Need to do an FULL Restore ??!

Sorry, I apparently misstated. I refer first to the machine's RESTORE
points. Nothing else. NONE of them work, tried three weeks apart from each
other.

I also have my brain in backwards. Installing OS on a small disk is not
going to save me anything since applications dump "stuff" into Windows. If
there is need to do a FULL Restore - disk is reformatted, etc - then the
appls will have to be reinstalled anyway regardless of what disk they are
on. Or is there a neat work-around to this??

WayneD


"peter" <peterk.TakeThisOut@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3XTVh.99970$aG1.53743@pd7urf3no...
> The question is what are you using for this "restore"??
> Most likely a Gateway Restore CD??............so if you pull the present C
> drive out of the system and install the 20g drive in its place will the
> "Restore" CD still recognize it as a Gateway and work???
> That's a question only Gateway can answer or you can try it.......since
> the original C drive is out there is nothing to damage on the drive.If it
> does not work put the old drive back in.If there are no programs on that
> 2nd drive I would even disconnect that drive.
>
> peter
> "WGD" <wgd.roaming.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:U%SVh.7665$xP.4556@trnddc04...
>> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old machine
>> (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all. Starting
>> the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a continuing
>> problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>>
>> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep data,
>> OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>>
>> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition the
>> current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
>> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
>> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really need a
>> hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>>
>> Restated:
>> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
>> into something else, then execute the full restore?
>>
>> Best,
>> WayneD
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Even if you managed to get the "SytemRestore"feature working in XP it will
not do a full restore...it was never intended for that purpose.It only saves
certain settings...it does not back up the whole of an Operating System.
The restore points basically put XP back to that point in time when the
restore point was taken......there is no option to "move" the OS to another
drive.I think you and Gateway were talking about different things...they
most likely meant a full System Restore(Recovery) from their Recovery CD and
you were talking Restore Points created by XP's System Restore feature.I
would look at the manual that came with the system and see if a "Repair"
installation was possible...this would safe your settings but set XP back to
when 1st installed.All updates would then need to be reapplied.
good luck
peter

"WGD" <wgd.roaming RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DqUVh.1575$Da6.1139@trnddc02...
> Sorry, I apparently misstated. I refer first to the machine's RESTORE
> points. Nothing else. NONE of them work, tried three weeks apart from
> each other.
>
> I also have my brain in backwards. Installing OS on a small disk is not
> going to save me anything since applications dump "stuff" into Windows.
> If there is need to do a FULL Restore - disk is reformatted, etc - then
> the appls will have to be reinstalled anyway regardless of what disk they
> are on. Or is there a neat work-around to this??
>
> WayneD
>
>
> "peter" <peterk RemoveThis @nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:3XTVh.99970$aG1.53743@pd7urf3no...
>> The question is what are you using for this "restore"??
>> Most likely a Gateway Restore CD??............so if you pull the present
>> C drive out of the system and install the 20g drive in its place will the
>> "Restore" CD still recognize it as a Gateway and work???
>> That's a question only Gateway can answer or you can try it.......since
>> the original C drive is out there is nothing to damage on the drive.If it
>> does not work put the old drive back in.If there are no programs on that
>> 2nd drive I would even disconnect that drive.
>>
>> peter
>> "WGD" <wgd.roaming RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:U%SVh.7665$xP.4556@trnddc04...
>>> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old
>>> machine (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all.
>>> Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a
>>> continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>>>
>>> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep data,
>>> OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>>>
>>> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition the
>>> current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
>>> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
>>> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really need a
>>> hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>>>
>>> Restated:
>>> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
>>> into something else, then execute the full restore?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> WayneD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a
continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".

What exactly happens when the start up fails? Your problem might be hardware
related.

--


Harry Ohrn MS MVP [Shell\User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


"WGD" <wgd.roaming DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
news:U%SVh.7665$xP.4556@trnddc04...
> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old machine
> (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all. Starting the
> machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a continuing
> problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>
> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep data, OE
> stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>
> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition the
> current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really need a
> hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>
> Restated:
> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C' into
> something else, then execute the full restore?
>
> Best,
> WayneD
>
>
>

WGD wrote:
> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old
> machine (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all.
> Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is
> a continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".

I think in this case, what Gateway meant was to do a full XP reinstall.
Boot from the OS CD, and go. I say this because the Restore feature of
windows to past Restore points can not restore the whole machine, and there
would be no such thing as a "full" restore with the restore point.

>
> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep
> data, OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.

Good plan.
>
> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition
> the current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really
> need a hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?

Not necessary, really. Just pop the XP operating system CD into the drive
and boot from it. It'll lead you through a full restore. It will, with
your pressing keys, delete and then add partition/s, format and then the
system.
>
> Restated:
> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
> into something else, then execute the full restore?

Yes, you could, but it would probably make more sense to partition the C
drive, IFF you have the room, into two drives, one of them being for data.
I don't see much sense in adding a tiny hard drive like that; you could run
out of space easily enough.
But the "full restore" still isn't the Restore point: It's the operating
system as I mentioned above, I'm pretty sure.

Curious: Does Gateway still provide an actual XP operating system CD?

HTH
Pop`

>
> Best,
> WayneD

Thank You for asking.

Warm boot (restart) ~ Windows load screen (moving blue bar, large Window
logo) continues on 'forever'. The only way I know to stop it is to power
off.

Now a Cold boot ~ the disk runs at HIGH speed - disk lite FULL on, no
flicker. Only way to stop is a power off.

This action occurs 2-3 times, then . . . . (next action, it 'catches')

By 'catching' refers to action where HD runs, its lite flickers - a DOS-like
screen appears - words 'Start Windows Normal' are highlighted. Pressing key
moves process forward. Windows loads (as expected) and account names
appear. All is fine. When that DOS-like screen does NOT appear, I have to
go back to the Cold boot cycle noted above. That is why I called this
"catches".

BTW, for another poster, Thank You, I understand the Full Restore which is
what Gateway wants me to do (and Windows' Restore to a point/date, a
function totally separate from a Full Restore). Since applications dump
stuff in files within Windows, this is really an annoyance. In the
corporate world, when they experience a similar problem, an OS problem, do
they execute a Full Restore?? Kind of doubt it, though I could be wrong.
(I have a few applications where the DLLs are stored in folders along with
the application.) Why can't this be done with MS Office, for example?

Thanks for taking the time to help me (and maybe others)
Wayne Dengel




"Harry Ohrn" <harry--- DeleteThis @webtree.ca> wrote in message
news:uzRbRd1gHHA.392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a
> continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>
> What exactly happens when the start up fails? Your problem might be
> hardware related.
>
> --
>
>
> Harry Ohrn MS MVP [Shell\User]
> www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
>
>
> "WGD" <wgd.roaming DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:U%SVh.7665$xP.4556@trnddc04...
>> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old machine
>> (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all. Starting
>> the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a continuing
>> problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>>
>> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep data,
>> OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>>
>> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition the
>> current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
>> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
>> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really need a
>> hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>>
>> Restated:
>> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
>> into something else, then execute the full restore?
>>
>> Best,
>> WayneD
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Pop: You asked:

> Curious: Does Gateway still provide an actual XP operating system CD?

Right now I am going round 'n round with Gateway on this. One side of
Gateway's support say Yes, at twice the cost of their Full Restore disk -
$20.oo - which is then $40.oo. Another support rep said $365.oo plus $7.xx
shipping.

I bought the machine at Best Buy - was a good deal. etc. The rep went to a
Gatway support screen and pulled up a price of $56.oo for the XP OS CD.

Confused? I am!

If no satisfaction, next will be a letter to Gateway's President with copies
of e-mails received from his reps.

Wayne



"Poprivet" <poprivet RemoveThis @devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:%23EZusw1gHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> WGD wrote:
>> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old
>> machine (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all.
>> Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is
>> a continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>
> I think in this case, what Gateway meant was to do a full XP reinstall.
> Boot from the OS CD, and go. I say this because the Restore feature of
> windows to past Restore points can not restore the whole machine, and
> there would be no such thing as a "full" restore with the restore point.
>
>>
>> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep
>> data, OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>
> Good plan.
>>
>> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition
>> the current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
>> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
>> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really
>> need a hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>
> Not necessary, really. Just pop the XP operating system CD into the drive
> and boot from it. It'll lead you through a full restore. It will, with
> your pressing keys, delete and then add partition/s, format and then the
> system.
>>
>> Restated:
>> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
>> into something else, then execute the full restore?
>
> Yes, you could, but it would probably make more sense to partition the C
> drive, IFF you have the room, into two drives, one of them being for data.
> I don't see much sense in adding a tiny hard drive like that; you could
> run out of space easily enough.
> But the "full restore" still isn't the Restore point: It's the
> operating system as I mentioned above, I'm pretty sure.
>
> Curious: Does Gateway still provide an actual XP operating system CD?
>
> HTH
> Pop`
>
>>
>> Best,
>> WayneD
>
>
>

This sounds like hardware. Likely culprits are power supply or motherboard.


WGD wrote:
> Thank You for asking.
>
> Warm boot (restart) ~ Windows load screen (moving blue bar, large Window
> logo) continues on 'forever'. The only way I know to stop it is to power
> off.
>
> Now a Cold boot ~ the disk runs at HIGH speed - disk lite FULL on, no
> flicker. Only way to stop is a power off.
>
> This action occurs 2-3 times, then . . . . (next action, it 'catches')
>
> By 'catching' refers to action where HD runs, its lite flickers - a DOS-like
> screen appears - words 'Start Windows Normal' are highlighted. Pressing key
> moves process forward. Windows loads (as expected) and account names
> appear. All is fine. When that DOS-like screen does NOT appear, I have to
> go back to the Cold boot cycle noted above. That is why I called this
> "catches".
>
> BTW, for another poster, Thank You, I understand the Full Restore which is
> what Gateway wants me to do (and Windows' Restore to a point/date, a
> function totally separate from a Full Restore). Since applications dump
> stuff in files within Windows, this is really an annoyance. In the
> corporate world, when they experience a similar problem, an OS problem, do
> they execute a Full Restore?? Kind of doubt it, though I could be wrong.
> (I have a few applications where the DLLs are stored in folders along with
> the application.) Why can't this be done with MS Office, for example?
>
> Thanks for taking the time to help me (and maybe others)
> Wayne Dengel
>
>
>
>
> "Harry Ohrn" <harry---.RemoveThis@webtree.ca> wrote in message
> news:uzRbRd1gHHA.392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> "Starting the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a
>> continuing problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>>
>> What exactly happens when the start up fails? Your problem might be
>> hardware related.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Harry Ohrn MS MVP [Shell\User]
>> www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
>>
>>
>> "WGD" <wgd.roaming.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:U%SVh.7665$xP.4556@trnddc04...
>>> Gateway has advised that I execute a FULL Restore on my 3 mth old machine
>>> (dual core AMD job). The Restore points do not work at all. Starting
>>> the machine, whether a cold boot or a simple/warm Restart is a continuing
>>> problem.... requires many attempts until one "catches".
>>>
>>> I have a second 40G drive partitioned into 3 - place where I keep data,
>>> OE stuff, etc. Only the applications and OS are on 'C'.
>>>
>>> Could I add a 15-20G drive, make it 'C' for OS only, then partition the
>>> current 'C' into other 'drives' for data, etc??
>>> How would I add a new small drive, label it 'C', then execute a Full
>>> Restore to the new drive? Is the question clear? I don't really need a
>>> hugh 'C' (physical) drive.Right?
>>>
>>> Restated:
>>> Could I add a 15-20G and label it 'C' ? Then relabel the current 'C'
>>> into something else, then execute the full restore?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> WayneD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>