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Tim L

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:16 am
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Hi there,

I use Windows XP Pro 32 bit, service pack 2, Pent. 4 at 2.8 GH, ASUS mother
board, SATA HD(s) and USB 2.0. This is a custom system I built about 2 years
ago. My main drive is C:/ (500 gig), I formatted right out of the box. It
works as expected. The second drive I added (300 gig) was also brand new out
of the box. I formatted it using Windows Disk Manager. I noticed that when
it was finished formatting the Disk Manger told me that the 300 gig drive had
quite a bit less than 300 gigs but I attributed that to the disk reserving
space for it’s own disk management. This last weekend I installed a third
hard drive (750 gig). Again I used Windows Disk Manager to format the new
drive. After formatting the Disk Manager tells me 694.2 gigs are available.
That is 50 gigs unaccounted for. I have looked for hidden files on the disk
but none are reported. Both the 300 and 750 gig drives were formatted for
Basic, single partition, NTSF file structure – both are for data/file storage
only. All of my HD(s) are Western Digital Caviar series with SATA. Can
anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or where the missing HD gig space is
being allocated? And more importantly, how do I make those many, many gigs
available for my storage?

Thank you
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:06 pm
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"Tim L" <TimL.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi there,
>
> I use Windows XP Pro 32 bit, service pack 2, Pent. 4 at 2.8 GH, ASUS
> mother
> board, SATA HD(s) and USB 2.0. This is a custom system I built about 2
> years
> ago. My main drive is C:/ (500 gig), I formatted right out of the box.
> It
> works as expected. The second drive I added (300 gig) was also brand new
> out
> of the box. I formatted it using Windows Disk Manager. I noticed that
> when
> it was finished formatting the Disk Manger told me that the 300 gig drive
> had
> quite a bit less than 300 gigs but I attributed that to the disk reserving
> space for it's own disk management. This last weekend I installed a third
> hard drive (750 gig). Again I used Windows Disk Manager to format the new
> drive. After formatting the Disk Manager tells me 694.2 gigs are
> available.
> That is 50 gigs unaccounted for. I have looked for hidden files on the
> disk
> but none are reported. Both the 300 and 750 gig drives were formatted for
> Basic, single partition, NTSF file structure - both are for data/file
> storage
> only. All of my HD(s) are Western Digital Caviar series with SATA. Can
> anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or where the missing HD gig space is
> being allocated? And more importantly, how do I make those many, many
> gigs
> available for my storage?

It's the Marketing Department's fault. Here's the deal: To bump their
numbers up, hard drive manufacturers define 1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
However, historically in CS we use multiples of 1,024 to define memory.
This means that 1 GB in CS terms is 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 = 1,073,741,824
bytes. The OS is reporting the memory in multiples of 1,024, while the hard
drive manufacturer's marketing department is inflating their numbers by
using multiples of 1,000 even. If you multiply the 694.2 number by (1,024 *
1,024 * 1,024), you'll get 745,391,574,220.8, which is much closer to your
expected 750 GB. The difference can probably be accounted for by rounding.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:06 pm
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Thank you Mike,

I can live with this, not happily but OK. I am trying to get my arms around
this. If I understand this correctly the OS reporting is the numer I should
be going by for actual memory available where as the advertised number is a
rounded up. Wow, 50 gigs worth of rounding up? I used to have a higher
opinon of Western Digital than I am feeling right now \Sad

"Mike C#" wrote:

>
> "Tim L" <TimL DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:38DB661B-AF37-4274-8292-21C795ECF60C@microsoft.com...
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I use Windows XP Pro 32 bit, service pack 2, Pent. 4 at 2.8 GH, ASUS
> > mother
> > board, SATA HD(s) and USB 2.0. This is a custom system I built about 2
> > years
> > ago. My main drive is C:/ (500 gig), I formatted right out of the box.
> > It
> > works as expected. The second drive I added (300 gig) was also brand new
> > out
> > of the box. I formatted it using Windows Disk Manager. I noticed that
> > when
> > it was finished formatting the Disk Manger told me that the 300 gig drive
> > had
> > quite a bit less than 300 gigs but I attributed that to the disk reserving
> > space for it's own disk management. This last weekend I installed a third
> > hard drive (750 gig). Again I used Windows Disk Manager to format the new
> > drive. After formatting the Disk Manager tells me 694.2 gigs are
> > available.
> > That is 50 gigs unaccounted for. I have looked for hidden files on the
> > disk
> > but none are reported. Both the 300 and 750 gig drives were formatted for
> > Basic, single partition, NTSF file structure - both are for data/file
> > storage
> > only. All of my HD(s) are Western Digital Caviar series with SATA. Can
> > anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or where the missing HD gig space is
> > being allocated? And more importantly, how do I make those many, many
> > gigs
> > available for my storage?
>
> It's the Marketing Department's fault. Here's the deal: To bump their
> numbers up, hard drive manufacturers define 1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
> However, historically in CS we use multiples of 1,024 to define memory.
> This means that 1 GB in CS terms is 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 = 1,073,741,824
> bytes. The OS is reporting the memory in multiples of 1,024, while the hard
> drive manufacturer's marketing department is inflating their numbers by
> using multiples of 1,000 even. If you multiply the 694.2 number by (1,024 *
> 1,024 * 1,024), you'll get 745,391,574,220.8, which is much closer to your
> expected 750 GB. The difference can probably be accounted for by rounding.
>
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:39 pm
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"Tim L" <TimL DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you Mike,
>
> I can live with this, not happily but OK. I am trying to get my arms
> around
> this. If I understand this correctly the OS reporting is the numer I
> should
> be going by for actual memory available where as the advertised number is
> a
> rounded up. Wow, 50 gigs worth of rounding up? I used to have a higher
> opinon of Western Digital than I am feeling right now \Sad
>
> "Mike C#" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tim L" <TimL DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:38DB661B-AF37-4274-8292-21C795ECF60C@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi there,
>> >
>> > I use Windows XP Pro 32 bit, service pack 2, Pent. 4 at 2.8 GH, ASUS
>> > mother
>> > board, SATA HD(s) and USB 2.0. This is a custom system I built about 2
>> > years
>> > ago. My main drive is C:/ (500 gig), I formatted right out of the box.
>> > It
>> > works as expected. The second drive I added (300 gig) was also brand
>> > new
>> > out
>> > of the box. I formatted it using Windows Disk Manager. I noticed that
>> > when
>> > it was finished formatting the Disk Manger told me that the 300 gig
>> > drive
>> > had
>> > quite a bit less than 300 gigs but I attributed that to the disk
>> > reserving
>> > space for it's own disk management. This last weekend I installed a
>> > third
>> > hard drive (750 gig). Again I used Windows Disk Manager to format the
>> > new
>> > drive. After formatting the Disk Manager tells me 694.2 gigs are
>> > available.
>> > That is 50 gigs unaccounted for. I have looked for hidden files on the
>> > disk
>> > but none are reported. Both the 300 and 750 gig drives were formatted
>> > for
>> > Basic, single partition, NTSF file structure - both are for data/file
>> > storage
>> > only. All of my HD(s) are Western Digital Caviar series with SATA.
>> > Can
>> > anyone tell me what I am doing wrong or where the missing HD gig space
>> > is
>> > being allocated? And more importantly, how do I make those many, many
>> > gigs
>> > available for my storage?
>>
>> It's the Marketing Department's fault. Here's the deal: To bump their
>> numbers up, hard drive manufacturers define 1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
>> However, historically in CS we use multiples of 1,024 to define memory.
>> This means that 1 GB in CS terms is 1,024 * 1,024 * 1,024 = 1,073,741,824
>> bytes. The OS is reporting the memory in multiples of 1,024, while the
>> hard
>> drive manufacturer's marketing department is inflating their numbers by
>> using multiples of 1,000 even. If you multiply the 694.2 number by
>> (1,024 *
>> 1,024 * 1,024), you'll get 745,391,574,220.8, which is much closer to
>> your
>> expected 750 GB. The difference can probably be accounted for by
>> rounding.
>>
>>
>>

Just remember, it isn't just WD that does it. All drive manufacturers do
it!
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:57 pm
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"Tim L" <TimL DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you Mike,
>
> I can live with this, not happily but OK. I am trying to get my arms
> around
> this. If I understand this correctly the OS reporting is the numer I
> should
> be going by for actual memory available where as the advertised number is
> a
> rounded up. Wow, 50 gigs worth of rounding up? I used to have a higher
> opinon of Western Digital than I am feeling right now \Sad

The number reported by the OS is the number we use in IT and computer
science, the number printed on the box by the manufacturer is the number
used by their marketing department. As LVTravel pointed out, all hard drive
manufacturers do this because it inflates their numbers. Yes, the 50 gigs
is some serious "rounding" but not unexpected when you realize the
difference between the computer science calculation (1,024 bytes = 1 KB) and
the marketing calculation (1,000 bytes = 1 KB) is equivalent to over 73
million bytes difference per 1 GB. Multiply by 750 and you get about 50+ GB
difference Sad I seem to recall that way back in the day the HDD
manufacturers used to calculate using 1,024 bytes = 1 KB, but that was when
HDDs were extremely small (less than 1 GB).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:20 pm
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"Mike C#" <xyz RemoveThis @xyz.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tim L" <TimL RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4B6F8E54-5C92-46CC-BAEB-AB75FFA0D021@microsoft.com...
>> Thank you Mike,
>>
>> I can live with this, not happily but OK. I am trying to get my arms
>> around
>> this. If I understand this correctly the OS reporting is the numer I
>> should
>> be going by for actual memory available where as the advertised number is
>> a
>> rounded up. Wow, 50 gigs worth of rounding up? I used to have a higher
>> opinon of Western Digital than I am feeling right now \Sad
>
> The number reported by the OS is the number we use in IT and computer
> science, the number printed on the box by the manufacturer is the number
> used by their marketing department. As LVTravel pointed out, all hard
> drive manufacturers do this because it inflates their numbers. Yes, the
> 50 gigs is some serious "rounding" but not unexpected when you realize the
> difference between the computer science calculation (1,024 bytes = 1 KB)
> and the marketing calculation (1,000 bytes = 1 KB) is equivalent to over
> 73 million bytes difference per 1 GB. Multiply by 750 and you get about
> 50+ GB difference Sad I seem to recall that way back in the day the HDD
> manufacturers used to calculate using 1,024 bytes = 1 KB, but that was
> when HDDs were extremely small (less than 1 GB).

You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge and
impossible to fill.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:20 pm
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"M.I.5¾" <no.one.TakeThisOut@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike C#" <xyz.TakeThisOut@xyz.com> wrote in message
> news:OKH0ogXgIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Tim L" <TimL.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4B6F8E54-5C92-46CC-BAEB-AB75FFA0D021@microsoft.com...
>>> Thank you Mike,
>>>
>>> I can live with this, not happily but OK. I am trying to get my arms
>>> around
>>> this. If I understand this correctly the OS reporting is the numer I
>>> should
>>> be going by for actual memory available where as the advertised number
>>> is a
>>> rounded up. Wow, 50 gigs worth of rounding up? I used to have a higher
>>> opinon of Western Digital than I am feeling right now \Sad
>>
>> The number reported by the OS is the number we use in IT and computer
>> science, the number printed on the box by the manufacturer is the number
>> used by their marketing department. As LVTravel pointed out, all hard
>> drive manufacturers do this because it inflates their numbers. Yes, the
>> 50 gigs is some serious "rounding" but not unexpected when you realize
>> the difference between the computer science calculation (1,024 bytes = 1
>> KB) and the marketing calculation (1,000 bytes = 1 KB) is equivalent to
>> over 73 million bytes difference per 1 GB. Multiply by 750 and you get
>> about 50+ GB difference Sad I seem to recall that way back in the day the
>> HDD manufacturers used to calculate using 1,024 bytes = 1 KB, but that
>> was when HDDs were extremely small (less than 1 GB).
>
> You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge and
> impossible to fill.
>

I remember those days but not fondly. Once paid $500 for a 10 MB RLL drive
for a KayPro PC compatible system (originally $1250) that had a NEC V20
processor chip in it. Boy did I think I had died and gone to heaven when I
didn't have to put a 5 1/4" floppy in the A drive to boot the computer.
Went from there to a 386 processor equipped Gateway (when they really built
a good computer) that cost less than the original KayPro.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:09 am
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"M.I.5¾" <no.one.DeleteThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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> You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge and
> impossible to fill.

Yeah, back when 640KB was considered more memory than "anyone would ever
need" Smile I was actually thinking about the old 10 MB hard drives when I
wrote that, just didn't want to date myself too much Smile Geez, I can still
remember the thrill when I moved up to 20 MB!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:57 am
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"Mike C#" <xyz DeleteThis @xyz.com> wrote in message
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>
> "M.I.5¾" <no.one DeleteThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:47d53195$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>> You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge and
>> impossible to fill.
>
> Yeah, back when 640KB was considered more memory than "anyone would ever
> need" Smile I was actually thinking about the old 10 MB hard drives when I
> wrote that, just didn't want to date myself too much Smile Geez, I can still
> remember the thrill when I moved up to 20 MB!

640k of memory. Luxury. I was talking about the days when 4kb of memory
was adequate and a 4k expansion card (costing £~100) gave so much elbow room
as to be unbelievable*. A 78k floppy drive took some filling, but a 10Mb
winchester hard disk (and this was the top end of the size range!) was
positively unfillable. And to run that hard disk, you had to modify the ROM
code yourself to access it.

*And required another 3 Amps of power capability to power it.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:00 am
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"Mike C#" <xyz DeleteThis @xyz.com> wrote in message
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> "M.I.5¾" <no.one DeleteThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:47d53195$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>> You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge and
>> impossible to fill.
>
> Yeah, back when 640KB was considered more memory than "anyone would ever
> need" Smile I was actually thinking about the old 10 MB hard drives when I
> wrote that, just didn't want to date myself too much Smile Geez, I can still
> remember the thrill when I moved up to 20 MB!

Imagine my thrill in 1990 when I ran across a 300 MB ESDI drive and its
controller in a cabinet that came from ZDS when we moved out...it wasn't
new, but it was pretty darn fast and a lot more space than I needed. Today,
I got 300 MB chunks in my stool. (to paraphrase a famous movie quote.)

And before that, I once upgraded the RAM in my computer from 4k to 16k.
Soldered the chips on piggyback style.

-John O
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:18 pm
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"JohnO" <johno@!NOOSPAM!heathkit.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike C#" <xyz.TakeThisOut@xyz.com> wrote in message
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>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.TakeThisOut@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47d53195$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>> You mean the days when a 10 *Megabyte* hard disk was regarded as huge
>>> and impossible to fill.
>>
>> Yeah, back when 640KB was considered more memory than "anyone would ever
>> need" Smile I was actually thinking about the old 10 MB hard drives when I
>> wrote that, just didn't want to date myself too much Smile Geez, I can
>> still remember the thrill when I moved up to 20 MB!
>
> Imagine my thrill in 1990 when I ran across a 300 MB ESDI drive and its
> controller in a cabinet that came from ZDS when we moved out...it wasn't
> new, but it was pretty darn fast and a lot more space than I needed.
> Today, I got 300 MB chunks in my stool. (to paraphrase a famous movie
> quote.)
>
> And before that, I once upgraded the RAM in my computer from 4k to 16k.
> Soldered the chips on piggyback style.
>
> -John O
>

Really want to go back in time, my first job entailed programming an IBM
1401 mainframe in machine language, SPS or Autocoder. The machine had a
whopping 4K of Core memory and with very expensive add-ons could go to 16K.
Was a lot of fun back then. When I graduated to a TI-994A as my first
personal computer I thought I was in heaven with speech, basic and a color
TV for a monitor. Bought the floppy disk drive enclosure and it was bigger
than the computer. Did a lot of programming with that machine. Eventually
sold it for the same amount I paid for it about 3 years later.

Went on to purchase the KayPro. Now, I am sitting at a laptop with 2 GB
RAM, 120 GB internal HDD and USB attached another 3 drives with total of 1
TB of space, hooked to a 22" widescreen display, and am working wirelessly
60 feet away from my router and cable modem using my new Wireless N router
and USB network card. The whole rig cost less than the upgraded KayPro.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:37 pm
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"M.I.5¾" <no.one.DeleteThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> 640k of memory. Luxury. I was talking about the days when 4kb of memory
> was adequate and a 4k expansion card (costing £~100) gave so much elbow
> room as to be unbelievable*. A 78k floppy drive took some filling, but a
> 10Mb winchester hard disk (and this was the top end of the size range!)
> was positively unfillable. And to run that hard disk, you had to modify
> the ROM code yourself to access it.
>
> *And required another 3 Amps of power capability to power it.
>

Oh you wanna trade war stories? LOL. OK, I'm game - I used to have a
Commodore Vic-20 with 2K of RAM and no tape drive/floppy drive. I remember
spending hours typing in programs from the back of Compute!'s Gazette
magazine and then leaving the computer running for days on end, since I'd
lose the program as soon as I turned the power off Smile Hehe Smile
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:44 pm
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"LVTravel" <noone.RemoveThis@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> Really want to go back in time, my first job entailed programming an IBM
> 1401 mainframe in machine language, SPS or Autocoder. The machine had a
> whopping 4K of Core memory and with very expensive add-ons could go to
> 16K. Was a lot of fun back then. When I graduated to a TI-994A as my
> first personal computer I thought I was in heaven with speech, basic and a
> color TV for a monitor. Bought the floppy disk drive enclosure and it was
> bigger than the computer. Did a lot of programming with that machine.
> Eventually sold it for the same amount I paid for it about 3 years later.
>
> Went on to purchase the KayPro. Now, I am sitting at a laptop with 2 GB
> RAM, 120 GB internal HDD and USB attached another 3 drives with total of 1
> TB of space, hooked to a 22" widescreen display, and am working wirelessly
> 60 feet away from my router and cable modem using my new Wireless N router
> and USB network card. The whole rig cost less than the upgraded KayPro.
>

OK, I got one more good one for you since you guys wanna roll it wayyyy
back. Back in the late 70s I got to see my first "computer" (no not the
Pong game console) Smile My stepdad was a Chemistry professor at the local
university and he showed me a massive "analog computer" (I still have no
idea how the heck that thing worked) as well as the newest sensation on
campus - a digital computer with memory configured as 12-bit bytes Smile
Apparently the 8-bit byte was still competing with various other
configurations in a sort of VHS-vs.-Betamax showdown. Guess which one
turned out to be "Betamax"?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:05 am
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"Mike C#" <xyz RemoveThis @xyz.com> wrote in message
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> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> 640k of memory. Luxury. I was talking about the days when 4kb of memory
>> was adequate and a 4k expansion card (costing £~100) gave so much elbow
>> room as to be unbelievable*. A 78k floppy drive took some filling, but a
>> 10Mb winchester hard disk (and this was the top end of the size range!)
>> was positively unfillable. And to run that hard disk, you had to modify
>> the ROM code yourself to access it.
>>
>> *And required another 3 Amps of power capability to power it.
>>
>
> Oh you wanna trade war stories? LOL. OK, I'm game - I used to have a
> Commodore Vic-20 with 2K of RAM and no tape drive/floppy drive. I
> remember spending hours typing in programs from the back of Compute!'s
> Gazette magazine and then leaving the computer running for days on end,
> since I'd lose the program as soon as I turned the power off Smile Hehe Smile

VIC-20? That was donkey's years after the era, I'm talking about.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:45 am
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> "LVTravel" <noone DeleteThis @nothere.com> wrote in message
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>> Really want to go back in time, my first job entailed programming an IBM
>> 1401 mainframe in machine language, SPS or Autocoder. The machine had a
>> whopping 4K of Core memory and with very expensive add-ons could go to
>> 16K. Was a lot of fun back then. When I graduated to a TI-994A as my
>> first personal computer I thought I was in heaven with speech, basic and
>> a color TV for a monitor. Bought the floppy disk drive enclosure and it
>> was bigger than the computer. Did a lot of programming with that
>> machine. Eventually sold it for the same amount I paid for it about 3
>> years later.
>>
>> Went on to purchase the KayPro. Now, I am sitting at a laptop with 2 GB
>> RAM, 120 GB internal HDD and USB attached another 3 drives with total of
>> 1 TB of space, hooked to a 22" widescreen display, and am working
>> wirelessly 60 feet away from my router and cable modem using my new
>> Wireless N router and USB network card. The whole rig cost less than the
>> upgraded KayPro.
>>
>
> OK, I got one more good one for you since you guys wanna roll it wayyyy
> back. Back in the late 70s I got to see my first "computer" (no not the
> Pong game console) Smile My stepdad was a Chemistry professor at the local
> university and he showed me a massive "analog computer" (I still have no
> idea how the heck that thing worked) as well as the newest sensation on
> campus - a digital computer with memory configured as 12-bit bytes Smile
> Apparently the 8-bit byte was still competing with various other
> configurations in a sort of VHS-vs.-Betamax showdown. Guess which one
> turned out to be "Betamax"?

Pah! Luxury. You haven't even lived until you have had to progam a
Schlumberger Valve analogue computer built in the early 1970's.
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