create Mac boot disk in Linux

On 2006-04-17, gypsy3001 DeleteThis @yahoo.com <gypsy3001 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to write the boot image to a floppy in Linux? Is
> there some arguments that I should have provided to "dd" to write the
> raw file correctly? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Use hfsutils (type "apt-get install hfsutils" as root). To mount hfs
volumes, you'll need hfs support compiled into kernel or as a loadable
module.

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In article <1145316524.602241.56340.DeleteThis@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
gypsy3001.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:

>I downloaded System 7.5 Network Access boot image from Apple. Also
>tried a System 6.0.8 boot image.

6.0.8 won't work. The earliest MacOS version with PowerPC support in it
was 7.1.2 (which dates from the NuBus-based Power Macs).

In article <ldo-95A70C.12204818042006.TakeThisOut@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo.TakeThisOut@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:

> In article <1145316524.602241.56340.TakeThisOut@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> gypsy3001.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >I downloaded System 7.5 Network Access boot image from Apple. Also
> >tried a System 6.0.8 boot image.
>
> 6.0.8 won't work. The earliest MacOS version with PowerPC support in it
> was 7.1.2 (which dates from the NuBus-based Power Macs).

IIRC, the earliest version that will work with the 1400 is 7.5.3, which
shipped with the machine. And not any 7.5.3 will work; it has to have
the 1400 enabler.

Thanks! That did the trick. I was able to mount the HFS disk in Linux.


Only problem left . . . the diskette still won't boot on the 1400cs.
8-(

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Ahh . . . thanks. I look like neither disk images I download will work
.. . . I got them from this page:
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html

Anyone knows if any of the software on that page will help us boot the
PowerBook 1400cs so that we can gain access to the data on the hard
disk? Or even just to boot?

Chieh
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gypsy3001.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com writes:
> This command caused the floppy drive to chur away for a few minutes. It
> seem to have written stuff to the floppy disk. But reported an
> input/output error. And the final floppy does not boot on the Mac
> PowerBook.

Correct, that's not what you want.

The Network Access Image is a certain mac-specific self-extracting
archive. You need to download it on a computer running MacOS with a
floppy disk drive, put a floppy in the drive, and have it run for a
few minutes.

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In <1145408884.801738.137780 RemoveThis @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> gypsy3001@
yahoo.com wrote:
> Ahh . . . thanks. I look like neither disk images I download will work
> .. . . I got them from this page:
> http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
>
> Anyone knows if any of the software on that page will help us boot the
> PowerBook 1400cs so that we can gain access to the data on the hard
> disk? Or even just to boot?

Since Apple writes the OS they have no need to make anything backwards
compatible, so you always need the OS that came with the particular
model or a later OS release. The PowerBook 1400 came out in late 1996,
so you'll need System 7.5.3 or later. Fortunately there's a bootable
floppy disk image for Mac OS 8.1 available:

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/
English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_8.1_Update/Disk_Tools_PPC.
img.bin

Unfortunately unlike the System 7.5 Network Access Disk it's in a Disk
Copy compressed image, so you can't just use dd to write it to a disk.
There's a Windows shareware program called WinImage which can handle
Disk Copy images, but I can't remember if it can cope with compressed
images.

To make it easy for you I've used Apple's Disk Utility to convert the
Disk Tools image from an old-style NDIF disk image to the sort favoured
by Mac OS X: uncompressed and with no header )

A simple dd if="Disk Tools PPC.dmg" of=/dev/fd0 should work fine.

You can download it from here http://roger.geek.nz/DiskToolsPPC.dmg.zip

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In article <1145408884.801738.137780 DeleteThis @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
gypsy3001 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:

>Anyone knows if any of the software on that page will help us boot the
>PowerBook 1400cs so that we can gain access to the data on the hard
>disk? Or even just to boot?

How about this
<http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates
/MultiCountry/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.3_Revision_2/>.

In article <1145408884.801738.137780 RemoveThis @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
gypsy3001 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

>Anyone knows if any of the software on that page will help us boot the
>PowerBook 1400cs so that we can gain access to the data on the hard
>disk? Or even just to boot?

Or this
<http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates
/English-International/Macintosh/System/Full_Installs/System_7.5_Version_
7.5.3/>

In article <20060420001236655+1200@News.Individual.NET>,
Roger Johnstone <news2006 RemoveThis @roger.geek.nz> wrote:

>Since Apple writes the OS they have no need to make anything backwards
>compatible, so you always need the OS that came with the particular
>model or a later OS release

But that must mean the later OS release is backwards-compatible, mustn't
it?

In <ldo-AAE0C0.09463820042006.RemoveThis@lust.ihug.co.nz> Lawrence D'Oliveiro
wrote:
> In article <20060420001236655+1200@News.Individual.NET>,
> Roger Johnstone <news2006.RemoveThis@roger.geek.nz> wrote:
>
>>Since Apple writes the OS they have no need to make anything backwards
>>compatible, so you always need the OS that came with the particular
>>model or a later OS release
>
> But that must mean the later OS release is backwards-compatible,
> mustn't it?

Yes. Read what I mean, not what I say!

I meant Apple has no need to make their computers compatible with older
versions of the OS, since they can just update the OS to handle the new
hardware.

--
Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand
http://roger.geek.nz/
________________________________________________________________________
No Silicon Heaven? Preposterous! Where would all the calculators go?

Kryten, from the Red Dwarf episode "The Last Day"

> To make it easy for you I've used Apple's Disk Utility to convert the
> Disk Tools image from an old-style NDIF disk image to the sort favoured
> by Mac OS X: uncompressed and with no header )
> A simple dd if="Disk Tools PPC.dmg" of=/dev/fd0 should work fine.
> You can download it from here http://roger.geek.nz/DiskToolsPPC.dmg.zip

Hi Roger!

Thanks a lot! That really helps. The PowerBook 1400cs boots now off the
floppy. I tested it with a old 4 GB hard drive and it works. So my
friend is going to bring the original HD with his precious data on it
to see if we can recover it. Thank you.

P.S. I tried to download some sea.bin files on Apple's old software
download page, such as Disk Copy or image mounter. I used Linux to
download. Wrote them to a HFS floppy disk. Copied them onto the
PowerBook. But they won't run. Do you have any idea why or how to get
them to run?

Chieh
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In <1145576837.179288.11030.TakeThisOut@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> gypsy3001@
yahoo.com wrote:
>> To make it easy for you I've used Apple's Disk Utility to convert the
>> Disk Tools image from an old-style NDIF disk image to the sort
>> favoured by Mac OS X: uncompressed and with no header ) A simple
>> dd if="Disk Tools PPC.dmg" of=/dev/fd0 should work fine. You can
>> download it from here http://roger.geek.nz/DiskToolsPPC.dmg.zip
>
> Hi Roger!
>
> Thanks a lot! That really helps. The PowerBook 1400cs boots now off
> the floppy. I tested it with a old 4 GB hard drive and it works.
> So my friend is going to bring the original HD with his precious data
> on it to see if we can recover it. Thank you.
>
> P.S. I tried to download some sea.bin files on Apple's old software
> download page, such as Disk Copy or image mounter. I used Linux to
> download. Wrote them to a HFS floppy disk. Copied them onto the
> PowerBook. But they won't run. Do you have any idea why or how to get
> them to run?

They're self-extracting archives (.sea) in a MacBinary wrapper (.bin).

Traditionally Mac applications have a resource fork and a data fork,
plus file metadata stored in the filesystem, all of which is very, very
important. The metadata and resource fork get stripped the file passes
through a non-Mac aware system so the MacBinary wrapper puts everything
into one flat file to protect it.

Now you need a program on the Mac to open the wrapped files, such as
StuffIt Expander. Unfortunately then it becomes a chicken-and-the-egg
situation if you need to download said program to open the wrapper,
since it will be in a wrapper too.

There have been programs written for MS-DOS and Windows which can open a
MacBinary file and write the contents to a Mac disk while retaining the
two forks and metadata (I think the shareware program TransMac can do it).
I don't know if there's anything like that available for Linux.

The other way is to get the utility you need on a floppy disk image.
This one has StuffIt Expander 4.5 and Disk Copy 6.2 on it.
http://roger.geek.nz/StuffItExpander.dmg.zip

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Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand
http://roger.geek.nz/
________________________________________________________________________
No Silicon Heaven? Preposterous! Where would all the calculators go?

Kryten, from the Red Dwarf episode "The Last Day"