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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:38 am
Post subject: advice from experience
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I did something very clever to improve my configuration of Fedora 9. To make
a long story short I had to reinstall.
After that I followed my usual good advice and before going to bed executed
yum -y update
It failed completely. I tried upgrading some packages that I use most often
and about half of them failed. In all the failures missing dependencies was
one of the reasons for failure and yum threatened to delete lots of things it
found unused.
Best I can figure is this is a consequence of Redhat's repository problems.
Before the reinstall I had kept current and when the new repository appeared
it continued from the previous updates. I guess the problem is all the
intervening updates from the initial release did not make it to the new
repository.
The advice is, when Fedora 10 comes out later this month, 25th it appears,
destroy F9 installation disks as they is no longer of any value for new
installs or reinstalls. Or give them to your worst enemy if that is your
inclination.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:23 am
Post subject: Re: advice from experience [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> I did something very clever to improve my configuration of Fedora 9.
> To make a long story short I had to reinstall.
Did you re-insall from scratch, or did you re-install on top of your existing
installation? The latter is what it sounds like.
> After that I followed my usual good advice and before going to bed
> executed
>
> yum -y update
>
> It failed completely. I tried upgrading some packages that I use
> most often and about half of them failed. In all the failures missing
> dependencies was one of the reasons for failure and yum threatened to
> delete lots of things it found unused.
>
> Best I can figure is this is a consequence of Redhat's repository
> problems. Before the reinstall I had kept current and when the new
> repository appeared it continued from the previous updates. I guess the
> problem is all the intervening updates from the initial release did not
> make it to the new repository.
Oh. If what happend is that you did not get the new repositories in your yum
configuration, you need to update 'fedora'release' first and look at your
/etc/yum.repos.d/ files. You need to have the new 'rpms.newkey' repositories
to your yum list.
The problem with the yum repositories has been a real problem, and there have
been enough oddnesses such as 'subcommander' requiring the subversion 1.4.x,
even though subversion 1.5.x is out and there are resulting library dependency
problems, that a wholesale update sounds like a good idea.
> The advice is, when Fedora 10 comes out later this month, 25th it
> appears, destroy F9 installation disks as they is no longer of any value
> for new installs or reinstalls. Or give them to your worst enemy if that
> is your inclination.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:36 pm
Post subject: Re: advice from experience [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
>> I did something very clever to improve my configuration of Fedora
>> 9. To make a long story short I had to reinstall.
>
> Did you re-insall from scratch, or did you re-install on top of your
> existing installation? The latter is what it sounds like.
I did it as a new installation with the drive reformatted. I use a 40G HD for
the OS. All the data is on other drives.
>> After that I followed my usual good advice and before going to bed
>> executed
>>
>> yum -y update
>>
>> It failed completely. I tried upgrading some packages that I use
>> most often and about half of them failed. In all the failures missing
>> dependencies was one of the reasons for failure and yum threatened to
>> delete lots of things it found unused.
>>
>> Best I can figure is this is a consequence of Redhat's repository
>> problems. Before the reinstall I had kept current and when the new
>> repository appeared it continued from the previous updates. I guess
>> the problem is all the intervening updates from the initial release
>> did not make it to the new repository.
>
> Oh. If what happend is that you did not get the new repositories in your
> yum configuration, you need to update 'fedora'release' first and look at
> your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files. You need to have the new 'rpms.newkey'
> repositories to your yum list.
I did get the new repository. When I ran yum the first time it only found six
files. One of them included the new repository. When I ran it the second time
I get the expected hundreds of updates. The problems I reported occurred not
only on that update but on many updates of only one or two apps.
> The problem with the yum repositories has been a real problem, and there
> have been enough oddnesses such as 'subcommander' requiring the
> subversion 1.4.x, even though subversion 1.5.x is out and there are
> resulting library dependency problems, that a wholesale update sounds
> like a good idea.
As one who remembers dependency hell I can tolerate a lot of things. Even so
on new installations it has been my policy since yum was available to yum -y
update as the last thing I do before bed.
>> The advice is, when Fedora 10 comes out later this month, 25th it
>> appears, destroy F9 installation disks as they is no longer of any
>> value for new installs or reinstalls. Or give them to your worst enemy
>> if that is your inclination.
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nearly 3000 people dying in seconds. When you see the film of the Hiroshima
bomb you see twenty times as many people dying in a fraction the time.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:42 am
Post subject: Re: advice from experience [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> I did something very clever to improve my configuration of Fedora
>>> 9. To make a long story short I had to reinstall.
>>
>> Did you re-insall from scratch, or did you re-install on top of your
>> existing installation? The latter is what it sounds like.
>
> I did it as a new installation with the drive reformatted. I use a
> 40G HD for the OS. All the data is on other drives.
That makes sense. Then you're right, the repos are screwed up, unless you've
added some third-party components that themselves are triggering dependency hell.
>> Oh. If what happend is that you did not get the new repositories in
>> your yum configuration, you need to update 'fedora'release' first and
>> look at your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files. You need to have the new
>> 'rpms.newkey' repositories to your yum list.
>
> I did get the new repository. When I ran yum the first time it only
> found six files. One of them included the new repository. When I ran it
> the second time I get the expected hundreds of updates. The problems I
> reported occurred not only on that update but on many updates of only
> one or two apps.
Hmm. Can you run a loop to go through the updated packages and update them one
at a time with yum? That should get you through the worst of it.
>> The problem with the yum repositories has been a real problem, and
>> there have been enough oddnesses such as 'subcommander' requiring the
>> subversion 1.4.x, even though subversion 1.5.x is out and there are
>> resulting library dependency problems, that a wholesale update sounds
>> like a good idea.
>
> As one who remembers dependency hell I can tolerate a lot of things.
> Even so on new installations it has been my policy since yum was
> available to yum -y update as the last thing I do before bed.
Yeah, I do it in my kickstarts.
>>> The advice is, when Fedora 10 comes out later this month, 25th it
>>> appears, destroy F9 installation disks as they is no longer of any
>>> value for new installs or reinstalls. Or give them to your worst
>>> enemy if that is your inclination.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:12 pm
Post subject: Re: advice from experience [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
> ....
>>> I did get the new repository. When I ran yum the first time it
>>> only found six files. One of them included the new repository. When I
>>> ran it the second time I get the expected hundreds of updates. The
>>> problems I reported occurred not only on that update but on many
>>> updates of only one or two apps.
>
>> Hmm. Can you run a loop to go through the updated packages and update
>> them one at a time with yum? That should get you through the worst of it.
>
> Haven't tried but doubt it as it has happened with even one apps to
> update. And to do that I would have to do -y just in case some of them
> work. But should one work and still tell me it will remove packages it
> finds no use for it could screw the installation. If F10 were not coming
> out soon I might be tempted to work on it. I posted just to say F9 is
> not worth keeping around and should not be used after F10 comes out.
>
> Every time there is a bug fix issued comparing the new and old
> source code should make it easy to find the vulnerability that was
> fixed. That can be exploited to attack older releases and the present
> release that is not updated.
>
Well, the loop is pretty easy. There's usually one screwball package that
everything is hung on: I've had that occur with doing forklift updates at
kickstart installation time, especially when I have a lot of RPMforge provided
components. In Fedora 9 right now, subcommander requires a much more recent
version of subversion than the repository I use has. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:42 pm
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>> ....
>>>> I did get the new repository. When I ran yum the first time it
>>>> only found six files. One of them included the new repository. When
>>>> I ran it the second time I get the expected hundreds of updates. The
>>>> problems I reported occurred not only on that update but on many
>>>> updates of only one or two apps.
>>
>>> Hmm. Can you run a loop to go through the updated packages and update
>>> them one at a time with yum? That should get you through the worst of
>>> it.
>>
>> Haven't tried but doubt it as it has happened with even one apps
>> to update. And to do that I would have to do -y just in case some of
>> them work. But should one work and still tell me it will remove
>> packages it finds no use for it could screw the installation. If F10
>> were not coming out soon I might be tempted to work on it. I posted
>> just to say F9 is not worth keeping around and should not be used
>> after F10 comes out.
>>
>> Every time there is a bug fix issued comparing the new and old
>> source code should make it easy to find the vulnerability that was
>> fixed. That can be exploited to attack older releases and the present
>> release that is not updated.
>>
>
> Well, the loop is pretty easy.
Something like
#!/bin/bash
while [ $# -gt 0 ];
do
yum -y $1
shift;
done
> There's usually one screwball package that everything is hung on:
In this case it is many packages. And its threat to remove things it finds no
use for should not be taken lightly.
> I've had that occur with doing forklift
> updates at kickstart installation time, especially when I have a lot of
> RPMforge provided components. In Fedora 9 right now, subcommander
> requires a much more recent version of subversion than the repository I
> use has.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:49 am
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> ....
>>>>> I did get the new repository. When I ran yum the first time it
>>>>> only found six files. One of them included the new repository. When
>>>>> I ran it the second time I get the expected hundreds of updates.
>>>>> The problems I reported occurred not only on that update but on
>>>>> many updates of only one or two apps.
>>>
>>>> Hmm. Can you run a loop to go through the updated packages and
>>>> update them one at a time with yum? That should get you through the
>>>> worst of it.
>>>
>>> Haven't tried but doubt it as it has happened with even one apps
>>> to update. And to do that I would have to do -y just in case some of
>>> them work. But should one work and still tell me it will remove
>>> packages it finds no use for it could screw the installation. If F10
>>> were not coming out soon I might be tempted to work on it. I posted
>>> just to say F9 is not worth keeping around and should not be used
>>> after F10 comes out.
>>>
>>> Every time there is a bug fix issued comparing the new and old
>>> source code should make it easy to find the vulnerability that was
>>> fixed. That can be exploited to attack older releases and the present
>>> release that is not updated.
>>>
>>
>> Well, the loop is pretty easy.
>
> Something like
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> while [ $# -gt 0 ];
> do
>
> yum -y $1
>
> shift;
>
> done
No, no, you need to try them one at a time.
yum clean all # to flush out of date repositories
yum check-update # to get a report
yum check-update | awk '{print $1}' | sort -u | while read name; do
echo Checking $name for updates
yum -y update $name
done
yum check-update # to get an updated report
You can get more efficient by parsing the output of 'yum check-update', and
somewhat fancier to avoid GPG public keys.
>> There's usually one screwball package that everything is hung on:
>
> In this case it is many packages. And its threat to remove things it
> finds no use for should not be taken lightly.
But it's the one package that causes the others to be impossible to update,
*usually*. It was NLS at one point with RHEL 4.x |
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