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External Since: Apr 28, 2006 Posts: 11

"John Navas" <spamfilter0 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> In <b3glh3-i8l.ln1 RemoveThis @remote.clifto.com> on Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:55:07 -0500,
> clifto <clifto RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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>>John Navas wrote:
>>> clifto <clifto RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Spectrum wrote:
>>>>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>>>>> them in.
>>>
>>>>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>>>>be an invitation.
>>>
>>> You still have to invite them in.
>>
>>Problem with that is that you don't always know you're doing so, as
>>long as you run a browser with JS enabled. I don't know if I'd consider
>>that an invitation as much as an exploitation of the ignorance of the
>>average web user.
>
> You have to allow something to run or install, which I call an invitation.
> If you don't know you're doing so, then I'd say you're not paying
> attention.
>
agreed.

External Since: Apr 28, 2006 Posts: 11

"clifto" <clifto.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Navas wrote:
>> clifto <clifto.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>John Navas wrote:
>>>> clifto <clifto.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Spectrum wrote:
>>>>>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>>>>>> them in.
>>>>
>>>>>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>>>>>be an invitation.
>>>>
>>>> You still have to invite them in.
>>>
>>>Problem with that is that you don't always know you're doing so, as
>>>long as you run a browser with JS enabled. I don't know if I'd consider
>>>that an invitation as much as an exploitation of the ignorance of the
>>>average web user.
>>
>> You have to allow something to run or install, which I call an
>> invitation.
>> If you don't know you're doing so, then I'd say you're not paying
>> attention.
>
> I have several friends who are quite expert who've been trojaned
> and/or virused through Javascript exploits.

Then they are no where near as smart as they think they are !!

> I have another friend
> who brings his computer here every few months; he knows better
> than to give explicit permission to ANY web thingy that wants
> to run, he doesn't open e-mail unless he knows the sender, and
> yet he somehow ends up with ten or fifteen unfriendlyware items
> on his computer.
>

Obviously he *doesn't* know better, he should try and learn about viruses,
how you get them, what they look like and how to *really* stop them.
I consider myself fairly expert but no one knows everything, i used Win9xand
now XP for quite some time, i haven't had a single viruses or trojan for
over 10 years or more, i used to get some when i was new to it all but now i
know exactly how not to get them - ever.
Although i realise there is always a risk, but i would know about it if i
had something, it's like you car, you should know yor computer and how it
runs, if it starts making a strange rattling noise you find out what it is.

>
> "When a user accesses the infected web page, the appended
> JavaScript downloads a file from a Russian website to the
> user's desktop, without any user intervention."
>

> So no, you don't have to allow something to run or install. It
> can run and install itself quite capably without permission.
>

There are certainly vulnerabilities/exploits, especially with java and
activeX but Microsoft have succeded in securing XP quite well now and are
keeping up with new exploits quite well, so unless you are running an
unpatched system with poor security it's pretty unlikely this would ever
happen, and a file downloaded to your desktop would do nothing unless you
open it, but by then, if you have a decent AV program it should already be
neutralised.