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Since: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:08 am
Post subject: Time Machine Wears Out Disks? Archived from groups: comp>sys>mac>hardware>storage (more info?)
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I really love Time Machine, but of the two machines I've been running
it on, both have trashed the respective backup HDs. Am I very
unlucky, or does Time Machine have more critical requirements on an HD
than most apps? Of course, it runs every 15 minutes or hour, but I've
seen similar behavior on both Leopard machines -- the drive begins to
fail to mount and requires an init or power cycle of some kind to be
recognized, and eventually won't mount at all. Disk Warrior or Drive
Utility or TechTool Pro is needed to repair it.
I had a 500 G Maxtor and a 320 G ADS (don't know the brand of HD
inside).
On the Maxtor, at least, I did use it for storing other files as well,
and was told by an Alsoft tech that that was a bad idea, and that TM
HDs should be dedicated. Considering the fact that TM is accessed far
more frequently than those other files, I'm not sure why those files
should make a difference, and certainly not cause two failures in such
a short time.
Any comments or suggestions?
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Since: Jun 13, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Time Machine Wears Out Disks? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 4 Aug, 18:08, gmar....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> I really love Time Machine, but of the two machines I've been running
> it on, both have trashed the respective backup HDs. Am I very
> unlucky, or does Time Machine have more critical requirements on an HD
> than most apps? Of course, it runs every 15 minutes or hour, but I've
> seen similar behavior on both Leopard machines -- the drive begins to
> fail to mount and requires an init or power cycle of some kind to be
> recognized, and eventually won't mount at all. Disk Warrior or Drive
> Utility or TechTool Pro is needed to repair it.
>
> I had a 500 G Maxtor and a 320 G ADS (don't know the brand of HD
> inside).
>
> On the Maxtor, at least, I did use it for storing other files as well,
> and was told by an Alsoft tech that that was a bad idea, and that TM
> HDs should be dedicated. Considering the fact that TM is accessed far
> more frequently than those other files, I'm not sure why those files
> should make a difference, and certainly not cause two failures in such
> a short time.
>
> Any comments or suggestions?
>
> Mark
No. Time Machine *uses* a disk pretty comprehensively, in that it
writes a lot to it, but any hard disk that fails like this in normal
operation has a problem: it's not TM.
Anything in common with the two failures - e.g. were they both using
the same external enclosure, or plugged into the same mains supply?
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Since: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:21 am
Post subject: Re: Time Machine Wears Out Disks? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Can TM be set up to backup a non-local drive?
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Since: Nov 05, 2007 Posts: 1211
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:21 am
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In article <g7ql2p$9qf$1@reader1.panix.com>,
David Lesher <wb8foz RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote:
> Can TM be set up to backup a non-local drive?
Define "non-local".
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Since: Nov 05, 2007 Posts: 1211
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:39 am
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In article <jollyroger-7DB946.19401911082008.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <g7ql2p$9qf$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> David Lesher <wb8foz.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote:
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> > Can TM be set up to backup a non-local drive?
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> Define "non-local".
David replied to me privately, through e-mail:
> A drive that is mounted in the finder but not directly connected. Say an
> ftp site, or a MacFUSE volume.
If you want to back up to an FTP site, you'll have to use an FTP program
to do it rather than Time Machine.
MacFUSE supports many different file systems, some of which are
network-based. I've run MacFUSE just once, to mount a NTFS volume on a
single Mac over a year ago.
The way I remember it, MacFUSE allows you to mount volumes with
supported file systems on your desktop. To Time Machine, a MacFUSE
volume would therefore appear to be a local volume, even if it was a
sshfs, ftpfs (read/write FTP), or say a wdfs (WebDAV) volume. I would
think in this case, Time Machine would be able to use it.
I am, however, unsure of the ramifications. I'd be cautious relying on
such a setup for backup purposes, because it is unknown how MacFUSE and
Time Machine will behave should one of the network volumes become
unavailable during use. The integrity of backup data is paramount!
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Since: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 28
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:04 pm
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> writes:
>If you want to back up to an FTP site, you'll have to use an FTP program
>to do it rather than Time Machine.
I want to back up FROM a sftp site, such as mounted with MacFuSE/sshfs.
Yes, it mounts in the Finder.
The destination is a local [FSVO] drive; likely a Firewire connection.
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Since: Nov 05, 2007 Posts: 1211
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:04 pm
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In article <g7t4td$qjf$2@reader1.panix.com>,
David Lesher <wb8foz DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> writes:
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> >If you want to back up to an FTP site, you'll have to use an FTP program
> >to do it rather than Time Machine.
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> I want to back up FROM a sftp site, such as mounted with MacFuSE/sshfs.
> Yes, it mounts in the Finder.
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> The destination is a local [FSVO] drive; likely a Firewire connection.
Time Machine backs up TO a destination volume; so you'd be backing up TO
an sftp site. Not that the direction matters anyway - either way if you
point Time Machine at the mounted volume, Time Machine will probably use
it. Again, though, what happens when there is a network hiccup is
anyone's guess. I feel fairly comfortable saying the integrity of the
backup data stored on the remote volume will be at significant risk.
Backups you cannot rely on are useless!
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