Windows XP disk?

On 10/2/08 6:55 PM, in article
FB3D02A4-EE08-4A1F-A2BE-45CF90F42D63.RemoveThis@microsoft.com, "serge2005"
<serge2005.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
> and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional). However,
> the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
> within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
> Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
>
> My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
> separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and now
> that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
> right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
> software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of Windows...
>
> Any ideas?

Nope, you can not legally use the disk that came with Virtual PC to
install WIndows on any other software or hardware. It's a bundled
product with a license to use that version of Windows ONLY with
Virtual PC. This is no different to the Mac OS X disk that came with
your Mac (or the version of Windows that comes bundled with a new PC) -
it's is ONLY for use with that Mac, even if you later upgrade that
Mac's OS you still can not use the bundled disk to install the older
version on another Mac.

Nope, you don't "have a right to install Windows XP Professional". You
agreed to these terms and conditions in the license when you opened
installed Virtual PC (that's why installers have an "I agree" button at
the start of the process) ... if you didn't read them, then it's still
no excuse for piracy.

If you want to install Windows to use it with Parallels Desktop, VMWare
Fusion, Boot Camp or any PC computer, then you will have to buy a
proper, fully licensed version of Windows XP or Vista.


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

In article <FB3D02A4-EE08-4A1F-A2BE-45CF90F42D63 DeleteThis @microsoft.com>,
serge2005 <serge2005 DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
> and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional). However,
> the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
> within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
> Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
>
> My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
> separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and now
> that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
> right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
> software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of Windows...
>
> Any ideas?
As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
the WinXP on the VPC disk.
However you might be interested in this approach:
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/

Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
Parallels Transporter.
Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.
> Parallels Desktop for Mac brought it to you first.
>
> Migrate an entire real or virtual PC system, including operating system,
> applications, files and personal settings, to your new Parallels Desktop for
> Mac virtual machine.

Thank you for pointing this out- I was not aware of this option. It sure
beats the heck out of trying to purchase a stand-alone version of XP!

"Pirate chaser" wrote:

> In article <FB3D02A4-EE08-4A1F-A2BE-45CF90F42D63.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com>,
> serge2005 <serge2005.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
> > and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional). However,
> > the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
> > within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
> > Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
> >
> > My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
> > separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and now
> > that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
> > right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
> > software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of Windows...
> >
> > Any ideas?
> As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
> the WinXP on the VPC disk.
> However you might be interested in this approach:
> http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/
>
> Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
> an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
> Parallels Transporter.
> Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.
> > Parallels Desktop for Mac brought it to you first.
> >
> > Migrate an entire real or virtual PC system, including operating system,
> > applications, files and personal settings, to your new Parallels Desktop for
> > Mac virtual machine.
>

In article <NotPirate-49580F.16472903102008.TakeThisOut@news.telus.net>, Pirate
chaser <NotPirate.TakeThisOut@pirateland.net> wrote:

> In article <FB3D02A4-EE08-4A1F-A2BE-45CF90F42D63.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com>,
> serge2005 <serge2005.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
> > and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional).
> > However,
> > the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
> > within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
> > Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
> >
> > My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
> > separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and
> > now
> > that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
> > right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
> > software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of
> > Windows...
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
> the WinXP on the VPC disk.
> However you might be interested in this approach:
> http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/
>
> Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
> an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
> Parallels Transporter.
> Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.

Please do not encourage people to do illegal things in this newsgroup.

Moving the operating system illegally is NOT what the Transporter is
for. You are still NOT allowed to use the version of Windows that came
bundled with Virtual PC with any other product. You have to buy a full,
legal, licensed version of Windows for use with Parallels.

It's selfish scum doing whatever they want that is part of the cause
for the over-infalted prices of software. (

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Harry,

you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
more.

Peace out.

"Helpful Harry" wrote:

> In article <NotPirate-49580F.16472903102008.RemoveThis@news.telus.net>, Pirate
> chaser <NotPirate.RemoveThis@pirateland.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <FB3D02A4-EE08-4A1F-A2BE-45CF90F42D63.RemoveThis@microsoft.com>,
> > serge2005 <serge2005.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
> > > and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional).
> > > However,
> > > the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
> > > within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
> > > Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
> > >
> > > My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
> > > separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and
> > > now
> > > that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
> > > right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
> > > software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of
> > > Windows...
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
> > the WinXP on the VPC disk.
> > However you might be interested in this approach:
> > http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/
> >
> > Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
> > an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
> > Parallels Transporter.
> > Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.
>
> Please do not encourage people to do illegal things in this newsgroup.
>
> Moving the operating system illegally is NOT what the Transporter is
> for. You are still NOT allowed to use the version of Windows that came
> bundled with Virtual PC with any other product. You have to buy a full,
> legal, licensed version of Windows for use with Parallels.
>
> It's selfish scum doing whatever they want that is part of the cause
> for the over-infalted prices of software. (
>
> Helpful Harry
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
>

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:27:01 -0700, serge2005
<serge2005.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Harry,
>
>you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
>the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
>windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
>any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
>Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
>reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
>efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
>my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
>more.
>
>Peace out.
>
>"Helpful Harry" wrote:

If it stunk, then why did you buy it? Because it was the best
solution for running Windows on a PPC Mac, nobody else touched it
until Apple moved to Intel, because it's a hell of a lot easier to not
have to emulate the entire CPU.

When you purchased VPC with Windows you agreed to the OEM terms that
the Windows included is only for use with Virtual PC. You got a
significant discount on that version of Windows for that reason.

VPC+Windows XP cost LESS than a stand-alone version of Windows. If
you had wanted to have the ability to move your Windows across
platforms you should have purchased a retail version of Windows XP.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

In article <4D35A1F3-D811-4CC4-9919-2C82A40A9A1B.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com>,
serge2005 <serge2005.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Harry,
>
> you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
> the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
> windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
> any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
> Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
> reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
> efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
> my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
> more.
>
> Peace out.

No, you're missing the point.

It's 100% plain and simple: it is NOT legal to use the version of
Windows that came bundled with Virtual PC with any other product.

If you want to use Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Boot Camp or a PC
computer, you MUCT buy a new, fully licensed version of Windows.

It doesn't make any difference at all how you try to spin the phrasing,
if you do re-use that version of Windows outside of Virtual PC, you ARE
breaking the licensing agreement and you ARE being a pirate.

It can't be much simpler than that. \

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

In article <11kfe49il4d2voishpkhdsv5t3t9jcqnsj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, "Steve Jain
[MVP]" <noreply.-.TakeThisOut@-.essjae.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:27:01 -0700, serge2005
> <serge2005.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Harry,
> >
> >you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
> >the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the
> >embedded
> >windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the
> >G4
> >any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
> >Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
> >reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
> >efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
> >my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
> >more.
> >
> >Peace out.
>
> If it stunk, then why did you buy it? Because it was the best
> solution for running Windows on a PPC Mac, nobody else touched it
> until Apple moved to Intel, because it's a hell of a lot easier to not
> have to emulate the entire CPU.
>
> When you purchased VPC with Windows you agreed to the OEM terms that
> the Windows included is only for use with Virtual PC. You got a
> significant discount on that version of Windows for that reason.
>
> VPC+Windows XP cost LESS than a stand-alone version of Windows. If
> you had wanted to have the ability to move your Windows across
> platforms you should have purchased a retail version of Windows XP ...

.... along with the standalone / no OS version of Virtual PC.

Just to complete that last sentence. )

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

On 2008-10-04 12:27:01 +1000, serge2005
<serge2005.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> said:

> you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
> the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
> windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
> any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
> Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
> reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
> efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
> my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
> more.

Helpful Harry and other regulars in this newsgroup have a point in that
you observe the licensing terms of the products you have purchased.

Remember, you implicitly AGREE to use the software under the specified terms
if you do as much as open the product packaging, install it and use it.

If you have questions about your license of Virtual PC and the version of
Windows that has come with it (if you purchased a Virtual PC/Windows bundle),
please contact Microsoft Licensing. They have the ultimate say (in writing)
in what you can and can't do with the product licensed to you.


--tonza