Why no Java applets in (Java-enabled) Safari???

In <uce-1CA149.07251819012007.RemoveThis@comcast.dca.giganews.com> Gregory Weston <uce.RemoveThis@splook.com> writes:

>In article <eoq5be$6hs$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> kj <socyl.RemoveThis@987jk.com.invalid> wrote:

>> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
>> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked ...

>Java is not the same thing as JavaScript. Since the page you cited loads
>fine for me (and for you in a different browser), my first guess is that
>you haven't got JavaScript enabled in Safari. That's right below the
>Enable Java checkbox on the Security page of the prefs window.

Sorry, but JavaScript has nothing to do with it: if I disable
JavaScript in Firefox, and restart it, the page above still loads
fine, and the applets work.

(At any rate, yes, both Java *and* JavaScript have been enabled
all along.)

Don't get me wrong. I never questioned that Safari supports Java
applets. So knowing that yours is working fine is besides the
point. The fact remains that the Safari running *on my machine*
is not handling Java applets, and what I'm trying to do here is
figure out how fix this.

kj
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In article <eoqf9h$bfa$1@reader2.panix.com>,
kj <socyl.RemoveThis@987jk.com.invalid> wrote:

> In <uce-1CA149.07251819012007.RemoveThis@comcast.dca.giganews.com> Gregory Weston
> <uce.RemoveThis@splook.com> writes:
>
> >In article <eoq5be$6hs$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> > kj <socyl.RemoveThis@987jk.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
> >> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked ...
>
> >Java is not the same thing as JavaScript. Since the page you cited loads
> >fine for me (and for you in a different browser), my first guess is that
> >you haven't got JavaScript enabled in Safari. That's right below the
> >Enable Java checkbox on the Security page of the prefs window.
>
> Sorry, but JavaScript has nothing to do with it: if I disable
> JavaScript in Firefox, and restart it, the page above still loads
> fine, and the applets work.
>
> (At any rate, yes, both Java *and* JavaScript have been enabled
> all along.)
>
> Don't get me wrong. I never questioned that Safari supports Java
> applets. So knowing that yours is working fine is besides the
> point. The fact remains that the Safari running *on my machine*
> is not handling Java applets, and what I'm trying to do here is
> figure out how fix this.

There is one site I go to with Safari this happens on. Try clicking
somewhere in the window and see if all of a sudden what you've been
missing appears. Happens to me consistently on this one site.

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In article <eoqf9h$bfa$1@reader2.panix.com>,
kj <socyl DeleteThis @987jk.com.invalid> wrote:

> In <uce-1CA149.07251819012007 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com> Gregory Weston
> <uce DeleteThis @splook.com> writes:
>
> >In article <eoq5be$6hs$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> > kj <socyl DeleteThis @987jk.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
> >> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked ...
>
> >Java is not the same thing as JavaScript. Since the page you cited loads
> >fine for me (and for you in a different browser), my first guess is that
> >you haven't got JavaScript enabled in Safari. That's right below the
> >Enable Java checkbox on the Security page of the prefs window.
>
> Sorry, but JavaScript has nothing to do with it: if I disable
> JavaScript in Firefox, and restart it, the page above still loads
> fine, and the applets work.

I apologize. I was apparently reading before my eyes were fully awake.

What happens if you click the button that shows up here:

http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/faq.html#anchor9

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In <uce-677355.09130219012007 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com> Gregory Weston <uce RemoveThis @splook.com> writes:

>In article <eoqf9h$bfa$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> kj <socyl RemoveThis @987jk.com.invalid> wrote:

>> In <uce-1CA149.07251819012007 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com> Gregory Weston
>> <uce RemoveThis @splook.com> writes:
>>
>> >In article <eoq5be$6hs$1@reader2.panix.com>,
>> > kj <socyl RemoveThis @987jk.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
>> >> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked ...
>>
>> >Java is not the same thing as JavaScript. Since the page you cited loads
>> >fine for me (and for you in a different browser), my first guess is that
>> >you haven't got JavaScript enabled in Safari. That's right below the
>> >Enable Java checkbox on the Security page of the prefs window.
>>
>> Sorry, but JavaScript has nothing to do with it: if I disable
>> JavaScript in Firefox, and restart it, the page above still loads
>> fine, and the applets work.

>I apologize. I was apparently reading before my eyes were fully awake.

>What happens if you click the button that shows up here:

>http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/faq.html#anchor9

Sorry, I should have mentioned in my original post that before
posting I had in fact visited this page, clicked the "Got Java?"
button, and that the dialog saying "Congratulations! You have
Java!" came up... :/

kj
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NOTE: In my address everything before the first period is backwards;
and the last period, and everything after it, should be discarded.

kj wrote:
> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked in my Safari's Preferences >
> Security, and there's a "Java Applet.plugin" in Library/Internet
> Plug-Ins.
>
> Still, according to what I see at
>
> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/object/java/clock
>
> my Safari can't handle Java applets at all; all I see is the "cup
> of coffee" graphic that indicates that Java is not available.

The coffee-cup icons appear for a few seconds on this site even if Java
is working, btw... I assume you left it long enough to be sure the
clocks really weren't going to appear? (They do for me.)

Anything interesting happening in the Activity Window (Cmd-Opt-A)?

On 2007-01-19 05:08:46 -0500, kj <socyl DeleteThis @987jk.com.invalid> said:

>
>
> I'm at wits end here. Applets work fine in Firefox, but not in
> Safari. "Enable Java" is checked in my Safari's Preferences >
> Security, and there's a "Java Applet.plugin" in Library/Internet
> Plug-Ins.
>
> Still, according to what I see at
> http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/object/java/clock
>
> my Safari can't handle Java applets at all; all I see is the "cup
> of coffee" graphic that indicates that Java is not available.
> (FWIW, the page above displays correctly when I use Firefox.)
>
> I've run out of troubleshooting ideas. What's the next thing to
> do to get Java to work with Safari?
>
> Thanks!
>
> kj

For me, (Safari 2.0.4 - OS X 10.4.8 - DSL 1.5) the page itself took
comparatively long to show up and there were several seconds, maybe
10-15, with the coffee cups, before the clocks showed up.

Is your connection comparable or better? Is it just slow-load and and
eager eye?

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