[gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

Am 01.10.2009 08:27, schrieb daid kahl:

> What all do you unmask for this? I'm still kicking around 3.5.10, but I
> wouldn't mind some updated apps, and some of the new Konsole features sound
> useful (which is ironic, since they were laid out as to why there aren't
> differences from 3.5.10...)

I don't know what was exactly needed to unmask because I go ~amd64 since
some time now. To prevent kde4 to install full I have it hard masked in
package.mask and use autounmask to unmask the parts I want to use. You
could use autounmask -p kde-base/konsole-4.3.1-r1 to see what would be
unmasked.

> Of course I wouldn't mind Okular either, but I think this needs the full
> kde4 libraries.

I use Okular here and it works really fine.
Ok, I have 8GB RAM so the additional libs from kde4 don't hurt here.

Greetings

Sebastian

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:27:47 +0900, daid kahl <daidxor RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Change it in Systemsettings. I use konsole-4.3.1 with kde-3.5.10 and
>> after the change it opens firefox for me.
>>
>>
> What all do you unmask for this? I'm still kicking around 3.5.10, but I
> wouldn't mind some updated apps, and some of the new Konsole features
sound
> useful (which is ironic, since they were laid out as to why there aren't
> differences from 3.5.10...)
>
> Of course I wouldn't mind Okular either, but I think this needs the full
> kde4 libraries.

I don't know if I understand you well, but either way you'll need kdelibs
for *any* kde package, konsole is no exception. It's perfectly possible to
have 3.x and 4.x installed alongside, but if you use both at the same time
it will of course cause an extra "waste" of ram. There's no work around for
that because you will have to load the run time stuff for both kde 3.x and
4.x, but nothing that a modern desktop machine should be worried about.

You can start by keywording kdelibs and konsole for your ~arch, then try
to emerge and go from there.
--
Jesús Guerrero

Volker Armin Hemmann writes:

> On Dienstag 29 September 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Philip Webb writes:
> > > I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 .
> >
> > Thanks for doing so! Hopefully this will improve KDE.
> >
> > I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2, and I
> > hope at least some of them have been fixed already. But I will wait
> > with the update until I have some time, because normally I need my PC
> > with KDE running, and I fear something will go wrong while updating. I
> > will report those bugs that are still happening with 4.3.

> quickpkg. Update goes wrong. Go back with --usepgk
>
> Makes downgrades quick and painless.

Right. Although this will be a huge list of packages, as I have to remove
all of KDE 4.2 first because of removing the kdeprefix use flag.

And then... some days ago I wanted to try ati-drivers-9.8, and had to
upgrade 6 packages, xorg-1.6 and such. I quickpkg'd them, tried the new
drivers (no success of course), downgraded with --usepkg, and still I cannot
get it to work again. I am using the radeon drivers for now until I get some
time to figure this out.

Wonko

Alex Schuster writes:

> And then... some days ago I wanted to try ati-drivers-9.8, and had to
> upgrade 6 packages, xorg-1.6 and such. I quickpkg'd them, tried the new
> drivers (no success of course), downgraded with --usepkg, and still I
> cannot get it to work again. I am using the radeon drivers for now until
> I get some time to figure this out.

Now I took some time and upgraded to xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2 again. At
first, X started fine, but I had no keyboard and mouse. As before, which I
workarounded by compiling xorg-server without hal. It turned out I had to
re-compile xf86-input-evdev. Had forgotten this, although it is in the
'qlist -I -C x11-drivers/' output and the xorg-server ebuild told me to
rebuild all this.
Now, the good thing is that X is running, I have mouse and keyboard. German
keyboard, configured by hal, not directly in xorg.conf. Hooray. The bad
thing is that I only get a blank screen, regardless of the driver (fglrx,
radeonhd, radeon, vesa, ati). With one driver I was even able to change the
screen resolution vial Ctrl-Alt-+, my monitor showed this, but it still was
blank. I also tried xorg-server-1.6.4, with the same result.

Now I went back to xorg-server-1.5.3-r7, re-compiled everything X related,
and at least it is working again.

Wonko

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb <purslow RemoveThis @ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 090929 Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb <purslow RemoveThis @ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>> The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 ,
>> According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added :
>
> Quick reactions, further advice welcome :
>
>> automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial
>> split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs
>> performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it
>> better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly
>> runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ?
>> can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it
>> easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it
>> much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10)
>> real transparency -- don't need it
>> new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox)
>> open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial
>> mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes
>
> So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally.
>
>> What's missing from the 3.x series ?
>
> A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above),
> set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list).
>
> I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 & 4.5.1 ,
> but it hasn't happened yet.

Hi,

Points well taken; I don't use the features you're missing and
honestly I don't use most of the new ones either. "Open Browser
Here" is the most useful one to me (it even works in Midnight
Commander relative to which pane is currently active).

In re-reading my previous message to you in this thread I hope it
didn't seem confrontational to you, or if it led people to pile on,
that was not my intention at all. I was simply curious what was
missing since the few features I use seemed to have gone unchanged or
been improved. So my apologies in case you took it that way. Often
I'll write short, direct e-mails on these lists while I'm on a phone
call or doing other things and sometimes lack the forethought or
communication skills necessary to convey the
almost-certainly-always-good-spirited nature of my question.

Thanks
Paul