Kudos, Jolly Roger

On 2008-12-20 11:49:17 -0800, Fred Moore <fmoore.RemoveThis@gcfn.org> said:

> My understanding (and I'm no authority on the history of American beer)
> is that the limp-dick taste of American beer stems from grain shortages
> in WWII. The brewers substituted rice, which was available and cheaper.
> Because of costs, they kept using rice after the war. They pumped the
> savings into marketing. The rest is history. Anheuser-Busch's current ad
> line for Bud Light is 'drinkability', meaning 'it tastes like water so
> you'll want to drink it all night and it won't fill you up'. Oh, that's
> so very satisfyiing...

Interesting concept but untrue. Pilsners took over after prohibition. I
don't believe, lame as it is, that Bud is made with rice. I toured the
production faciliy of Coors at Golden, and there was no rice in the
process. And for the most part they are the same beer as far as I'm
concerned.
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In article <1is9d1l.4pu9bn50coexN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mikePOST.RemoveThis@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
> > expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
> > it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
> > thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
>
> You went all these years without having had a Guinness? Wow!

I expect even fewer have had it on tap... it is better than from a can.
And I have heard that in Ireland itself, on tap, it is yet better again.

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In article <doraymeRidThis-649AAB.09523421122008 RemoveThis @albasani.net>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis RemoveThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <1is9d1l.4pu9bn50coexN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
> mikePOST RemoveThis @TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
>
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
> > > expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
> > > it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
> > > thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
> >
> > You went all these years without having had a Guinness? Wow!
>
> I expect even fewer have had it on tap... it is better than from a can.
> And I have heard that in Ireland itself, on tap, it is yet better again.

The Extra Stout I purchased was in bottles.

I'll be avoiding canned beer altogether.

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dorayme wrote:
> In article <1is9d1l.4pu9bn50coexN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
> mikePOST.TakeThisOut@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
>>> expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
>>> it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
>>> thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
>> You went all these years without having had a Guinness? Wow!
>
> I expect even fewer have had it on tap... it is better than from a can.
> And I have heard that in Ireland itself, on tap, it is yet better again.

They're generally better at pouring the Guinness here in Ireland,
certainly-- it's a bit of an art-- so the quality's a bit more
consistent from bar to bar. But to be honest, I can't tell the
difference between a Guinness here and a (well-poured) Guinness I've had
anywhere else...

On 2008-12-20 13:30:38 -0800, dorayme <doraymeRidThis.RemoveThis@optusnet.com.au> said:

> In article <2008122009010116807-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx.RemoveThis@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> I'm carping about the damn
>> temperature. "People here like their beer as cold as they can get it,"
>> I'm told by the waitress.
>
> On the issue of temperature, I can tell you that Australians
> traditionally have liked their beer real cold. I recall a short film
> (sort of promotional for BP Australia) in which an Englishman is given a
> lift in a cattle road train in central Australia. The truckie stops at a
> roadside cafe/pub and the Englishman remarks on how cold the beer is.
> The truckie replied that "Here we drink the stuff, not clean our teeth
> with it!"
>
> Truth is, the better the beer, the less cold you need to have it. A warm
> Fosters *does* taste like horse piss (Wes accurately noted the smell
> connection). But a well made richly malted beer can be enjoyed at less
> than freezing point.

Quite true. Years ago I used to drink Tecate in Mexican restaurants in
Dallas, which always and forever came with a wedge of lime jammed in
the can's mouth, or was on the glass or in the glass. So I always used
it. Once I had a Tecate without the lime and realized I'd been
drinking a lime drink. Then on a few other occasions I realized that
if you didn't drink it in about 10 minutes it would hit room
temperature, and without the lime it was, most assuredly, horse piss.

With the Weltenberger Anno (one of a few beers I always like to have at
home), we simply keep in in the pantry where it's cooler than in the
house. Perfect.
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On 2008-12-20 14:52:34 -0800, dorayme <doraymeRidThis.DeleteThis@optusnet.com.au> said:

> In article <1is9d1l.4pu9bn50coexN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
> mikePOST.DeleteThis@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
>>> expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
>>> it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
>>> thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
>>
>> You went all these years without having had a Guinness? Wow!
>
> I expect even fewer have had it on tap... it is better than from a can.
> And I have heard that in Ireland itself, on tap, it is yet better again.

As I've heard. The temperature of the taps, as I've heard in both
Irish and British pubs, are many degrees higher than in the US.
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In article <2008122109565750073-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx.TakeThisOut@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> As I've heard. The temperature of the taps, as I've heard in both
> Irish and British pubs, are many degrees higher than in the US.

The "real ale," the stuff that's pulled up by a barman's muscles from
kilderkins in the cellar is cellar temperature, but it's not _warm_
exactly; the cellar in a British pub is quite cool. The fizzy lager, the
stuff under pressure (don't _EVER_ drink draught Heineken or Budweiser
in an English pub, it's what we called "cooking lager" and it's brewed
in Clapham or somewhere and it's the very definition of vile) is kept
quite a bit cooler, pretty much to American tastes.
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<nospam.m-m-0738F0.13585021122008.DeleteThis@cpe-76-190-186-198.neo.res.rr.com>,
M-M <nospam.m-m.DeleteThis@ny.more> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-838CEF.16262820122008.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
> > expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
> > it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
> > thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
>
> To me it's all in the alcohol content. There are some very fine Belgian
> ales- I like Piraat. It's 10.5%.

More alcohol equals more drunk. While it wasn't the case while I was in
my 20s, I'm not in it to get buzzed or drunk. For me, it's all about
the taste! : )

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On 2008-12-21 10:58:50 -0800, M-M <nospam.m-m.RemoveThis@ny.more> said:

> In article <jollyroger-838CEF.16262820122008.RemoveThis@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I just grabbed a six pack of Guinness Extra Stout. It's yummy! I
>> expected it to be stronger than the Sam Adams I had the other day; but
>> it pulls it off *without* an increase in bitterness, which is a good
>> thing IMO. Less or better hops, perhaps? All in all, not bad. : )
>
>
> To me it's all in the alcohol content. There are some very fine Belgian
> ales- I like Piraat. It's 10.5%.

I bought a super-jug (not a full magnum but like a 1.5 liter or
something?). We shared it at a dinner party for four before dinner.
Man did dinner start off merry!
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<nospam.m-m-8882BB.15012821122008.RemoveThis@cpe-76-190-186-198.neo.res.rr.com>,
M-M <nospam.m-m.RemoveThis@ny.more> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-06C54F.13084421122008.RemoveThis@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > More alcohol equals more drunk. While it wasn't the case while I was in
> > my 20s, I'm not in it to get buzzed or drunk. For me, it's all about
> > the taste! : )
>
> and I suppose you read Playboy for the interviews?
>
>

Touche!

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote:

> > To me it's all in the alcohol content. There are some very fine Belgian
> > ales- I like Piraat. It's 10.5%.
>
> More alcohol equals more drunk. While it wasn't the case while I was in
> my 20s, I'm not in it to get buzzed or drunk. For me, it's all about
> the taste! : )

Just what sort of pirate are you anyway?

As it so happens, though, the Belgians in general produce outstanding
beers and ales. Yes, many have a high alcohol content, but they also
taste great as a rule.

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