Port maintainers.

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Gerfried Fuchs <rhonda.DeleteThis@deb.at> wrote:
> There is a link to the information page at the top.

Ah, I see.

> Well, filling the informations in the linked page surely helps. It is
> though a bit hard to gather these informations - the requalification
> page from last year didn't contain some of the informations that are
> requested this time, and with some people it's hard to receive much
> feedback, unfortunately.

Hmm. I thought there were more technically challenging tasks to be done
Since I am currently porting another distribution to Cell as my daily
job, I've got a whole bunch of ppc64 hardware lying around, and most
of it runs Debian, since the "other distro" exists as of now only as a
chroot.

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On Jul 20 2008, Wartan Hachaturow wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Gerfried Fuchs <rhonda.TakeThisOut@deb.at> wrote:
> > Well, filling the informations in the linked page surely helps. It is
> > though a bit hard to gather these informations - the requalification
> > page from last year didn't contain some of the informations that are
> > requested this time, and with some people it's hard to receive much
> > feedback, unfortunately.
>
> Hmm. I thought there were more technically challenging tasks to be
> done

Indeed, caring about the problems about porting some piece of software
to another arch may involve a lot of intermediation with upstream.

> Since I am currently porting another distribution to Cell as my daily
> job, I've got a whole bunch of ppc64 hardware lying around, and most
> of it runs Debian, since the "other distro" exists as of now only as a
> chroot.

It is quite a pity that such hardware is extremely hard to get here. In
fact, anything that is not Microsoft or that is not *86 is almost
impossible to get.

As I understand it, Apple (when they had the PowerPC line) never cared
about our market here in Brazil and when I bought my iBook G3, I could
have, if I had taken a trip to, say, the US, bought the top of the line
PowerBook, with lots of built to order options. I spent more or less 3
times the price of my iBook, if not more. Of course, I would have
problems with customs if I did what I just mentioned (having to pay
taxes for importing something).

Of course, "what a poor country" (ahem!) could offer them in terms of
sales?

By suggestion of Rhonda, I registered myself as a potential
maintainer/helper of the PowerPC port, but as I can't even get wireless
working after a lot of blood, sweat and tears with an USB dongle that
has sources included in the upstream Linux kernel, I'm prevented from
working in many places and didn't include my name there.

Oh, sure, the form factor of my iBook is something that I like. And I
would like to continue working on PowerPC, as a different platform is
way cool and trying to parallelize programs is a really nice thing. But,
it seems that I won't be able to, say, get a nice environment on ppc too
soon.


Regards, Rogério Brito.

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Le Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:45:42PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit :
>
> Well, filling the informations in the linked page surely helps. It is
> though a bit hard to gather these informations - the requalification
> page from last year didn't contain some of the informations that are
> requested this time, and with some people it's hard to receive much
> feedback, unfortunately.

Hi all,

let's ask on the list, then

Users: is there a proeminent website, or an organisation that uses the
Debian powerPC port? How many users and machines does it represent?

Developpers: is there a permanent team or a developper commited on long
term that keeps the kernel, the glibc, the gcc and the boot loaders
working and up to date?

Debian: who admins the buildds, who host the buildds, and where ?

Have a nice day,

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On Jul 20, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:

> Users: is there a proeminent website, or an organisation that uses the
> Debian powerPC port? How many users and machines does it represent?

I wouldn't say it was "prominent", but all 7 of the Linux machines in
my house are Macs running Debian (various releases).

I try to help with testing new releases when I can.

Rick


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Hi there.

On Jul 21 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> let's ask on the list, then
>
> Users: is there a proeminent website, or an organisation that uses the
> Debian powerPC port? How many users and machines does it represent?

Not exactly a website/organization, but the page of the PowerPC port:
<http://penguinppc.org/>. It lists many links, like development etc.

There are the statistics generated by popcon and this is a nice
indicative of how many people are using Debian by each architecture.

> Developpers: is there a permanent team or a developper commited on long
> term that keeps the kernel, the glibc, the gcc and the boot loaders
> working and up to date?

Yes, there is a team at IBM that is interested in getting PowerPC
working on their hardware. If I recall correctly, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
was (is?) employed there, among many other people.

Actually, if you keep up with the kernel side of things, you'll see that
PowerPC is one of the "major" architectures, second only to ia32 (and,
now, quite possibly, x86-64).

The main mailings devoted to development of PowerPC and yaboot, for
instance, are at <http://ozlabs.org/mailman/listinfo>.

> Debian: who admins the buildds, who host the buildds, and where ?

Perhaps this is a partial answer to a question you have not asked:
http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/architecture.php?a=powerpc



IIRC, voltaire has altivec, while malo doesn't.



Hope this is useful, Rogério Brito.

P.S.: Unfortunately, it seems that my iBook battery died today. What a
pity. This means that I won't be able to help as much with PowerPC
as I could if I had a machine here.
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Hi Gentlemen,

> Yes, there is a team at IBM that is interested in getting PowerPC
> working on their hardware.

Chip (SoC) manufacturers amcc for ibm, and freescale for motorola:
http://www.amcc.com/Embedded/PowerPC-Selector-Guide-English.pdf
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=0162468rH3bTdG

The kernel contains the full architectures, and dowloadable from the evaluation board manufacturer's website, too.
For example:
http://www.amcc.com/Embedded/Downloads/download.html?item=575
for more, see 'software development' link.


Regards, Miki


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