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Charles Richmond

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:37 pm
Post subject: Using 200 Gig Hard Drive on Mac/OS 9
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Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
2000.

I understand that there are PCI disk controller cards that I
can plug into the PowerMac G4, so that I can use the entire
200 gig capacity of the hard drive. Can anyone tell me which
PCI disk controller card to buy for use in this Mac???


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Charles Richmond

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:34 pm
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nospam wrote:
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> In article <43B59A6C.ADCE7216.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>, Charles Richmond
> <richchas.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
> > 200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
> > 137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
> > 2000.
>
> this is not a mac os 9 issue, its a hardware limitation of the ata bus
> in the mac. if you boot osx you will still be limited to 137gig.
>
> you need something that supports lba48 sometimes called 'large drive
> support.' if the card supports ata6 it will have it, and occasionally
> it is found on ata5.
>
> you can get a pci card or a firewire/usb enclosure, depending if you
> want it internal or external.
>
And *which* PCI card would work for this???


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:02 pm
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> And *which* PCI card would work for this???

Jst for OS 9, you could use an Adaptec 29160N which a lot of people are
dumping on eBay since they no longer support the Mac. Still a great
card unoless you need one for OS X 10.4.3 or higher, then I'd get an
ATTO.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:33 pm
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In article <43B59A6C.ADCE7216.DeleteThis@comcast.net>,
Charles Richmond <richchas.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
> 200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
> 137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
> 2000.

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Well not quite true....where as OS9 will only recognize PARTITIONS
smaller than 137 Gb if you take a 300 Gb drive and partition it into
3 each 100 Gb partitions, you will have access to all of the drive.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:05 pm
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john15usa DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
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> > And *which* PCI card would work for this???
>
> Jst for OS 9, you could use an Adaptec 29160N which a lot of people are
> dumping on eBay since they no longer support the Mac. Still a great
> card unoless you need one for OS X 10.4.3 or higher, then I'd get an
> ATTO.
>
Sorry sir, but I have an ultra ATA hard drive. That Adaptec 29160N,
although a great card, works with SCSI devices. So what PCI card
can I get for my ultra ATA hard drive???

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Freya

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:34 pm
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> Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
> 200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
> 137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
> 2000.

I'm from a PC background and have only just got my first little mac
but on P.C's this kind of limitation is usually down to the bios on
the motherboard. If it is the same kind of thing in the mac then I
have found that with linux, once it has started booting, it is able
to bypass the bios and see the whole hard disk.

So what you could do is is format the extra space to a linux format
and use the extra space for linux. You might find that you need to
boot the linux kernal from another drive however, or OTOH you might
be able to boot the linux kernal from the part of the hard disk that
the mac can see?

(the kernal needs to load before it can see the drives for itself)

I'm not sure if this will work, but I thought it was maybe worth
mentioning.
Obviously the mac is different to the PC, at least at the moment, but
hey you already knew that! Wink

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:00 pm
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> Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
> 200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
> 137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
> 2000.

I found this link which is all about this stuff and may even have
some solutions! Smile

http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/action.lasso?-database=faq.fp3&-layout=F...ist&-re

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:04 pm
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In article <Me-082391.08344831122005.TakeThisOut@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
Me <Me.TakeThisOut@shadow.orgs> wrote:

> In article <43B59A6C.ADCE7216.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>,
> Charles Richmond <richchas.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Mac/OS 9 only recognizes hard drives up to 137 gig. I have a
> > 200 gig hard drive, but MAC/OS 9 only recognizes the first
> > 137 gig of the drive. I have a tower Mac G4 from the year
> > 2000.
>
> snipped for brevity
>
>
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>
> Well not quite true....where as OS9 will only recognize PARTITIONS
> smaller than 137 Gb if you take a 300 Gb drive and partition it into
> 3 each 100 Gb partitions, you will have access to all of the drive.
>
> Me

Uh, no.

Check the partition sizes after formatting that fatty drive in a QS2002
machine or later.

All the partitions might show up, but check the sizes of each partition
using OS X Disk Utility and you'll see that even in OS X on your your
y2k machine you will have no storage size aggregately beyond the 127G /
137G limit... OS 9 or OS X. It has to do with the internal IDE hard
drive bus.

I'm looking at a 200G drive formatted in a MDD in partitions under 100G
each and after moving it into a 2001 G4, the extra partitions are not
full sized. There's also a danger the any partition that crosses the
128G / 137G threshold may not be reliable for your data.

There's a software workaround, but it's $25 and still you must be
careful how you partition things.

You can format the drive safely as she sits using OS X in your machine,
but it will only be seen as no larger than 128G / 137G. Deal with that
or:

Easiest and most flexible: get a FireWire / USB 2.0 external box good
for up to 400G drives (fairly commonplace nowadays, although the
FireWire option will soon be phased out) and use it as an external
drive. You will get all 200G to show up, because of the IDE bus inside
the box can handle it and you'll be coming in FireWire.

You could even partition one portion FAT32 if you wanted something extra
and friendly for a Winrig to read directly. Format in OS X using Disk
Utility, make sure to include OS 9 drivers for each of the HFS+
partitions (it's obvious when you're doing to partitioning), then you're
all good to go.

Cheaper than an internal PCI IDE card, flexible for taking around and
future machines, and no limits...

further reading here:

http://www.speedtools.com/XNews.shtml
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:22 pm
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