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Since: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:51 am
Post subject: Printing black only on Canon inkjet Archived from groups: comp>sys>mac>printing, others (more info?)
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I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on
printing black.
Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,
and I get a grayscale output.
Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and
any color elements on the page are missing.
(I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
(I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
my printer's driver.)
Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing
black from CMYK?
This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
(This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
$50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
black only.)
Ideas? Comments?
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Since: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 300
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:42 am
Post subject: Re: Printing black only on Canon inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:51:28 -0400, John E. wrote
(in article <0001HW.C52AC110023A0AABB04B99AF.RemoveThis@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>):
> I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
> printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
> empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
>
> The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
> simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on
> printing black.
>
> Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,
> and I get a grayscale output.
>
> Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
> Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and
> any color elements on the page are missing.
>
> (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
> grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
>
> (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
> my printer's driver.)
>
> Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
> uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing
> black from CMYK?
>
> This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
> modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
> using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
>
> (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
> $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
> for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
> black only.)
>
> Ideas? Comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
available for under US$120? See
<http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2140> for
one example. The lasers are faster, their carts can print vastly more pages
at under double the price of an inkjet cart (black ink for my inkjet: US$25.
Toner cart for my laser: US$42) and for another US$30 or so you can get
built-in networking, wired and wireless.
<http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2170W>
The _only_ reason to have an inkjet is to be able to print in colour... and
even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
<http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
which do less and cost more.
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Since: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 41
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:15 am
Post subject: Re: Printing black only on Canon inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Thanks for the suggestions.
> Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
> available for under US$120?
A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
grayscale.
And because the inkjet does color, if and when I want it.
So, anybody have an answer to my questions(s)?
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Since: Jun 12, 2008 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:22 am
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In article <ge49f4020sb DeleteThis @news7.newsguy.com>,
J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to DeleteThis @but.see.sig> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:51:28 -0400, John E. wrote
> (in article <0001HW.C52AC110023A0AABB04B99AF DeleteThis @news.sf.sbcglobal.net>):
>
> > I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
> > printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
> > empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
> >
> > The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
> > simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right
> > on
>
> > printing black.
> >
> > Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale
> > checkbox,
>
> > and I get a grayscale output.
> >
> > Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
> > Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale,
> > and
>
> > any color elements on the page are missing.
> >
> > (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
> > grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
> >
> > (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
> > my printer's driver.)
> >
> > Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
> > uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than
> > compositing
>
> > black from CMYK?
> >
> > This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
> > modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
> > using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
> >
> > (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
> > $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
> > for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing
> > using
> > black only.)
> >
> > Ideas? Comments?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
>
> Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
> available for under US$120? See
> <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2140> for
> one example. The lasers are faster, their carts can print vastly more pages
> at under double the price of an inkjet cart (black ink for my inkjet: US$25.
> Toner cart for my laser: US$42) and for another US$30 or so you can get
> built-in networking, wired and wireless.
> <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2170W>
>
> The _only_ reason to have an inkjet is to be able to print in colour... and
> even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
> <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
> which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
> which do less and cost more.
Wow! I hadn't looked at Laser printers in a few years as I had no need
to upgrade. And that color laser at that price? Un effing real!!
Makes me glad I retired and quit selling this stuff on commission.  |
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Since: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 58
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:24 pm
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Since: Mar 10, 2007 Posts: 127
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Printing black only on Canon inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ge49f4020sb DeleteThis @news7.newsguy.com>,
> J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to DeleteThis @but.see.sig> wrote:
> > even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
> > <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
> > which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
> > which do less and cost more.
>
> Wow! I hadn't looked at Laser printers in a few years as I had no need
> to upgrade. And that color laser at that price? Un effing real!!
Um. You can get it for quite a bit less than that. That's list price.
Staples has it for half of that at the moment. (Not a bad deal,
actually).
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email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
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Since: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 300
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Printing black only on Canon inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:24:49 -0400, Michael Vilain wrote
(in article <vilain-1FFC90.17244927102008.TakeThisOut@feeder.motzarella.org>):
> In article <0001HW.C52B374E001AA659B01AD9AF.TakeThisOut@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> John E. <incognito.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>>> Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome
>>> lasers
>>
>>> available for under US$120?
>>
>> A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
>> spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
>> grayscale.
>>
>> And because the inkjet does color, if and when I want it.
>>
>> So, anybody have an answer to my questions(s)?
>
> Unless you have access to the sources for the printing system and
> drivers for your printer, you're more or less SOL. But you knew that,
> right?
>
> Got code?
>
>
What he wants is for _someone else_ to hack into the drivers for a specific
printer, a _four-year-old_ _photo printer_ no less, and rig it so that this
specific device will not print colour. I suspect that it would be quite
difficult to do this. It's a _photo printer_. It's _supposed_ to print
colour! I don't see anyone doing anything for him. His best bet is exactly
what I suggested: get a laser for monochrome output and just use the inkjet
for colour output. It's what I do and it greatly simplifies life. Both my
printers are on the network, so anyone in the building can print to them.
I've had the laser for three years now, and the saving in inkjet ink carts
that I didn't have to buy 'cause most documents were printed on the laser
paid for it in the first six months. (Not at all difficult when black carts
cost US$25 and colour carts cost US$30...)
He can beat his head against the wall, or he can accept reality. His choice.
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Since: Oct 24, 2005 Posts: 280
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:54 pm
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In <vilain-1FFC90.17244927102008 DeleteThis @feeder.motzarella.org>, Michael Vilain wrote:
> Unless you have access to the sources for the printing system and
> drivers for your printer, you're more or less SOL. But you knew that,
> right?
I'm not sure I understand. Does the printer use color when the stuff sent
to print is grayscale only? Surely it wouldn't be too hard to convert
everything sent to the particular print queue to grayscale.
Or am I overlooking something obvious here?
Cheers,
-j
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Since: Oct 04, 2008 Posts: 87
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:14 pm
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:54:23 -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote (in article
<alpine.OSX.2.00.0810272151540.2222 RemoveThis @hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>):
[commenting in regards to the thread in which a question was raised in
regards to printing grayscale with a Canon Pixma ip3000 CMYK printer]
> Does the printer use color when the stuff sent to print is grayscale only?
> Surely it wouldn't be too hard to convert everything sent to the
> particular print queue to grayscale.
I'm open to correction but I didn't think it was possible to produce a
grayscale with only the black ink cartridge.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:14 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:07 am
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John E. <incognito.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome
> > lasers available for under US$120?
>
> A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
> spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
> grayscale.
I'm sorry, but we all understood you to mean that you wanted someone to
write a piece of software that forces your printer to use only the black
cartridge. The issue, then, is not _YOUR_ budget, it's why someone else
would go to that kind of trouble.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:32 am
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In article <0001HW.C52AC110023A0AABB04B99AF.TakeThisOut@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
John E. <incognito.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
> printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
> empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
>
> The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
> simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on
> printing black.
>
> Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,
> and I get a grayscale output.
>
> Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
> Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and
> any color elements on the page are missing.
>
> (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
> grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
>
> (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
> my printer's driver.)
>
> Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
> uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing
> black from CMYK?
>
> This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
> modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
> using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
>
> (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
> $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
> for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
> black only.)
>
> Ideas? Comments?
>
> Thanks,
Since I don't have that particular Canon model, I can't be definite;
however, the "printer utility" that accompanied my Canon Pixma MX300
(not the driver, the printer utility) includes an option to print
"black only" as the default. You might want to check and see what the
printer utility for your model offers in that regard.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:59 am
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In article <0001HW.C52AC110023A0AABB04B99AF RemoveThis @news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
John E. <incognito RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
> printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
> empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
>
> The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
> simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on
> printing black.
>
> Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,
> and I get a grayscale output.
>
> Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
> Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and
> any color elements on the page are missing.
>
> (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
> grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
>
> (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
> my printer's driver.)
>
> Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
> uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing
> black from CMYK?
>
> This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
> modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
> using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
>
> (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
> $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
> for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
> black only.)
>
> Ideas? Comments?
>
> Thanks,
Have you considered adding a pre-print step to convert the content to
black & white or grayscale *before* you print it?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:50 pm
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sbt wrote:
> Since I don't have that particular Canon model, I can't be
> definite; however, the "printer utility" that accompanied my
> Canon Pixma MX300 (not the driver, the printer utility)
> includes an option to print "black only" as the default. You
> might want to check and see what the printer utility for your
> model offers in that regard.
I have had a couple of the Pixmas. If you read all the
information on them, you'll discover somewhere that they all use
all colors of ink, even in the "Black/White" setting. I think
that it is partially to do with keeping the ink channels flowing
so that they don't dry out.
When the heads are docked, they are sealed and can stay moist,
but if you were to print a bunch of documentation in black and
white and the printer wasn't mixing in a little of the other
colors, the color jets would quickly dry out and clog.
I copied the following text directly out of the online manual for
my MP610
"Color ink may be consumed even when printing a black-and-white
document or when black-and-white printing is specified."
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:50 pm
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> "Color ink may be consumed even when printing a black-and-white
> document or when black-and-white printing is specified."
Thanks, Jeff, for quoting that.
The driver for my iP3000 has been printing black-only grayscale for quite
awhile. I think it's a bug because when you select Duplex printing all of a
sudden it won't print black-only grayscale, and it misses much of the page
content if the color cartridges are empty (as they have been for quite
awhile).
And what you say about other Pixmas tends to support this.
I guess I'll just keep using this printer in single-sided mode until a good
deal comes along on an HP inkjet (Wes G. says HPs print black-only
grayscale...)
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