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Michael Levin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:50 pm
Post subject: Why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers?
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I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
here

http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html

and tell me why this is different on different platforms?

If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

Thanks in advance!

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Philo D

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:21 am
Post subject: Re: Why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.

10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/
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Roy Schestowitz

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:02 am
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__/ [ Michael Levin ] on Saturday 25 February 2006 02:50 \__

> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
> they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
> cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
> here
>
> http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html
>
> and tell me why this is different on different platforms?
>
> If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Untitled Document</title>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> </head>
>
> <body>
> <table width="75%" border="1">
> <tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
> <tr>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Thanks in advance!

If I recall correctly, Internet Explorer does not interpret "height"
correctly. But then again, I am not sure that "height" within a <td> is
legal either. I have been through that frustration testing loop before. Rest
assured that Internet Explorer is on its way out.

"For quite a while now my main browser has been the open source Mozilla
Firefox browser. But in the interests of fairness, when the public IE7
beta came out I quickly downloaded it and started trying to use it as
my primary browser. I was anxious to see if the newly threatened
Microsoft could turn out something better than the fox. And the answer
is... No, at least not yet..."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=15

Best wishes,

Roy

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Michael Levin

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:28 am
Post subject: Re: Displaying Quicktime/MPG: why is my page displayed [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<doozy RemoveThis @earthling.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> <mlevin77 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
>> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.
>
> 10 errors in the HTML according to
> http://validator.w3.org/

Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them (they just go, when the page is uploaded). What's a better way
to do it than

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

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Philo D

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Displaying Quicktime/MPG: why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <C0270934.1C03D%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
> <doozy.RemoveThis@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> > <mlevin77.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> >> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.
> >
> > 10 errors in the HTML according to
> > http://validator.w3.org/
>
> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
> [...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?

First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
Put that in your header.
Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
Now, correct the first error it reports.
Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.
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andekl_no

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Displaying Quicktime/MPG: why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Michael Levin <mlevin77 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
> <doozy DeleteThis @earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> > <mlevin77 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> >> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.
> >
> > 10 errors in the HTML according to
> > http://validator.w3.org/
>
> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
> be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
> about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
> how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
> different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?

Apparently, EMBED is not allowed in a table element.
I'm not sure if it is allowed at all.

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Michael Levin

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Displaying Quicktime/MPG: why is my page displayed [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2/26/06 12:19 PM, in article
260220061219006897%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<doozy DeleteThis @earthling.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <C0270934.1C03D%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> <mlevin77 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
>> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
>> <doozy DeleteThis @earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
>>> <mlevin77 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
>>>> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.
>>>
>>> 10 errors in the HTML according to
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
>> [...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?
>
> First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
> Put that in your header.
> Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
> Now, correct the first error it reports.
> Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
> Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.

I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code, I wonder whether rather trying to fix what
I have piece-meal, it might be better to start from scratch and use the
correct elements. I don't want to debug piece by piece if my whole approach
here is misguided and I need to use a different approach for this. How would
people go about displaying 3 quicktime MPG movies to run side-by-side?

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andekl_no

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:58 pm
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Michael Levin <mlevin77 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
> many things about my short code,

It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:58 pm
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On 2/26/06 4:58 PM, in article
1hbe2dt.ohgbf51rc59hcN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se, "Anders Eklöf"
<andekl_no RemoveThis @saaf_spam.se> wrote:

> Michael Levin <mlevin77 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
>> many things about my short code,
>
> It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
> tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.

ok; can you suggest an alternative that would be valid (or more
importantly, would display correctly in Internet Explorer on a PC)?

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Michael Ulrich

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:17 am
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"Michael Levin" <mlevin77 RemoveThis @comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net...
> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
> they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
> cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
> here
>
> http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html
>
> and tell me why this is different on different platforms?
>
> If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
[snip]
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
>
> Mike Levin
> mlevin77 RemoveThis @comcast.net
>

I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off!

Siggi
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:17 am
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Michael Ulrich <smusnmrNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
> IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
> 2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off!

Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
changes since then.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:24 pm
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"Mike Rosenberg" <mike DeleteThis @POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid...

> Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
> changes since then.

I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
I have none with his original code.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:35 pm
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Michael Ulrich <smusnmrNOSPAM.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Mike Rosenberg" <mike.DeleteThis@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid...
>
> > Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
> > changes since then.
>
> I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
> I have none with his original code.

It's still there - he didn't change it.
As I see it, the problem is that EMBED is not approved by W3C, and
thus there is no standard on the implementation of such elements.
So it may look different in different browsers

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