motorola or mobile phone tools

I use you're site and others for programs. Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including a
router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware spy bot
etc, so check to see if you're protection is working, as I just noticed that
somehow my second machine somehow turned it's virus program off. I am very
diligent with this stuff on a nightly basis, I update all security programs,
and adware scan every night. If it got tru me, it can get to anyone. In 10
yrs I never had anything get past me, and my machines run 15 hours per day,
for 7 or 8 years now. This somehow corrupted the data on both drives in one
of my machines making chkdsk and fix boot, impossible, it also took a
section of the ntfs partition, and re wrote it, go figure
"John Navas" <spamfilter0.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>
> In <8YqdnctJC_FDQNvZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d.DeleteThis@comcast.com> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
> 18:04:09
> -0700, "gymowner" <gymowner.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I lost my hard drive with 5 years worth of work on it, including all my
>>documents, "I'm a trader', all my documents and music, etc, back up was
>>trashed,
>
> Really? How? I check my own backup every time, and I know it to be good.
>
>>there is something going around, that re -formatted my drive, so be
>>careful.
>
> That's been true for years. You know that ... right?
>
>>If anyone has a copy of "phone tools", I'd appreciate a link, as I
>>lost my email with every ebay transaction on it, and can't find who I
>>purchased it from. thanks
>
> That would be illegal. You need to contact BVRP or Motorola. Or just buy
> a
> new copy for only $10 or so.
>
> --
> Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:23:16 -0700, "gymowner" <gymowner.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I use you're site and others for programs. Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
>past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including a
>router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware spy bot

I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
them in.

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:47:46 -0500, Spectrum <none.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:23:16 -0700, "gymowner" <gymowner.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>I use you're site and others for programs. Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
>>past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including a
>>router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware spy bot
>
>I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>them in.
good one, spectrum.

"gymowner" <gymowner DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
> past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including
> a router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware
> spy bot etc, so check to see if you're protection is working, as I
> just noticed that somehow my second machine somehow turned it's virus
> program off. I am very diligent with this stuff on a nightly basis, I
> update all security programs, and adware scan every night. If it got
> tru me, it can get to anyone. In 10 yrs I never had anything get past
> me, and my machines run 15 hours per day, for 7 or 8 years now. This
> somehow corrupted the data on both drives in one of my machines making
> chkdsk and fix boot, impossible, it also took a section of the ntfs
> partition, and re wrote it, go figure
>

I consider "backup" making data available from another source.Like backing
up files to another hard drive, be it internal or external,to a CD/DVD
disk,ect.

Are you saying you do not backup any of your "machines" like that?

--

Spectrum wrote:
> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
> them in.

Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
be an invitation.

--
All relevant people are pertinent.
All rude people are impertinent.
Therefore, no rude people are relevant.
-- Solomon W. Golomb

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In <4LadnWMeCpQBY9vZ4p2dnA.RemoveThis@comcast.com> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:23:16 -0700,
"gymowner" <gymowner.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

>I use you're site and others for programs.

I run no such site, and I don't use unreliable sources for programs.

>Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
>past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including a
>router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware spy bot
>etc,

You probably installed it yourself inadvertently.

>so check to see if you're protection is working, as I just noticed that
>somehow my second machine somehow turned it's virus program off.

My protection is *always* working.

>I am very
>diligent with this stuff on a nightly basis, I update all security programs,
>and adware scan every night. If it got tru me, it can get to anyone.

You're clearly overestimating yourself, as evidenced by the fact that you lost
everything. I don't get seriously infected, but even if I did, my backups
would fully protect me.

>In 10
>yrs I never had anything get past me, and my machines run 15 hours per day,
>for 7 or 8 years now. This somehow corrupted the data on both drives in one
>of my machines making chkdsk and fix boot, impossible, it also took a
>section of the ntfs partition, and re wrote it, go figure

There's no way for backup to be "trashed" if you know what you're doing. My
own backups are on offline DVD-R discs that can't be "trashed" by *any* virus.

I'm sorry for your misfortune, but you really shouldn't be making excuses,
much less asking for handouts that might well be illegit, especially when
legit replacement is so inexpensive.

Should we also replace the $10 bill you say you lost last week?

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0.RemoveThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:kGB1g.23712$az4.17825@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> In <8YqdnctJC_FDQNvZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
>> 18:04:09
>> -0700, "gymowner" <gymowner.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I lost my hard drive with 5 years worth of work on it, including all my
>>>documents, "I'm a trader', all my documents and music, etc, back up was
>>>trashed,
>>
>> Really? How? I check my own backup every time, and I know it to be good.
>>
>>>there is something going around, that re -formatted my drive, so be
>>>careful.
>>
>> That's been true for years. You know that ... right?
>>
>>>If anyone has a copy of "phone tools", I'd appreciate a link, as I
>>>lost my email with every ebay transaction on it, and can't find who I
>>>purchased it from. thanks
>>
>> That would be illegal. You need to contact BVRP or Motorola. Or just buy
>> a
>> new copy for only $10 or so.

--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <spamfilter0.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>
> In <4LadnWMeCpQBY9vZ4p2dnA.DeleteThis@comcast.com> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
> 20:23:16 -0700,
> "gymowner" <gymowner.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I use you're site and others for programs.
>
> I run no such site, and I don't use unreliable sources for programs.
>
>>Somehow this Trojan or virus, got
>>past 2 virus programs, and several other protective programs including a
>>router with it's own security, and a fire wall, along with adware spy bot
>>etc,
>
> You probably installed it yourself inadvertently.
>
>>so check to see if you're protection is working, as I just noticed that
>>somehow my second machine somehow turned it's virus program off.
>
> My protection is *always* working.
>
>>I am very
>>diligent with this stuff on a nightly basis, I update all security
>>programs,
>>and adware scan every night. If it got tru me, it can get to anyone.
>
> You're clearly overestimating yourself, as evidenced by the fact that you
> lost
> everything. I don't get seriously infected, but even if I did, my backups
> would fully protect me.
>
>>In 10
>>yrs I never had anything get past me, and my machines run 15 hours per
>>day,
>>for 7 or 8 years now. This somehow corrupted the data on both drives in
>>one
>>of my machines making chkdsk and fix boot, impossible, it also took a
>>section of the ntfs partition, and re wrote it, go figure
>
> There's no way for backup to be "trashed" if you know what you're doing.
> My
> own backups are on offline DVD-R discs that can't be "trashed" by *any*
> virus.
>
> I'm sorry for your misfortune, but you really shouldn't be making excuses,
> much less asking for handouts that might well be illegit, especially when
> legit replacement is so inexpensive.
>
> Should we also replace the $10 bill you say you lost last week?
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter0.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>news:kGB1g.23712$az4.17825@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>> In <8YqdnctJC_FDQNvZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d.DeleteThis@comcast.com> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
>>> 18:04:09
>>> -0700, "gymowner" <gymowner.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I lost my hard drive with 5 years worth of work on it, including all
>>>>my
>>>>documents, "I'm a trader', all my documents and music, etc, back up was
>>>>trashed,
>>>
>>> Really? How? I check my own backup every time, and I know it to be
>>> good.
>>>
>>>>there is something going around, that re -formatted my drive, so be
>>>>careful.
>>>
>>> That's been true for years. You know that ... right?
>>>
>>>>If anyone has a copy of "phone tools", I'd appreciate a link, as I
>>>>lost my email with every ebay transaction on it, and can't find who I
>>>>purchased it from. thanks
>>>
>>> That would be illegal. You need to contact BVRP or Motorola. Or just
>>> buy
>>> a
>>> new copy for only $10 or so.
>
> --
> Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Try ebay
...
bamp

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In <nu1lh3-2at.ln1.DeleteThis@remote.clifto.com> on Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:53:43 -0500,
clifto <clifto.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Spectrum wrote:

>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>> them in.

>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>be an invitation.

You still have to invite them in.

--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:
> clifto <clifto RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>Spectrum wrote:
>>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>>> them in.
>
>>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>>be an invitation.
>
> You still have to invite them in.

Problem with that is that you don't always know you're doing so, as
long as you run a browser with JS enabled. I don't know if I'd consider
that an invitation as much as an exploitation of the ignorance of the
average web user.

--
All relevant people are pertinent.
All rude people are impertinent.
Therefore, no rude people are relevant.
-- Solomon W. Golomb

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In <b3glh3-i8l.ln1.TakeThisOut@remote.clifto.com> on Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:55:07 -0500,
clifto <clifto.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>> clifto <clifto.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Spectrum wrote:
>>>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>>>> them in.
>>
>>>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>>>be an invitation.
>>
>> You still have to invite them in.
>
>Problem with that is that you don't always know you're doing so, as
>long as you run a browser with JS enabled. I don't know if I'd consider
>that an invitation as much as an exploitation of the ignorance of the
>average web user.

You have to allow something to run or install, which I call an invitation.
If you don't know you're doing so, then I'd say you're not paying attention.

--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:
> clifto <clifto.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> clifto <clifto.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Spectrum wrote:
>>>>> I've found that virus programs are like vampires. You have to invite
>>>>> them in.
>>>
>>>>Somewhat true, if you consider browing with Javascript enabled to
>>>>be an invitation.
>>>
>>> You still have to invite them in.
>>
>>Problem with that is that you don't always know you're doing so, as
>>long as you run a browser with JS enabled. I don't know if I'd consider
>>that an invitation as much as an exploitation of the ignorance of the
>>average web user.
>
> You have to allow something to run or install, which I call an invitation.
> If you don't know you're doing so, then I'd say you're not paying attention.

I have several friends who are quite expert who've been trojaned
and/or virused through Javascript exploits. I have another friend
who brings his computer here every few months; he knows better
than to give explicit permission to ANY web thingy that wants
to run, he doesn't open e-mail unless he knows the sender, and
yet he somehow ends up with ten or fifteen unfriendlyware items
on his computer.

I had, but apparently didn't keep, a URL for a site that showed
lots of Javascript exploits, some of which were quite nasty, and
not one of which asked for permission to run.

Just did a quickie search and found
<http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=javascript+exploits&c=main&rtq=0&d=200704732261>
(archive, original no longer available) which says:

"The Scob Trojan is a VBScript utility which targets Microsoft
IIS servers, that appends a malicious JavaScript to web pages
in the compromised web server.

"When a user accesses the infected web page, the appended
JavaScript downloads a file from a Russian website to the
user's desktop, without any user intervention."

So no, you don't have to allow something to run or install. It
can run and install itself quite capably without permission.

--
All relevant people are pertinent.
All rude people are impertinent.
Therefore, no rude people are relevant.
-- Solomon W. Golomb

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In <55cmh3-g1m.ln1.RemoveThis@remote.clifto.com> on Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:53:56 -0500,
clifto <clifto.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:

>> You have to allow something to run or install, which I call an invitation.
>> If you don't know you're doing so, then I'd say you're not paying attention.
>
>I have several friends who are quite expert who've been trojaned
>and/or virused through Javascript exploits.

Then, and with all due respect, they weren't paying attention.

>I have another friend
>who brings his computer here every few months; he knows better
>than to give explicit permission to ANY web thingy that wants
>to run, he doesn't open e-mail unless he knows the sender, and
>yet he somehow ends up with ten or fifteen unfriendlyware items
>on his computer.

He's missing something he's doing.

>I had, but apparently didn't keep, a URL for a site that showed
>lots of Javascript exploits, some of which were quite nasty, and
>not one of which asked for permission to run.
>
>Just did a quickie search and found
><http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=javascript+exploits&c=main&rtq=0&d=200704732261>
>(archive, original no longer available) which says:
>
> "The Scob Trojan is a VBScript utility which targets Microsoft
> IIS servers, that appends a malicious JavaScript to web pages
> in the compromised web server.
>
> "When a user accesses the infected web page, the appended
> JavaScript downloads a file from a Russian website to the
> user's desktop, without any user intervention."
>
>So no, you don't have to allow something to run or install. It
>can run and install itself quite capably without permission.

Actually you do have to run and install it -- even taking this at face value
-- something downloaded to your desktop but not run or installed is harmless.

Bottom line: You haven't proved your case.

--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>