[gentoo-user] ati-drivers-9.10 don't cooperate with xorg-s..

On 28 Oct, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:05:21 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This was working just fine:
>>
>> kernel 2.6.31-r3 + xorg-server-1.6.5 + ati-drivers-9.10
>>
>> Now
>> kernel 2.6.31-r4 + xorg-server-1.7.1 + ati-drivers-9.10
>> fail with
>>
>> (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>> dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol:
>> resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load
>> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>>
>>
>> Is there any fix already?
>
>
> Apparently not. The conflict lies in the ati drivers and you will have to wait
> for ATI to support xorg-1.7 before upgrading.
>
> There's a bug on b.g.o. which I read last night that has more info. Search
> for xorg-server, it's near the end of the list (clearly marked)
>

Thanks for pointing this out to me.
There should be a warning, since, as many others found out, as well,
it's not that easier to step back to xorg-server-1.6.5

(I for myself stepped back to the radeonhd driver for my ATI card
which works with xorg-server-1.7.1)

Helmut.


--
Helmut Jarausch

Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:12:32 +0200, Alan McKinnon
<alan.mckinnon.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:05:21 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This was working just fine:
>>
>> kernel 2.6.31-r3 + xorg-server-1.6.5 + ati-drivers-9.10
>>
>> Now
>> kernel 2.6.31-r4 + xorg-server-1.7.1 + ati-drivers-9.10
>> fail with
>>
>> (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>> dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol:
>> resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load
>> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>>
>>
>> Is there any fix already?
>
>
> Apparently not. The conflict lies in the ati drivers and you will have
to
> wait
> for ATI to support xorg-1.7 before upgrading.
>
> There's a bug on b.g.o. which I read last night that has more info.
> Search
> for xorg-server, it's near the end of the list (clearly marked)

There's a thread in the forum as well. Searching for fglrx it's the first
one right now, though it's titled towards nvidia. But just look inside.
there are instructions on how to revert back. However, the following rule
always holds true if you are using fglrx (and to some extent, the nvidia
driver): before updating your system, check if there's any important update
for X, and if so, please, always triple check in the forum and the web that
the new X release is supported by your drivers.

At least for fglrx, this is almost never true so the regular procedure is
to mask the packages that are about to be updated, and check again when a
new ati-drivers revision is in place.
--
Jesús Guerrero

On 28 Oct, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> There's a thread in the forum as well. Searching for fglrx it's the first
> one right now, though it's titled towards nvidia. But just look inside.
> there are instructions on how to revert back. However, the following rule
> always holds true if you are using fglrx (and to some extent, the nvidia
> driver): before updating your system, check if there's any important update
> for X, and if so, please, always triple check in the forum and the web that
> the new X release is supported by your drivers.
>
> At least for fglrx, this is almost never true so the regular procedure is
> to mask the packages that are about to be updated, and check again when a
> new ati-drivers revision is in place.

The 9.10 release of ati-drivers is quite recent and appered after
xorg-server-1.7.0 so I had some hope.

Helmut.

--
Helmut Jarausch

Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany

On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:45:27 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> On 28 Oct, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:05:21 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> This was working just fine:
> >>
> >> kernel 2.6.31-r3 + xorg-server-1.6.5 + ati-drivers-9.10
> >>
> >> Now
> >> kernel 2.6.31-r4 + xorg-server-1.7.1 + ati-drivers-9.10
> >> fail with
> >>
> >> (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
> >> dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol:
> >> resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load
> >> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there any fix already?
> >
> > Apparently not. The conflict lies in the ati drivers and you will have to
> > wait for ATI to support xorg-1.7 before upgrading.
> >
> > There's a bug on b.g.o. which I read last night that has more info.
> > Search for xorg-server, it's near the end of the list (clearly marked)
>
> Thanks for pointing this out to me.
> There should be a warning, since, as many others found out, as well,
> it's not that easier to step back to xorg-server-1.6.5

"not that easy" ... now there's an understatement

The nvidia drivers sensibly block the latest xorg-server.

--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:59:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon
<alan.mckinnon.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:45:27 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>> On 28 Oct, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:05:21 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> This was working just fine:
>> >>
>> >> kernel 2.6.31-r3 + xorg-server-1.6.5 + ati-drivers-9.10
>> >>
>> >> Now
>> >> kernel 2.6.31-r4 + xorg-server-1.7.1 + ati-drivers-9.10
>> >> fail with
>> >>
>> >> (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>> >> dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined
>> >> symbol:
>> >> resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load
>> >> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there any fix already?
>> >
>> > Apparently not. The conflict lies in the ati drivers and you will
have
>> > to
>> > wait for ATI to support xorg-1.7 before upgrading.
>> >
>> > There's a bug on b.g.o. which I read last night that has more info.
>> > Search for xorg-server, it's near the end of the list (clearly
marked)
>>
>> Thanks for pointing this out to me.
>> There should be a warning, since, as many others found out, as well,
>> it's not that easier to step back to xorg-server-1.6.5
>
> "not that easy" ... now there's an understatement

Well, it's truly not for the newbie, but it's not complicated either.
After all, you are using ~arch, so.....

> The nvidia drivers sensibly block the latest xorg-server.

That's what blockers are for: they prevent incompatible packages from
being installed together, right? So you can choose what action of course
you want to follow. At least your system keeps working instead of throwing
you to a text console and greeting you with an undefined symbol message.

--
Jesús Guerrero

On Mittwoch 28 Oktober 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> On 28 Oct, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> > There's a thread in the forum as well. Searching for fglrx it's the first
> > one right now, though it's titled towards nvidia. But just look inside.
> > there are instructions on how to revert back. However, the following rule
> > always holds true if you are using fglrx (and to some extent, the nvidia
> > driver): before updating your system, check if there's any important
> > update for X, and if so, please, always triple check in the forum and the
> > web that the new X release is supported by your drivers.
> >
> > At least for fglrx, this is almost never true so the regular procedure is
> > to mask the packages that are about to be updated, and check again when a
> > new ati-drivers revision is in place.
>
> The 9.10 release of ati-drivers is quite recent and appered after
> xorg-server-1.7.0 so I had some hope.
>
> Helmut.
>

there is a three month dev cycle and they only work with released software. So
January is a fair guess. Maybe February. Unluckily Ubuntu is not using this X
version or they would have been a bit quicker

On Mittwoch 28 Oktober 2009, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:59:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon
> <alan.mckinnon.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:45:27 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> >> On 28 Oct, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:05:21 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> This was working just fine:
> >> >>
> >> >> kernel 2.6.31-r3 + xorg-server-1.6.5 + ati-drivers-9.10
> >> >>
> >> >> Now
> >> >> kernel 2.6.31-r4 + xorg-server-1.7.1 + ati-drivers-9.10
> >> >> fail with
> >> >>
> >> >> (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
> >> >> dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined
> >> >> symbol:
> >> >> resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load
> >> >> /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there any fix already?
> >> >
> >> > Apparently not. The conflict lies in the ati drivers and you will
>
> have
>
> >> > to
> >> > wait for ATI to support xorg-1.7 before upgrading.
> >> >
> >> > There's a bug on b.g.o. which I read last night that has more info.
> >> > Search for xorg-server, it's near the end of the list (clearly
>
> marked)
>
> >> Thanks for pointing this out to me.
> >> There should be a warning, since, as many others found out, as well,
> >> it's not that easier to step back to xorg-server-1.6.5
> >
> > "not that easy" ... now there's an understatement
>
> Well, it's truly not for the newbie, but it's not complicated either.
> After all, you are using ~arch, so.....

for me it was true horror because libxtst refused to build. I downgraded all
the headers, and it failed and failed and failed.

Until I remembered that I have packages for everything.... usepkg can make
life so much easier.