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DanG

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:45 am
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We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.

My wife paid extra last renewal for a Nokia 6101 phone over a year
ago. The phone screen scratched within a month to almost
unreadable, but we were told that was not guaranteed or warranted
and were told it was our problem (beginning of losing a customer).
The phone completely quit working, so she went to the local store
at the shopping center and they gave her a new duplicate phone and
the return box. Due to several severe snow and ice storms, she
did not get the return phone mailed out in time, but called and
informed T-mobile that the storm was preventing getting to the
post office. Our bad.

T-mobile billed our credit card for over $170 for the not returned
phone - that's fine, it was our fault despite extenuating
circumstances and phone notice which T-mobile acknowledges. She
called daily until they verified receipt of the phone 2 or 3 days
later I think. On March 9th, once they physically had the phone,
she asked to have the money put back into our credit card account
and was told the money had to be sent by check and that would be
done on the 12th of March, a fact verified by T-mobile.today The
credit department chose to hold the money for the March and
subsequent bills rather than return the money as promised. She
only found out today that her refund was being posted to future
billings today. We are able to absorb the financial issues, it is
the principle of taking someone's money, refusing to return it,
and keeping the use of the money for over 2 months. This would
have been devastating for her mother on fixed income, and I am
sure for other folks.

They've ticked off the wrong lady this time. She spent 45 minutes
with them this morning with no satisfaction, several people saying
the situation made no sense and was not normal policy, but in the
end, just "tough luck". A nice, "gee, I'm sorry . . " would have
gone a long way this morning, especially if there had been any
thanks for the loyalty or let us give you an accessory or
something.

One last and final tick off. They charged a restocking fee for
the returned phone. What is the restocking fee for on a returned
phone? No one could tell us this morning other than "policy".

I've always been pleased with T-mobile until this. She wanted to
switch previously, but I talked her out of it. Ain't going to
happen this time. Any recommendations or cautions about changing
carrier?

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Steven J. Sobol

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:08 am
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In article <ma2Oh.83631$ia7.65588@newsfe14.lga>, DanG wrote:
> We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.
>
> My wife paid extra last renewal for a Nokia 6101 phone over a year
> ago. The phone screen scratched within a month to almost
> unreadable, but we were told that was not guaranteed or warranted
> and were told it was our problem (beginning of losing a customer).

Most cell phone warranties last a year. Out-of-warranty is
out-of-warranty.

> the principle of taking someone's money, refusing to return it,
> and keeping the use of the money for over 2 months. This would
> have been devastating for her mother on fixed income, and I am
> sure for other folks.

I'd be irritated too.



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Steven J. Sobol

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:36 pm
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In article <slrnf0hd7e.q62.sjsobol.TakeThisOut@amethyst.justthe.net>, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <ma2Oh.83631$ia7.65588@newsfe14.lga>, DanG wrote:
>> We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.
>>
>> My wife paid extra last renewal for a Nokia 6101 phone over a year
>> ago. The phone screen scratched within a month to almost
>> unreadable, but we were told that was not guaranteed or warranted
>> and were told it was our problem (beginning of losing a customer).
>
> Most cell phone warranties last a year. Out-of-warranty is
> out-of-warranty.

Heh. I just re-read the original post. The length of the warranty is
irrelevant in this case (sorry)


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Joey DoWop Dee

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:18 pm
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:43 -0400, DanG wrote:

> We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.

I'm really disappointed to hear that. I've always had very good experiences
with their service reps, with excellent outcomes. This doesn't sound typical
to me, and it's especially bad if they end up losing a 10-year customer.

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Brian Beuchaw

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:23 pm
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Joey DoWop Dee <jwd511.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:43 -0400, DanG wrote:
>
> > We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.
>
> I'm really disappointed to hear that. I've always had very good experiences
> with their service reps, with excellent outcomes. This doesn't sound typical
> to me, and it's especially bad if they end up losing a 10-year customer.

Sad to say, this kind of "customer service" is *almost* the norm from big
American corporations nowadays (yeah, there are exceptions, there always
are). It seems most companies (large mostly, but some smaller ones are
like this too) don't care about the customer at all, they just care about
the $$$ bottom line. If they tick you off and lose you, they don't care
since someone else will be along in about 3 minutes to replace your lost
business. Very few companies care that much about *retaining* business
today (from personal experience over the last few years with restaurants,
cellphone companies, retail establishments, et al).

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Joey DoWop Dee

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:53 pm
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:23:48 -0400, Brian Beuchaw wrote:

> Joey DoWop Dee <jwd511 DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:43 -0400, DanG wrote:
>>
>>> We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.
>>
>> I'm really disappointed to hear that. I've always had very good experiences
>> with their service reps, with excellent outcomes. This doesn't sound
>> typical
>> to me, and it's especially bad if they end up losing a 10-year customer.
>
> Sad to say, this kind of "customer service" is *almost* the norm from big
> American corporations nowadays (yeah, there are exceptions, there always
> are). It seems most companies (large mostly, but some smaller ones are
> like this too) don't care about the customer at all, they just care about
> the $$$ bottom line. If they tick you off and lose you, they don't care
> since someone else will be along in about 3 minutes to replace your lost
> business. Very few companies care that much about *retaining* business
> today (from personal experience over the last few years with restaurants,
> cellphone companies, retail establishments, et al).
>
> brian
>

I find this to be true with just about every *other* company, but not T-mo. I
recently had some business with them involving a few calls, and without
exception, everyone I spoke with was courteous, informed and helpful, and not
only that: they all made reference to "appreciating my business for the past
7 years..."

In my experience that's been the norm with T-mo, which is why I'm surprised
at the OP's bad experience.

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Cyrus Afzali

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:18 am
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Todd Allcock

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:43 pm
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At 05 Apr 2007 18:05:51 -0500 Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> Unfortunately they have to do HSDPA the hard way since they are short of
> 1900 MHz spectrum and that 1700/2100 MHz spectrum they apparently bought
> for this is supported by no currently existing devices.

Cingular's UMTS frequencies weren't supported by then-existing devices
until Cingular deployed them either- it's a chicken/egg thing. When T-Mo
finally rolls out 3G, they'll have the devices to support it.

> I'd still go back to T-Mobile in a minute if they'd just match
Cingular's
> international long distance and international roaming rates. I have
> occasional months when I run up big bills, and the difference between
> T-Mobile and Cingular international rates is more than enough to pay
> the excess price for Cingular's service for the rest of the year.

Hopefully they'll get around to fixing that one of these days, but I'm
surprised you don't use a pinless calling card that recognizes your
cellphone for international LD or a Voip service like Voicestick that
automatically routes your cellphone calls through their service to use
their LD rates.

While T-Mo's int'l roaming rates are high for voice, I think they've just
lowered int'l data from $15/MB to $6/MB.

> T-Mobile's basic voice plans are very nice but if you need anything
beyond
> that they are hopeless.

I'd say "behind the curve" is more accurate than hopeless. Wink
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Steven J. Sobol

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:54 am
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In article <slrnf1b06f.82.dcferguson.TakeThisOut@akit-ferguson.com>, Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> T-Mobile and Cingular international rates is more than enough to pay
> the excess price for Cingular's service for the rest of the year.
> T-Mobile's basic voice plans are very nice but if you need anything beyond
> that they are hopeless.

Yeah. I may at some point need domestic roaming, but I don't expect to
ever travel overseas. My nationwide share plan works quite well for
me. Smile


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Bill

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:13 am
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:28:48 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec.TakeThisOut@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>> Nokia was (until the end of the month) giving an additional $50 per
>> phone to 'NEW' customers, making for a $240 difference, 'NEW'
>> vs returning 'old', PLUS we'd of course have to sign up for another
>> two years.
>
>
>As would a new customer.

Right, I left out something else - the ''minutes'' plan we're on is
now $10 a month cheaper for 'New' sign-ups, we can have it but
we have to commit for two more years. Maybe I'd do that (sign up)
but our phones (batteries) are getting old so this started with, if I
gotta sign up to lower the rate, what new phones can I get.

Once I started doing the math, it became obvious what T-Mobile
is doing. Maybe they all do it. Pisses me off. Costs me $20/mo, too.

They use us, their long-time subscribers, to SUBSIDIZE the new
subscribers. Why should WE have to pay any more than the new
ones? Looking around, I gotta say there are plenty of alternatives
at the same or slightly lower cost, PLUS if we leave we probably
can jump every year or two, as long as these carriers continue to
offer incentives to SWITCH.

I wouldn't have considered it, but for NUMBER PORTABILITY.

To the 'rest of the world' I don't think they'll even know which
carrier we're with, unless we tell them (or a connection fails).

+++ Is there a list somewhere of cellular PLUS 802.xx phones?

I mean the TWO technologies in one handset?

I hear Cox is wiring our town this summer, WiFi everywhere, as
they are rolling out in forty places nationwide, as a test. I haven't
seen a WiFi phone yet, but somewhere on a podcast there was
mention of such things - I think maybe San Francisco?

Bill
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Brian Beuchaw

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:47 pm
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Bill <Bill.RemoveThis@sunsouthwest.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:23:48 +0000 (UTC), Brian Beuchaw
> <nospam.RemoveThis@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Joey DoWop Dee <jwd511.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:43 -0400, DanG wrote:
> >>
> >> > We've had T-mobile family plan service for almost 10 years.
> >>
> >> I'm really disappointed to hear that. I've always had very good experiences
> >> with their service reps, with excellent outcomes. This doesn't sound typical
> >> to me, and it's especially bad if they end up losing a 10-year customer.
> >
> >Sad to say, this kind of "customer service" is *almost* the norm from big
> >American corporations nowadays
>
> T-Mobile is a GERMAN company. We've had them for over five years.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Smile Doesn't make my statement completely
invalid, though, I hope - I wonder how much direction they take from
Germany or how completely autonomous the USA "business unit" (or whatever
they call it) is...

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:45 pm
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Search Google or Yahoo for the E-mail address of T-Mobile Executive
Relations. T-Mobile's warranty exchange center lost my Sidekick II and
refused to do anything about it for weeks. Finally contacted Executive
Relations due to recommendations in this newsgroup and had a replacement
within 3 days. In fact, T-Mobile sent me 2 replacement Sidekick IIs a few
weeks apart. I'm guessing Executive Relations and the warranty exchange
center didn't know what each other was doing.

"DanG" <dgriff23 RemoveThis @7cox.net> wrote in message
news:ma2Oh.83631$ia7.65588@newsfe14.lga...

> I've always been pleased with T-mobile until this. She wanted to switch
> previously, but I talked her out of it. Ain't going to happen this time.
> Any recommendations or cautions about changing carrier?
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