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Phillip Pi

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:00 am
Post subject: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4?
Archived from groups: linux>debian>maint>kde (more info?)
Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I would like to upgrade
to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had
these dependencies:

# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
akode ark arts artsbuilder dcoprss guarddog k3b k3blibs kaboodle kappfinder kate kate-plugins
kaudiocreator kcalc
kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin
kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style
kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs
kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelirc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
kdenetwork
kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdeutils kdf
kdict kdvi kedit
kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker
kicker-applets kiconedit
kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon klinkstatus klipper kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix kmoon kmrml
knewsticker
kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korn kpackage
kpager kpdf
kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd kscreensaver
kscreensaver-xsavers ksig
ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef ktux
kuickshow kuser kview
kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libkcddb1
libkonq4 libneon23
libreadline4 libreadline5 librss1 licq licq-plugin-qt mpeglib noatun noatun-plugins
openssh-client openssh-server
pinentry-qt qtparted secpolicy udev vimpart wget xserver-common
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 138 not upgraded.


I still run into dependency issues that I am worried about like these:
# apt-get install udev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
hotplug
The following packages will be upgraded:
udev
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 137 not upgraded.
Need to get 314kB of archives.
After unpacking 291kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
Note: I think I need hotplug for USB Flash sticks/drives?

# apt-get install licq
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
libgpgme6 licq-plugin-rms
Suggested packages:
kmail
The following packages will be REMOVED:
licq-plugin-qt
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libgpgme6 licq-plugin-rms
The following packages will be upgraded:
licq
1 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 136 not upgraded.
Need to get 740kB of archives.
After unpacking 2990kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
Note: I actually upgraded, and my Licq broke.

# apt-get install xserver-common
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Suggested packages:
xserver-xorg xserver configlet-frontends
The following packages will be REMOVED:
xserver-xfree86
The following packages will be upgraded:
xserver-common
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 137 not upgraded.
Need to get 369kB of archives.
After unpacking 16.0MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
Note: Is this safe? I still XFree86 and NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 with the latest NVIDIA driver
from nvidia.com.

# apt-get install k3b
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
akode akregator ark arts artsbuilder dbus-qt-1c2 dcoprss guarddog k3blibs kaboodle
kaddressbook kappfinder kate
kate-plugins kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin
kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase-bin kdebase-data
kdebase-kio-plugins
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2 kdelirc
kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint
kdesktop kdessh kdf kdict
kdvi kedit kfilereplace kfind kfloppy kgamma kget kghostview kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker
kicker-applets
kiconedit kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon klinkstatus klipper kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix
kmoon kmrml knewsticker
kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korn kpackage
kpager kpdf
kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd kscreensaver
kscreensaver-xsavers ksig
ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip ktnef ktux
kuickshow kuser kview
kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libarts1c2
libbluetooth1
libflac++5 libgnokii2 libgpgme11 libgpgme6 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdepim1a libkleopatra0a
libkmime2 libkonq4
libktnef1 libmusicbrainz4c2 liboggflac3 libopenexr2c2 libqt3-mt librss1 libsasl2-modules
libsnmp9 libtag1c2
libxcomposite1 libxdamage1 libxfixes3 licq licq-plugin-qt mpeglib noatun noatun-plugins
perl-suid pinentry-qt
qtparted secpolicy vimpart
Suggested packages:
k3b-i18n normalize-audio toolame movixmaker-2 normalize kdepim-kresources aspell konq-speaker
kdeaddons-doc-html
kdeadmin-doc-html efax hylafax-client mgetty-fax gv quanta kdewebdev-doc-html kdetoys-doc-html
kommander-dev
kdeartwork-emoticons gpg gnomemeeting povray kmail libqt3-mt-psql libqt3-mt-mysql
libqt3-mt-odbc pinentry-doc
Recommended packages:
ncompress vcdimager cdrdao dvd+rw-tools vorbis-tools flac lilo-config kamera tetex-bin
xfonts-konsole qca-tls rpm
rdesktop libio-socket-ssl-perl jfsutils xfsprogs
The following packages will be REMOVED:
dbus-qt-1 kcmlinuz kdelibs4 libarts1 libkdenetwork2 libmimelib1a libmusicbrainz4 libopenexr2
libqt3c102-mt libtag1
The following NEW packages will be installed:
akregator dbus-qt-1c2 kaddressbook kdelibs4c2 libarts1c2 libbluetooth1 libflac++5 libgnokii2
libgpgme11 libgpgme6
libkcal2b libkdepim1a libkleopatra0a libkmime2 libktnef1 libmusicbrainz4c2 liboggflac3
libopenexr2c2 libqt3-mt
libsasl2-modules libsnmp9 libtag1c2 libxcomposite1 libxdamage1 libxfixes3 perl-suid
The following packages will be upgraded:
akode ark arts artsbuilder dcoprss guarddog k3b k3blibs kaboodle kappfinder kate kate-plugins
kaudiocreator kcalc
kcharselect kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin
kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style
kdeartwork-theme-window kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
kdelibs kdelibs-bin
kdelibs-data kdelirc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd
kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh kdf kdict kdvi kedit kfilereplace kfind kfloppy
kgamma kget kghostview
kgpg khelpcenter khexedit kicker kicker-applets kiconedit kimagemapeditor kjots klaptopdaemon
klinkstatus klipper
kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmix kmoon kmrml knewsticker kolourpaint kommander konq-plugins konqueror
konqueror-nsplugins
konsole kopete korn kpackage kpager kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec
kregexpeditor krfb kruler kscd
kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers ksig ksim ksirc ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksysguard
ksysguardd ksysv ktimer
ktip ktnef ktux kuickshow kuser kview kviewshell kwalletmanager kwifimanager kwin kxsldbg
libarts1-mpeglib
libarts1-xine libkcddb1 libkonq4 librss1 licq licq-plugin-qt mpeglib noatun noatun-plugins
pinentry-qt qtparted
secpolicy vimpart
127 upgraded, 26 newly installed, 10 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
Need to get 102MB of archives.
After unpacking 20.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
Note: Sounds scary! Removing a lot of stuff too.

If it is still not time to do a full upgrade, when will it be? A few more months? Thank you in
advance. Smile
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:00 am
Post subject: Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:56 pm, Phillip Pi wrote:
> Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I
> would like to upgrade to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not
> ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had these dependencies:

If there ever was the promised "it's safe now" message, I never noticed it.

I finally decided to try for some reason or other, after waiting maybe six
weeks, and it didn't go too badly. I think two or three comparatively minor
things broke, which I had to address by hand.

That was a week or two ago, so chances are good that it's safe to come out now
and give it a whirl.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:10 am
Post subject: Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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2005/10/9, Phillip Pi <ant.DeleteThis@zimage.com>:
> Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I would like to upgrade
> to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready?
[...]
> I still run into dependency issues that I am worried about like these:
> # apt-get install udev
[...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> hotplug
[...]
> Note: I think I need hotplug for USB Flash sticks/drives?

hotplug support is integrated into udev now. Read udev's changelog for
more information.

> # apt-get install licq
[...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> licq-plugin-qt
[...]
> Note: I actually upgraded, and my Licq broke.

Install licq-plugin-kde

> # apt-get install xserver-common
[...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> xserver-xfree86
[...]
> Note: Is this safe? I still XFree86 and NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4200 with the latest NVIDIA driver
> from nvidia.com.

Xorg + nvidia drivers don't work worse than with XFree here.

> # apt-get install k3b
[...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[...]
> Note: Sounds scary! Removing a lot of stuff too.

Nothing is removed but replaced by packages with new names which was
necessary because of the C++ compiler transition process.

> If it is still not time to do a full upgrade, when will it be? A few more months?

I had no problem with the current KDE so far. At least there seem to
be not more bugs than in older KDE packages. Wink

Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because
the configuration of hotplug changed.



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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:10 am
Post subject: Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 12:34:31AM -0400, Silvan wrote:
> On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:56 pm, Phillip Pi wrote:
> > Hello! I am still using KDE v3.3.2 on my Debian (Kernel 2.6.12-K7) box. I
> > would like to upgrade to 3.4 if possible, but I was told that it is not
> > ready weeks ago. Is it still not ready? I had these dependencies:
>
> If there ever was the promised "it's safe now" message, I never noticed it.
>
> I finally decided to try for some reason or other, after waiting maybe six
> weeks, and it didn't go too badly. I think two or three comparatively minor
> things broke, which I had to address by hand.

Which things broke?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 am
Post subject: Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sunday 09 October 2005 08:19, Phillip Pi wrote:
> OK, I decided to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I ran into problems
> in starting X. Sad I copied and pasted a copy of my apt-get logs in
> the bottom of the e-mail. I did not see any errors. When I use
> "startx" command (I boot up Linux into text mode; no GUI), startx
> just hangs. I tried with two different non-root accounts. I even
> checked /var/log/XFree86*.log files, but didn't see anything updated.
> I did notice a couple times startx gave me "xinit: Server error."
>
> What's wrong? And how do I fix it? I am still sort of new to Linux
> and this was my first time I ever did a full upgrade that required a
> lot of dependencies. I hope I didn't cause too many damages. I was
> careful to do it outside of X to avoid any conflicts, files in used,
> etc.

You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg).


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:00 am
Post subject: Re: Safe to upgrade my KDE 3.3.2 to v3.4? [startx doesn't work -- freezes OR "xinit: Server error" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> > OK, I decided to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I ran into problems
> > in starting X. Sad I copied and pasted a copy of my apt-get logs in
> > the bottom of the e-mail. I did not see any errors. When I use
> > "startx" command (I boot up Linux into text mode; no GUI), startx
> > just hangs. I tried with two different non-root accounts. I even
> > checked /var/log/XFree86*.log files, but didn't see anything updated.
> > I did notice a couple times startx gave me "xinit: Server error."
> >
> > What's wrong? And how do I fix it? I am still sort of new to Linux
> > and this was my first time I ever did a full upgrade that required a
> > lot of dependencies. I hope I didn't cause too many damages. I was
> > careful to do it outside of X to avoid any conflicts, files in used,
> > etc.
>
> You've to upgrade to Xorg too (at least xserver-xorg).

Ahhh! Isn't Xorg completely different from X11 or is that just a new name but still the same
thing? I wonder why apt-get distupgrade didn't see that dependency if I needed it. Weird.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:40 pm
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Am Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 10:15 schrieb Phillip Pi:
> > Do you've x-window-system (-core) installed? It depends on xserver-org.
>
> Currently, no:
> # apt-get install x-window-core
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> E: Couldn't find package x-window-core

The package is called x-windows-system-core.

> Do I need this x-window-system? I noticed apt-get wants to remove
> xlibmesa-glu packages. Isn't this for 3D stuff like in xscreensavers (not
> KDE's screen savers), games, etc.? --

Ever thought about that x.org packages comes with new package names? Never
mind such lib packages as they get installed automatically if a program needs
it.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:40 pm
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Am Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 07:04 schrieb Björn Krombholz:
> Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because
> the configuration of hotplug changed.

If you don't use self-compiled kernel and want ALSA to work, you might want to
wait till the packages that blacklist stuff changed to the modutils method.

Actually, the idea of udev was to have something for a specific purpose, just
like hotplug for loading modules and running scripts.
Currently, Debian's udev maintainer wants udev to be the ultimate userspace
thing. Sounds to be like another usage that it was not really designed
for Sad
And just because they cannot get the damn synchronisation between the two
right.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:40 pm
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On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 12:21:12PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:

> > Take a look at the docs, especially for the new udev-package, because
> > the configuration of hotplug changed.
>
> If you don't use self-compiled kernel and want ALSA to work, you might want to
> wait till the packages that blacklist stuff changed to the modutils method.

AFAIK, I don't think I use ALSA according to apt-get:
# apt-get remove alsa-base
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package alsa-base is not installed, so not removed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.

I am using the onboard motherboard's audio (RealTek ALC650 6-channel audio). I am using the
default Kernel 2.6.12-K7 from apt-get.
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