Phew!...Scratched Iphone replaced without a problem

{Prior author citations omited for lack of relevance and to cause
irritation}

At 13 Sep 2009 09:43:22 -0500 Jolly Roger wrote:


> > If we stay within the context of this thread, which was about a
> > _current_ iPhone owner who scratched his iPhone and sought a
> > replacement (under less than honest means, which I'm surprised no one
> > has mentioned!), we can agree that a replacement for a
> > lost/damaged/stolen iPhone would NOT be "$99" to someone with 23 months
> > to go on his two-year contract.
> >
> > A new 3GS, for that person, would be damn near $600 from AT&T, IIRC,
> > hence it's a "$600 phone."
>
> Only if you are a complete idiot.


Or an honest one...

What you suggest below is certainly gaming the system. You're leveraging
AT&T's standard one-size-fits-all-phones EFT vs. their abnormally high
iPhone subsidy.

> AT&T's early termination fee starts at $175 and is lowered $5 for every
> month for the term of the contract:
>
> <http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25390>
>
> (for those too stupid to use a news client that properly handles wrapped
> URLs, and too stupid to figure out how to put them together for viewing:
> <http://preview.tinyurl.com/23uyqy>)
>
> So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
> price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369.


Plus activation fee (still $36?), and first month's service ($40 minimum,
assuming a $10 family plan add-on plus mandatory data, rather than the $70
mnimum for a new line.)


> Or
> perhaps he would decide a iPhone 3G is enough and only pay $99 more, for
> a total of $269.
>
> Both of those figures are significantly less than $600.


The OP didn't opt for a 3G the first time, so why should he, or our
hypothetical strawman, opt for one now?

If we add the $75 or so activation and service to the subsidized price plus
term fee we're at nearly $450. It may not be the full $600, but it's a
damn sight closer to $600 than "$99."

And, whether you gaming the system or not to save the buck-fifty, $600 is
still the official AT&T unsubsidized price for non-elligible upgrades,
($700 for the 32GB:)

<http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/internet/iphone-faq.jsp>

Therefore, it can legitimately be described as a "$600 phone," Q.E.D.

Or, put another way: whose value estimation, and supporting argument, will
_you_ use with _your_ insurance company if your 3GS is ever lost or stolen?

In article <130920091054556373%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-65614D.09432113092009 DeleteThis @news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
> > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369. Or
> > perhaps he would decide a iPhone 3G is enough and only pay $99 more, for
> > a total of $269.
>
> you forgot two months of service

Pffft. He would pay that regardless since he already had a phone for
those two months. It doesn't figure into the equation. We're comparing
the price of the phones, not the service.

> > Both of those figures are significantly less than $600.
>
> only if you do the math wrong.

Nope. Try harder. We expect better.

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In article <Uy8rm.218171$vp.135013@newsfe12.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec.DeleteThis@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> {Prior author citations omited for lack of relevance and to cause
> irritation}
>
> At 13 Sep 2009 09:43:22 -0500 Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>
> > > If we stay within the context of this thread, which was about a
> > > _current_ iPhone owner who scratched his iPhone and sought a
> > > replacement (under less than honest means, which I'm surprised no one
> > > has mentioned!), we can agree that a replacement for a
> > > lost/damaged/stolen iPhone would NOT be "$99" to someone with 23 months
> > > to go on his two-year contract.
> > >
> > > A new 3GS, for that person, would be damn near $600 from AT&T, IIRC,
> > > hence it's a "$600 phone."
> >
> > Only if you are a complete idiot.
>
> Or an honest one...
>
> What you suggest below is certainly gaming the system. You're leveraging
> AT&T's standard one-size-fits-all-phones EFT vs. their abnormally high
> iPhone subsidy.

You've got to be kidding me. I talked with an AT&T representative who
recommend that I do exactly this when I inquired about trading my 3G for
a 3GS. It's a perfectly acceptable, and quite common, practice. Get real.

> > AT&T's early termination fee starts at $175 and is lowered $5 for every
> > month for the term of the contract:
> >
> > <http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25390>
> >
> > (for those too stupid to use a news client that properly handles wrapped
> > URLs, and too stupid to figure out how to put them together for viewing:
> > <http://preview.tinyurl.com/23uyqy>)
> >
> > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
> > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369.
>
> Plus activation fee (still $36?), and first month's service ($40 minimum,
> assuming a $10 family plan add-on plus mandatory data, rather than the $70
> mnimum for a new line.)

You'd pay for the service anyway with your old phone. Nice try.

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In article <michelle-543EF7.04502913092009.RemoveThis@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Sure there is, because only you and Joan Dope have problems with the URL.

Indeed. Link opens fine in Gravity.

In article <MPG.2517067e8a930779989a99 DeleteThis @news.individual.net>,
Jim Mason <_ DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <michelle-543EF7.04502913092009 DeleteThis @news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Sure there is, because only you and Joan Dope have problems with the URL.
>
> Indeed. Link opens fine in Gravity.

Works fine in most well-behaved news readers, actually. And besides,
anyone with half a brain cell can figure out how to make it work
manually.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <xtadnc6Pn5CfuzHXnZ2dnUVZ_rhi4p2d DeleteThis @speakeasy.net>,
> News <News DeleteThis @Groups.Name> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article <00f48c53$0$29279$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
>>> John Doe <jdoe DeleteThis @usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <000a3a80$0$24192$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com>, John Doe
>>>>> <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, a $600 bar of soap...
>>>>> iphones do not cost $600
>>>> How much you think and I phone costs, NoBrain?
>>> You need to get out more, numb nuts:
>>>
>>> Sep 11 2009, 05:20 PM EDT "Apple will indeed introduce a cheaper iPhone
>>> next week, the FT says--one that sells for $99 or $149."
>>>
>>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget
>> Your nuts would be numb if you listened to most of what Blodget spewed.
>
> Are you arguing Apple did not introduce a $99 iPhone?
>


Not inclusive of the ability to use it as intended they did not.

Do you argue otherwise?

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:jollyroger-18EDBB.10572213092009@news.individual.net...

>> > > If we stay within the context of this thread, which was about a
>> > > _current_ iPhone owner who scratched his iPhone and sought a
>> > > replacement (under less than honest means, which I'm surprised no one
>> > > has mentioned!), we can agree that a replacement for a
>> > > lost/damaged/stolen iPhone would NOT be "$99" to someone with 23
>> > > months
>> > > to go on his two-year contract.
>> > >
>> > > A new 3GS, for that person, would be damn near $600 from AT&T, IIRC,
>> > > hence it's a "$600 phone."
>> >
>> > Only if you are a complete idiot.
>>
>> Or an honest one...
>>
>> What you suggest below is certainly gaming the system. You're leveraging
>> AT&T's standard one-size-fits-all-phones EFT vs. their abnormally high
>> iPhone subsidy.
>
> You've got to be kidding me. I talked with an AT&T representative who
> recommend that I do exactly this when I inquired about trading my 3G for
> a 3GS. It's a perfectly acceptable, and quite common, practice. Get real.

Fine. It's still gaming the system. If AT&T wanted you to have a $450
unsubsidized iPhone 3GS, why did they set the no contract price at $600
instead of $450?

>> > AT&T's early termination fee starts at $175 and is lowered $5 for every
>> > month for the term of the contract:
>> >
>> > <http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25390>
>> >
>> > (for those too stupid to use a news client that properly handles
>> > wrapped
>> > URLs, and too stupid to figure out how to put them together for
>> > viewing:
>> > <http://preview.tinyurl.com/23uyqy>)
>> >
>> > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
>> > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369.
>>
>> Plus activation fee (still $36?), and first month's service ($40 minimum,
>> assuming a $10 family plan add-on plus mandatory data, rather than the
>> $70
>> mnimum for a new line.)
>
> You'd pay for the service anyway with your old phone. Nice try.

Again, assuming the original still-under-contract phone is
lost/stolen/whatever, you'd have TWO services to pay for- the original
phone's (still under contract, remember?) and the activation fees and first
month service for the new phone you're activating just to cancel it 31 days
later. Two services, not one.

Try again...

In article <130920091201446885%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-4BF7BA.10511713092009 RemoveThis @news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
> > > > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369.
> > > > Or
> > > > perhaps he would decide a iPhone 3G is enough and only pay $99 more,
> > > > for
> > > > a total of $269.
> > >
> > > you forgot two months of service
> >
> > Pffft. He would pay that regardless since he already had a phone for
> > those two months. It doesn't figure into the equation. We're comparing
> > the price of the phones, not the service.
>
> if you already have an iphone and 'lost' it, you either pay full price
> or buy a subsidized one on a *new* contract and then cancel. either
> way, it's not cheap.

*shrug* That goes for *any* similarly-priced smart phone. Big whoop.

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In article <B0arm.218356$vp.125828@newsfe12.iad>,
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec DeleteThis @AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:jollyroger-18EDBB.10572213092009@news.individual.net...
>
> >> > > If we stay within the context of this thread, which was about a
> >> > > _current_ iPhone owner who scratched his iPhone and sought a
> >> > > replacement (under less than honest means, which I'm surprised no one
> >> > > has mentioned!), we can agree that a replacement for a
> >> > > lost/damaged/stolen iPhone would NOT be "$99" to someone with 23
> >> > > months
> >> > > to go on his two-year contract.
> >> > >
> >> > > A new 3GS, for that person, would be damn near $600 from AT&T, IIRC,
> >> > > hence it's a "$600 phone."
> >> >
> >> > Only if you are a complete idiot.
> >>
> >> Or an honest one...
> >>
> >> What you suggest below is certainly gaming the system. You're leveraging
> >> AT&T's standard one-size-fits-all-phones EFT vs. their abnormally high
> >> iPhone subsidy.
> >
> > You've got to be kidding me. I talked with an AT&T representative who
> > recommend that I do exactly this when I inquired about trading my 3G for
> > a 3GS. It's a perfectly acceptable, and quite common, practice. Get real.
>
> Fine. It's still gaming the system. If AT&T wanted you to have a $450
> unsubsidized iPhone 3GS, why did they set the no contract price at $600
> instead of $450?

Nobody cares - not even AT&T themselves. Except you, apparently.

> >> > AT&T's early termination fee starts at $175 and is lowered $5 for every
> >> > month for the term of the contract:
> >> >
> >> > <http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25390
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > (for those too stupid to use a news client that properly handles
> >> > wrapped
> >> > URLs, and too stupid to figure out how to put them together for
> >> > viewing:
> >> > <http://preview.tinyurl.com/23uyqy>)
> >> >
> >> > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
> >> > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of $369.
> >>
> >> Plus activation fee (still $36?), and first month's service ($40 minimum,
> >> assuming a $10 family plan add-on plus mandatory data, rather than the
> >> $70
> >> mnimum for a new line.)
> >
> > You'd pay for the service anyway with your old phone. Nice try.
>
> Again, assuming the original still-under-contract phone is
> lost/stolen/whatever, you'd have TWO services to pay for- the original
> phone's (still under contract, remember?) and the activation fees and first
> month service for the new phone you're activating just to cancel it 31 days
> later. Two services, not one.

Nope. When you terminate the previous contract, you no longer need to
pay monthly charges for it. That's the point.

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On Sep 13, 1:16 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon....TakeThisOut@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> {Prior author citations omited for lack of relevance and to cause
> irritation}
>

>
> A new 3GS, for that person, would be damn near $600 from AT&T, IIRC, hence
> it's a "$600 phone."

Todd Todd

Kill the old plan for$175
Buy new 3GS for $199 an up
Sell the old broken one for $199 for shipment overseas.

Net cost about $175 +$38 for a new AT&T account not $600 which is a
figure you pulled out of the air (or you ass).

Works every day for someone who wants a new phone after breaking it
during the first month. It gets cheaper each month you own the iPhone
as the termination fee is prorated over the 24 months.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <MPG.2517067e8a930779989a99 news.individual.net>,
> Jim Mason <_ gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <michelle-543EF7.04502913092009 news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > Sure there is, because only you and Joan Dope have problems with the URL.
>>
>> Indeed. Link opens fine in Gravity.
>
> Works fine in most well-behaved news readers, actually. And besides,
> anyone with half a brain cell can figure out how to make it work
> manually.

Says an Apple fan boy troll who says that an iPhone costs $150.

It would be funny if it were not so sad.



















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nospam <nospam nospam.invalid> wrote:

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> Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > the link was posted with angle bracket delimiters and any
>> > decent newsreader (or other software for that matter) knows
>> > how to handle it.
>>
>> The fact that you are not familiar with Forte Agent is another
>> indication that you are clueless about USENET, NoBrain.
>
> insults aside

Fine. So... How much does an iPhone cost in your silly opinion,
NoBrain?

>> > in the newsreader that i use, the link is automatically
>> > converted into a clickable link, so all i need to do is click
>> > it. no copy/paste is needed, at all.
>> >
>> > perhaps it's time to get a better newsreader.
>>
>> I use Xnews, NoBrain, it is an excellent and very popular
>> newsreader.
>
> whatever you use is apparently not compliant with properly
> delimited urls.

Right, NoBrain... You think that your tiny little MacWorld is
where standards are made.






















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"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:jollyroger-9C1B04.12563813092009@news.individual.net...

>> > You've got to be kidding me. I talked with an AT&T representative who
>> > recommend that I do exactly this when I inquired about trading my 3G
>> > for
>> > a 3GS. It's a perfectly acceptable, and quite common, practice. Get
>> > real.
>>
>> Fine. It's still gaming the system. If AT&T wanted you to have a $450
>> unsubsidized iPhone 3GS, why did they set the no contract price at $600
>> instead of $450?
>
> Nobody cares - not even AT&T themselves. Except you, apparently.
>
>> >> > AT&T's early termination fee starts at $175 and is lowered $5 for
>> >> > every
>> >> > month for the term of the contract:
>> >> >
>> >> > <http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25390
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > (for those too stupid to use a news client that properly handles
>> >> > wrapped
>> >> > URLs, and too stupid to figure out how to put them together for
>> >> > viewing:
>> >> > <http://preview.tinyurl.com/23uyqy>)
>> >> >
>> >> > So the OP would pay $170 to terminate his new contract, and then the
>> >> > price of a new iPhone 3GS with a new plan, $199, for a total of
>> >> > $369.
>> >>
>> >> Plus activation fee (still $36?), and first month's service ($40
>> >> minimum,
>> >> assuming a $10 family plan add-on plus mandatory data, rather than the
>> >> $70
>> >> mnimum for a new line.)
>> >
>> > You'd pay for the service anyway with your old phone. Nice try.
>>
>> Again, assuming the original still-under-contract phone is
>> lost/stolen/whatever, you'd have TWO services to pay for- the original
>> phone's (still under contract, remember?) and the activation fees and
>> first
>> month service for the new phone you're activating just to cancel it 31
>> days
>> later. Two services, not one.
>
> Nope. When you terminate the previous contract, you no longer need to
> pay monthly charges for it. That's the point.

So now your going to change your phone number as well to save a few bucks?

Ok... Given that scenario, I'll conceed the extra service fees to you, (but
not the activation- you'll still be activating the new line) _if_ you can
assure me AT&T will let you cancel an old account while simulataneously (or
soon after) opening a new one.

For example, my carrier, T-Mo, won't let you. Any new line you activate
with 90 days of terminating an old one is automatically considered
reinstating the old line, and therefore ineligible for a discounted handset,
so to "game" T-Mo this way, you need to activate a new line to get the
discounted equipment then cancel the new line. AT&T used to have a similar
policy back when they were Cingular, but I haven't been with them since the
merger.