exe 3904 Console 0 7.648 K
IAAnotif.exe 4000 Console 0 2.544 K
BtnHnd.exe 4020 Console 0 2.972 K
BATTERYAID.exe 4060 Console 0 3.400 K
IndicatorUty.exe 4072 Console 0 3.020 K
QuickTouch.exe 412 Console 0 6.340 K
ATSwpNav.exe 760 Console 0 3.444 K
FUJ02E3.exe 900 Console 0 2.484 K
hpwuSchd2.exe 944 Console 0 2.336 K
realsched.exe 964 Console 0 244 K
EasyPHP.exe 1044 Console 0 5.716 K
hpgs2wnd.exe 1856 Console 0 3.660 K
hpgs2wnf.exe 1664 Console 0 3.476 K
rundll32.exe 2468 Console 0 3.584 K
Apache.exe 2484 Console 0 11.592 K
mysqld.exe 2556 Console 0 10.516 K
TrueImageMonitor.exe 1496 Console 0 3.408 K
schedhlp.exe 1444 Console 0 2.692 K
TimounterMonitor.exe 2820 Console 0 4.552 K
ctfmon.exe 2664 Console 0 3.524 K
EK.exe 2884 Console 0 2.820 K
Apache.exe 2944 Console 0 13.256 K
iexplore.exe 4404 Console 0 53.608 K
WLLoginProxy.exe 4424 Console 0 7.500 K
msimn.exe 4808 Console 0 22.728 K
AcroRd32.exe 5896 Console 0 26.884 K
iexplore.exe 2152 Console 0 51.692 K
notepad.exe 1684 Console 0 3.776 K
cmd.exe 5240 Console 0 2.732 K
tasklist.exe 4164 Console 0 4.532 K
wmiprvse.exe 4740 Console 0 5.756 K

"VanguardLH" <V.DeleteThis@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:O$ZhrlQgIHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "majki majk" wrote in message news:fqtca6$ro$1@news1.carnet.hr...
>> Ok. You mentioned the most important points for making optimalization of
>> a computer. But about the praxis.... i.e. i don't know how to make an
>> optimalization, this part i'm lacking-optimalisation.
>> Ok, now what further...someone always comes to this part as You did, so
>> maybe is just about the time for explaining a bit of this managing the
>> optimalization of a computer in general. I think that my computer is not
>> hearing me, it works mostly on default, so i would need to kick in a
>> bit....maybe you can help me!
>
>
> Start by finding out what all programs are loading when Windows starts and
> what loads when you login. You can use msconfig.exe to find some but not
> all of these. AutoRuns from SysInternals (acquired by Microsoft) shows a
> lot more. However, just running through your Start menu to check what you
> have installed will often tell you what is running on startup and login.
>
> www.sysinternals.com
>
> In order to show others what processes are running, you could run the
> following in a DOS shell (aka Command Prompt):
>
> tasklist
>
> Run "tasklist /?" to get help on running this program.
>

"majki majk" wrote in message news:fqus4f$rul$2@news1.carnet.hr...
>I get this stuff on 'tasklist' cmd.

> svchost.exe 1400 Console 0
> 5.292 K

To see what NT services are rolled up into each instance of svchost,
you need to use Process Explorer from SysInternals.

> MsMpEng.exe 1512 Console 0
> 20.012 K
> MSASCui.exe 3904 Console 0
> 7.648 K

That is Microsoft's Windows Defender.

> IAANTMon.exe 676 Console 0
> 1.496 K
> SynTPLpr.exe 3792 Console 0
> 2.460 K
> SynTPEnh.exe 3812 Console 0
> 4.556 K
> AGRSMMSG.exe 3820 Console 0
> 2.612 K
> ltmoh.exe 3828 Console 0
> 3.104 K
> shstat.exe 3836 Console 0
> 572 K
> UpdaterUI.exe 3844 Console 0
> 492 K
> LEXBCES.EXE 340 Console 0
> 3.456 K
> LEXPPS.EXE 368 Console 0
> 3.484 K
> FrameworkService.exe 708 Console 0
> 7.236 K
> VsTskMgr.exe 816 Console 0
> 400 K
> naPrdMgr.exe 824 Console 0
> 1.120 K
> IAAnotif.exe 4000 Console 0
> 2.544 K
> BtnHnd.exe 4020 Console 0
> 2.972 K
> BATTERYAID.exe 4060 Console 0
> 3.400 K
> IndicatorUty.exe 4072 Console 0
> 3.020 K
> QuickTouch.exe 412 Console 0
> 6.340 K
> ATSwpNav.exe 760 Console 0
> 3.444 K
> FUJ02E3.exe 900 Console 0
> 2.484 K
> hpwuSchd2.exe 944 Console 0
> 2.336 K
> realsched.exe 964 Console 0
> 244 K
> EasyPHP.exe 1044 Console 0
> 5.716 K
> hpgs2wnd.exe 1856 Console 0
> 3.660 K
> hpgs2wnf.exe 1664 Console 0
> 3.476 K
> EK.exe 2884 Console 0
> 2.820 K

You'll have to go find those files to determine what they are for.
Google search on them. Search for where they are on your hard disk as
that may determine their purpose or to what software they belong.
Some look to be laptop utilities - but then you never mentioned that
your "computer" was a laptop. If it is a laptop, why are you running
server software on it?

> schedul2.exe 408 Console 0
> 2.416 K
> TrueImageMonitor.exe 1496 Console 0
> 3.408 K
> schedhlp.exe 1444 Console 0
> 2.692 K
> TimounterMonitor.exe 2820 Console 0
> 4.552 K

Happen to have Acronis TrueImage running on this host?

> GhostStartService.exe 620 Console 0
> 2.280 K

And Norton Ghost, too? Pick one backup/imaging program and stick with
that one. If this is not part of Norton Ghost, find where is the file
on the hard disk to determine to which product it belongs.

> inetinfo.exe 688 Console 0
> 10.196 K

Might be running to provide IIS (web server) management although IIS
doesn't actually need to be running. I think it might be required if
you use web sharing of folders (but then I think IIS has to be running
to provide the web server-style access).

> Mcshield.exe 776 Console 0
> 68.868 K

McAfee VirusScan or part of a McAfee security suite.

> HPZipm12.exe 1032 Console 0
> 1.804 K

My guess is this has to do with a printer. Got an HP printer?
Running some toolbox program for it?

> alg.exe 2352 Console 0
> 3.668 K

This is the Application Layer Gateway. You only need to have this NT
service enabled and running if you use the firewall included in
Windows or you run ICS (the gateway server program to make your host
look like a gateway for Internet access to other hosts inside your
network, but most folks nowadays just connect all their hosts to a
router).

> explorer.exe 3652 Console 0
> 27.248 K

That would be your desktop.

> TaskSwitch.exe 3852 Console 0
> 1.912 K

Install the TaskSwitch powertoy from Microsoft? If yes, it isn't
stable so you might want to rethink leaving that powertoy installed.

> rundll32.exe 2468 Console 0
> 3.584 K

You will need Process Explorer to find out which program from within a
DLL file is being executed by this process. You might be able to use
msconfig.exe or AutoRuns to find a startup entry for this. DLLs are
libraries of functions or methods that are collated together within a
single file. Each function is called by name, or an entry point, in
the DLL file. So the complete command line will be something like
"rundll32.exe <dllfile>,<parameters>". For simplistic security
products, like many firewalls, they don't check what the program uses
for parameters so they only know rundll32.exe was executed and most
users permit that program to run but this is a security risk because
it could be malware or unwantedware that gets loaded and is running.

> mysqld.exe 2556 Console 0
> 10.516 K

MySQL daemon: An SQL server. Probably runs as an NT service so it
loads on Windows startup. You certainly seem to be running lots of
server-level programs on a workstation host. It also seems odd that
you have the expertise to be installing and using these type of
programs but no understanding of how to administer Windows.

> ctfmon.exe 2664 Console 0
> 3.524 K

Don't know what that one is. Start doing a file search to find it, or
use Process Explorer from SysInternals to get more info on it.

> Apache.exe 2944 Console 0
> 13.256 K

You are running the Apache web server on a workstation-class operating
system? Well, yeah, it can be done. Presumably it was installed to
run as an NT service. I have to wonder why you cannot decipher your
own startup and running processes if you have the wherewithall to
manage a web server and its pages.

You listed 2 instances of this process. Seems odds that it needs to
be loaded twice.

> iexplore.exe 4404 Console 0
> 53.608 K

Did you actually have a visible instance of Internet Explorer
displayed when you ran the 'tasklist' command? If not, you have
malware that is running a hidden (no window) instance of IE. You
listed 2 instances of this process. Did you have 2 instances of IE
open at the time? Obviously IE would *not* be loading on Windows
startup to effect a lag in how long before it becomes ready for use.
You are showing a lot of irrelevant processes to your problem
regarding startup time.

> WLLoginProxy.exe 4424 Console 0
> 7.500 K

You are also running a local web proxy in addition to a web server and
SQL server on an end-user host (and maybe a laptop, too)?

> msimn.exe 4808 Console 0
> 22.728 K

That is Outlook Express. Was there a reason that you had it running
with you ran 'tasklist'? Obviously it should not be running when you
startup Windows and when you login, and it is the startup time that
you were complaining about.

> AcroRd32.exe 5896 Console 0
> 26.884 K

Why was Acrobat Reader running at the time?

> notepad.exe 1684 Console 0
> 3.776 K

Well, even you can figure that one out. Obviously that process would
NOT be a cause of the lag to get Windows ready since it does *not*
load on Windows startup or when you login.

> cmd.exe 5240 Console 0
> 2.732 K

And you have a DOS shell open, too? Geez, how much garbage do you
have running all at once and claiming to be loading when Windows
starts?


I'm starting to suspect that this is NOT your laptop or was a used one
that you somehow acquired. If you had the expertise to manage and
understand all the software that you show is running on your computer
then you would have the expertise to understand those processes.

you have too much
loading and running:

you should launch
you windows without
all those third party
software.

go to start>run>msconfig

then go to startup tab
and "disable all" the line
items. if you have some
that are enable or disable
then write down which
ones were enable.

afterwards go to
services tab and check
the "hide microsoft services".

what is left on the list
you should disable them
too. if again there are some
enable and disabled, then
write down which ones
were enabled.

after you pc initializes
it will should run faster.

afterwards, only those
programs that are vital
should be enabled.

(i can tell you right now
you don't need anything
running/loaded with
acro* or real* or sched*
or update*)

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

"VanguardLH" <V.TakeThisOut@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:fqutvi$75j$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "majki majk" wrote in message news:fqus4f$rul$2@news1.carnet.hr...
>>I get this stuff on 'tasklist' cmd.
>
>> svchost.exe 1400 Console 0 5.292 K
>
> To see what NT services are rolled up into each instance of svchost, you need
> to use Process Explorer from SysInternals.
>
>> MsMpEng.exe 1512 Console 0 20.012 K
>> MSASCui.exe 3904 Console 0 7.648 K
>
> That is Microsoft's Windows Defender.
>
>> IAANTMon.exe 676 Console 0 1.496 K
>> SynTPLpr.exe 3792 Console 0 2.460 K
>> SynTPEnh.exe 3812 Console 0 4.556 K
>> AGRSMMSG.exe 3820 Console 0 2.612 K
>> ltmoh.exe 3828 Console 0 3.104 K
>> shstat.exe 3836 Console 0 572 K
>> UpdaterUI.exe 3844 Console 0 492 K
>> LEXBCES.EXE 340 Console 0 3.456 K
>> LEXPPS.EXE 368 Console 0 3.484 K
>> FrameworkService.exe 708 Console 0 7.236 K
>> VsTskMgr.exe 816 Console 0 400 K
>> naPrdMgr.exe 824 Console 0 1.120 K
>> IAAnotif.exe 4000 Console 0 2.544 K
>> BtnHnd.exe 4020 Console 0 2.972 K
>> BATTERYAID.exe 4060 Console 0 3.400 K
>> IndicatorUty.exe 4072 Console 0 3.020 K
>> QuickTouch.exe 412 Console 0 6.340 K
>> ATSwpNav.exe 760 Console 0 3.444 K
>> FUJ02E3.exe 900 Console 0 2.484 K
>> hpwuSchd2.exe 944 Console 0 2.336 K
>> realsched.exe 964 Console 0 244 K
>> EasyPHP.exe 1044 Console 0 5.716 K
>> hpgs2wnd.exe 1856 Console 0 3.660 K
>> hpgs2wnf.exe 1664 Console 0 3.476 K
>> EK.exe 2884 Console 0 2.820 K
>
> You'll have to go find those files to determine what they are for. Google
> search on them. Search for where they are on your hard disk as that may
> determine their purpose or to what software they belong. Some look to be
> laptop utilities - but then you never mentioned that your "computer" was a
> laptop. If it is a laptop, why are you running server software on it?
>
>> schedul2.exe 408 Console 0 2.416 K
>> TrueImageMonitor.exe 1496 Console 0 3.408 K
>> schedhlp.exe 1444 Console 0 2.692 K
>> TimounterMonitor.exe 2820 Console 0 4.552 K
>
> Happen to have Acronis TrueImage running on this host?
>
>> GhostStartService.exe 620 Console 0 2.280 K
>
> And Norton Ghost, too? Pick one backup/imaging program and stick with that
> one. If this is not part of Norton Ghost, find where is the file on the hard
> disk to determine to which product it belongs.
>
>> inetinfo.exe 688 Console 0 10.196 K
>
> Might be running to provide IIS (web server) management although IIS doesn't
> actually need to be running. I think it might be required if you use web
> sharing of folders (but then I think IIS has to be running to provide the web
> server-style access).
>
>> Mcshield.exe 776 Console 0 68.868 K
>
> McAfee VirusScan or part of a McAfee security suite.
>
>> HPZipm12.exe 1032 Console 0 1.804 K
>
> My guess is this has to do with a printer. Got an HP printer? Running some
> toolbox program for it?
>
>> alg.exe 2352 Console 0 3.668 K
>
> This is the Application Layer Gateway. You only need to have this NT service
> enabled and running if you use the firewall included in Windows or you run ICS
> (the gateway server program to make your host look like a gateway for Internet
> access to other hosts inside your network, but most folks nowadays just
> connect all their hosts to a router).
>
>> explorer.exe 3652 Console 0 27.248 K
>
> That would be your desktop.
>
>> TaskSwitch.exe 3852 Console 0 1.912 K
>
> Install the TaskSwitch powertoy from Microsoft? If yes, it isn't stable so
> you might want to rethink leaving that powertoy installed.
>
>> rundll32.exe 2468 Console 0 3.584 K
>
> You will need Process Explorer to find out which program from within a DLL
> file is being executed by this process. You might be able to use msconfig.exe
> or AutoRuns to find a startup entry for this. DLLs are libraries of functions
> or methods that are collated together within a single file. Each function is
> called by name, or an entry point, in the DLL file. So the complete command
> line will be something like "rundll32.exe <dllfile>,<parameters>". For
> simplistic security products, like many firewalls, they don't check what the
> program uses for parameters so they only know rundll32.exe was executed and
> most users permit that program to run but this is a security risk because it
> could be malware or unwantedware that gets loaded and is running.
>
>> mysqld.exe 2556 Console 0 10.516 K
>
> MySQL daemon: An SQL server. Probably runs as an NT service so it loads on
> Windows startup. You certainly seem to be running lots of server-level
> programs on a workstation host. It also seems odd that you have the expertise
> to be installing and using these type of programs but no understanding of how
> to administer Windows.
>
>> ctfmon.exe 2664 Console 0 3.524 K
>
> Don't know what that one is. Start doing a file search to find it, or use
> Process Explorer from SysInternals to get more info on it.
>
>> Apache.exe 2944 Console 0 13.256 K
>
> You are running the Apache web server on a workstation-class operating system?
> Well, yeah, it can be done. Presumably it was installed to run as an NT
> service. I have to wonder why you cannot decipher your own startup and
> running processes if you have the wherewithall to manage a web server and its
> pages.
>
> You listed 2 instances of this process. Seems odds that it needs to be loaded
> twice.
>
>> iexplore.exe 4404 Console 0 53.608 K
>
> Did you actually have a visible instance of Internet Explorer displayed when
> you ran the 'tasklist' command? If not, you have malware that is running a
> hidden (no window) instance of IE. You listed 2 instances of this process.
> Did you have 2 instances of IE open at the time? Obviously IE would *not* be
> loading on Windows startup to effect a lag in how long before it becomes ready
> for use. You are showing a lot of irrelevant processes to your problem
> regarding startup time.
>
>> WLLoginProxy.exe 4424 Console 0 7.500 K
>
> You are also running a local web proxy in addition to a web server and SQL
> server on an end-user host (and maybe a laptop, too)?
>
>> msimn.exe 4808 Console 0 22.728 K
>
> That is Outlook Express. Was there a reason that you had it running with you
> ran 'tasklist'? Obviously it should not be running when you startup Windows
> and when you login, and it is the startup time that you were complaining
> about.
>
>> AcroRd32.exe 5896 Console 0 26.884 K
>
> Why was Acrobat Reader running at the time?
>
>> notepad.exe 1684 Console 0 3.776 K
>
> Well, even you can figure that one out. Obviously that process would NOT be a
> cause of the lag to get Windows ready since it does *not* load on Windows
> startup or when you login.
>
>> cmd.exe 5240 Console 0 2.732 K
>
> And you have a DOS shell open, too? Geez, how much garbage do you have
> running all at once and claiming to be loading when Windows starts?
>
>
> I'm starting to suspect that this is NOT your laptop or was a used one that
> you somehow acquired. If you had the expertise to manage and understand all
> the software that you show is running on your computer then you would have the
> expertise to understand those processes.
>

"VanguardLH" <V.TakeThisOut@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:fqutvi$75j$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "majki majk" wrote in message news:fqus4f$rul$2@news1.carnet.hr...
>>I get this stuff on 'tasklist' cmd.
>
>> svchost.exe 1400 Console 0 5.292 K
>
> To see what NT services are rolled up into each instance of svchost, you
> need to use Process Explorer from SysInternals.
>
>> MsMpEng.exe 1512 Console 0 20.012 K
>> MSASCui.exe 3904 Console 0 7.648 K
>
> That is Microsoft's Windows Defender.
>
>> IAANTMon.exe 676 Console 0 1.496 K
>> SynTPLpr.exe 3792 Console 0 2.460 K
>> SynTPEnh.exe 3812 Console 0 4.556 K
>> AGRSMMSG.exe 3820 Console 0 2.612 K
>> ltmoh.exe 3828 Console 0 3.104 K
>> shstat.exe 3836 Console 0 572 K
>> UpdaterUI.exe 3844 Console 0 492 K
>> LEXBCES.EXE 340 Console 0 3.456 K
>> LEXPPS.EXE 368 Console 0 3.484 K
>> FrameworkService.exe 708 Console 0 7.236 K
>> VsTskMgr.exe 816 Console 0 400 K
>> naPrdMgr.exe 824 Console 0 1.120 K
>> IAAnotif.exe 4000 Console 0 2.544 K
>> BtnHnd.exe 4020 Console 0 2.972 K
>> BATTERYAID.exe 4060 Console 0 3.400 K
>> IndicatorUty.exe 4072 Console 0 3.020 K
>> QuickTouch.exe 412 Console 0 6.340 K
>> ATSwpNav.exe 760 Console 0 3.444 K
>> FUJ02E3.exe 900 Console 0 2.484 K
>> hpwuSchd2.exe 944 Console 0 2.336 K
>> realsched.exe 964 Console 0 244 K
>> EasyPHP.exe 1044 Console 0 5.716 K
>> hpgs2wnd.exe 1856 Console 0 3.660 K
>> hpgs2wnf.exe 1664 Console 0 3.476 K
>> EK.exe 2884 Console 0 2.820 K
>
> You'll have to go find those files to determine what they are for. Google
> search on them. Search for where they are on your hard disk as that may
> determine their purpose or to what software they belong. Some look to be
> laptop utilities - but then you never mentioned that your "computer" was a
> laptop.

I'll find their purposes in the time. They are laptop utilities, mostly. And
other, undefined. It would be superb that taskmanager have a short
explanations of aplicattions, as process explorer have, as you mentioned.
Computer= Laptop or Desktop computer....generally saying.

If it is a laptop, why are you running
> server software on it?

Why wouldn't i do that? I know that laptops, besides those up-mighty ones
haven't been made for server side, but a man gotta manage somehow.
What do you suggest, not to put server side on my laptop?Why? I have a
desktop computer, but it isn't prepared yet for such a task. I'm in learning
phase...

>
>> schedul2.exe 408 Console 0 2.416 K
>> TrueImageMonitor.exe 1496 Console 0 3.408 K
>> schedhlp.exe 1444 Console 0 2.692 K
>> TimounterMonitor.exe 2820 Console 0 4.552 K
>
> Happen to have Acronis TrueImage running on this host?

Yeah, having problem with consistency of a harddrive so looking forward to
make an harddisk image onto a desktop computer.

>
>> GhostStartService.exe 620 Console 0 2.280 K
>
> And Norton Ghost, too? Pick one backup/imaging program and stick with
> that one. If this is not part of Norton Ghost, find where is the file on
> the hard disk to determine to which product it belongs.
>
I always thought that i would need this programme for something, but didn't
used it yet.
You are absolutely right, i'll stick with one of a kind. Symantec was really
a ghost for me.

>> inetinfo.exe 688 Console 0 10.196 K
>
> Might be running to provide IIS (web server) management although IIS
> doesn't actually need to be running. I think it might be required if you
> use web sharing of folders (but then I think IIS has to be running to
> provide the web server-style access).

C: \windows\system32\inetsrv

Maybe this helps, obviously it's a part of windows files. I'm not using web
sharing of folders, but am using file sharing between this two computers. My
scane(HP)r has some function of uploading of files on net, rubbish.

>
>> Mcshield.exe 776 Console 0 68.868 K
>
> McAfee VirusScan or part of a McAfee security suite.
>
>> HPZipm12.exe 1032 Console 0 1.804 K
>
> My guess is this has to do with a printer. Got an HP printer? Running
> some toolbox program for it?

Yeah, their toolbox is self-installing&managing tool, don't like too much,
i like knowing what&when i have installed onto computer.

>
>> alg.exe 2352 Console 0 3.668 K
>
> This is the Application Layer Gateway. You only need to have this NT
> service enabled and running if you use the firewall included in

Yes, i have firewall installed onto computer, don't see the ways going
online without it these days.

> Windows or you run ICS (the gateway server program to make your host look
> like a gateway for Internet access to other hosts inside your network, but
> most folks nowadays just connect all their hosts to a router).
>
Other computer doesn't have an internet acess for now. I'm working on that
too
Yet didn't go so far as router is, trying to avoid that.

>> explorer.exe 3652 Console 0 27.248 K
>
> That would be your desktop.
>
>> TaskSwitch.exe 3852 Console 0 1.912 K
>
> Install the TaskSwitch powertoy from Microsoft? If yes, it isn't stable
> so you might want to rethink leaving that powertoy installed.

What is it used for? I don't recall using it... As we are by that, where
do i uninstall this little applications?


>
>> rundll32.exe 2468 Console 0 3.584 K
>
> You will need Process Explorer to find out which program from within a DLL
> file is being executed by this process. You might be able to use
> msconfig.exe or AutoRuns to find a startup entry for this. DLLs are
> libraries of functions or methods that are collated together within a
> single file. Each function is called by name, or an entry point, in the
> DLL file. So the complete command line will be something like
> "rundll32.exe <dllfile>,<parameters>". For simplistic security products,
> like many firewalls, they don't check what the program uses for parameters
> so they only know rundll32.exe was executed and most users permit that
> program to run but this is a security risk because it could be malware or
> unwantedware that gets loaded and is running.
>

I scanned this for viruses(viruses=0), aditionally, but will surely use
process explorer for it.

>> mysqld.exe 2556 Console 0 10.516 K
>
> MySQL daemon: An SQL server. Probably runs as an NT service so it loads
> on Windows startup. You certainly seem to be running lots of server-level
> programs on a workstation host. It also seems odd that you have the
> expertise to be installing and using these type of programs but no
> understanding of how to administer Windows.
>
Rather saying a low-level of a beginner, but am trying to become an expert,
it's something like call of duty.

>> ctfmon.exe 2664 Console 0 3.524 K
>
> Don't know what that one is. Start doing a file search to find it, or use
> Process Explorer from SysInternals to get more info on it.
>
>> Apache.exe 2944 Console 0 13.256 K
>
> You are running the Apache web server on a workstation-class operating
> system? Well, yeah, it can be done. Presumably it was installed to run
> as an NT service. I have to wonder why you cannot decipher your own
> startup and running processes if you have the wherewithall to manage a web
> server and its pages.
>
> You listed 2 instances of this process. Seems odds that it needs to be
> loaded twice.

Yeah, this is odd, but don't know which one to switch off. I switched the
one which is acquiring less space-off. And that brought apache off. Then i
started it again, it automatically asked me 'am i sure to turn it off?'.

>
>> iexplore.exe 4404 Console 0 53.608 K
>
> Did you actually have a visible instance of Internet Explorer displayed
> when you ran the 'tasklist' command? If not, you have malware that is
> running a hidden (no window) instance of IE. You listed 2 instances of
> this process. Did you have 2 instances of IE open at the time? Obviously
> IE would *not* be loading on Windows startup to effect a lag in how long
> before it becomes ready for use. You are showing a lot of irrelevant
> processes to your problem regarding startup time.
>

Maybe i did, don't remember having them open. I looked for them just right
about now and there's no iexplorer.exe.
It seems that was usual way of flow on my computer(laptop). Yeah, but every
computer has a lot of this processes stared up also as usually.

>> WLLoginProxy.exe 4424 Console 0 7.500 K
>
> You are also running a local web proxy in addition to a web server and SQL
> server on an end-user host (and maybe a laptop, too)?
>
>> msimn.exe 4808 Console 0 22.728 K
>
> That is Outlook Express. Was there a reason that you had it running with
> you ran 'tasklist'? Obviously it should not be running when you startup
> Windows and when you login, and it is the startup time that you were
> complaining about.
>
I have it turned on most of the time. But didn't aranged it to start up with
windows.?

>> AcroRd32.exe 5896 Console 0 26.884 K
>
> Why was Acrobat Reader running at the time?
>

I checked it right now, and it hasn't been started. It may be that it was
started that time due to loading or opening some file, so it has stayed
open in tasks.

>> notepad.exe 1684 Console 0 3.776 K
>
> Well, even you can figure that one out. Obviously that process would NOT
> be a cause of the lag to get Windows ready since it does *not* load on
> Windows startup or when you login.
>
>> cmd.exe 5240 Console 0 2.732 K
>
> And you have a DOS shell open, too? Geez, how much garbage do you have
> running all at once and claiming to be loading when Windows starts?

This is more like a question to me, because i don't know how to make
programs, utilities not loading with the startup, moreover don't know even
where to look for such an options.
Cmd is always under the 'Start' on the right side of the menu. I haven't
made it to open on startup individually. I open it manually when needed.
Heh, those system administrators have this kind of utilities allthetime
opened 10x as i do. What are you saying or suggesting, you never have more
than three utilities opened in the same time?


>
>
> I'm starting to suspect that this is NOT your laptop or was a used one
> that you somehow acquired. If you had the expertise to manage and
> understand all the software that you show is running on your computer then
> you would have the expertise to understand those processes.
>
I surely agree that i would need to know all of this processes on my
computer. It's like not knowing who is working or passing by in/through my
house. So looking it from one side i'm pretty ashamed. But it's not that
relevant anyhow, is it?
I have a bill for this laptop so...but it's just like someone gave me an nlo
into my hands, similarly. So trying to decipher what really, really is.
Thanks my friend on this valuable informations. Hope you'll stay in contact!

"majki majk" <comitter.TakeThisOut@europe.com> wrote in message
news:fr1tfm$t4k$1@news1.carnet.hr...
>
>> If it is a laptop, why are you running
>> server software on it?
>
> Why wouldn't i do that? I know that laptops, besides those up-mighty
> ones
> haven't been made for server side, but a man gotta manage somehow.
> What do you suggest, not to put server side on my laptop?Why? I have
> a
> desktop computer, but it isn't prepared yet for such a task. I'm in
> learning
> phase...

The laptop gets moved around to different networks. It is unlikely
that it could be used as a server host because client hosts wouldn't
know where to find it as it travelled. You say that it is for
training purposes yet it seems you have way too much running. Well,
why complain about the startup of Windows if you know that you are
deliberately installing and loading all this server software on
startup?

>>> TaskSwitch.exe 3852 Console 0 1.912 K
>>
>> Install the TaskSwitch powertoy from Microsoft? If yes, it isn't
>> stable
>> so you might want to rethink leaving that powertoy installed.
>
> What is it used for? I don't recall using it... As we are by that,
> where
> do i uninstall this little applications?

When you hit Alt+Tab, you see a row of icons, one for each application
that is windowed. As you hold down Alt and repeatedly hit Tab, you
cycle through each application in the list. TaskSwitch tries to show
a mini-thumbnail of each application rather than an icon in an attempt
to give you a better idea what that application is doing. However,
I've found that utility is too flaky and got rid of it. Since it
installs, there should be an entry for it in the Add/Remove Programs
applet.

>> You certainly seem to be running lots of server-level
>> programs on a workstation host. It also seems odd that you have
>> the
>> expertise to be installing and using these type of programs but no
>> understanding of how to administer Windows.
>
> Rather saying a low-level of a beginner, but am trying to become an
> expert,
> it's something like call of duty.

If you are going to become proficient in server programs, you need to
be already proficient in the operating system on which they execute.
Hodgepodge or piecemeal training means you know little of any of it.
Of those I know that are learning how to install, configure, and
maintain web servers, write web page, do web or host scripting, use
SQL, and so on are already knowledgeable Windows users that can
recognize the processes shown in Task Manager and know how to track
down what they are for. Looks like you dumped a ton of stuff on your
plate and lots of it is falling off.

>>> Apache.exe 2944 Console 0 13.256
>>> K
>>
>> You are running the Apache web server on a workstation-class
>> operating
>> system? Well, yeah, it can be done. Presumably it was installed
>> to run
>> as an NT service. I have to wonder why you cannot decipher your
>> own
>> startup and running processes if you have the wherewithall to
>> manage a web
>> server and its pages.
>>
>> You listed 2 instances of this process. Seems odds that it needs
>> to be
>> loaded twice.
>
> Yeah, this is odd, but don't know which one to switch off. I
> switched the
> one which is acquiring less space-off. And that brought apache off.
> Then i
> started it again, it automatically asked me 'am i sure to turn it
> off?'.

Apparently Apache can have 2 to 5 instances of itself running. It's
been over 6 years since I had to do anything with that web server.

>> Geez, how much garbage do you have
>> running all at once and claiming to be loading when Windows starts?
>
> This is more like a question to me, because i don't know how to make
> programs, utilities not loading with the startup, moreover don't
> know even
> where to look for such an options.

Start with msconfig.exe to see what programs are loaded on startup.
Determine if you need all those programs loading when you start
Windows.

Hmm. Didn't know that this server-programs take so much memory at startup.
Of course i have much to learn more. Soon i'll put an apache server onto my
other computer, and make it as a server-side computer as a baseball base.
....
Thanks VanguardLH for tips and analizing my system startup configuration.

Keep in touch!
mm