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Roy Schestowitz

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:49 pm
Post subject: [News] A Look at GTK+ 3.0, Novell Unleashes Poison Factory
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GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.

,----[ Quote ]
| GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP ToolKit",
| it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+ is very popular.
| GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix systems, uses GTK+
| almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of course. And there are
| many commercial software developers like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that
| decided to use it as a base for their products.
`----

http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/

And Novell unleashes the Microsoft poison...

MonoDevelop Development Environment Available

,----[ Quote ]
| Novell today announced the availability of MonoDevelop 1.0, an open source
| development tool for Mono(R) that supports Microsoft* Visual Studio* project
| formats along with C# and other programming languages. MonoDevelop enables
| developers to quickly write desktop and ASP.NET Web applications on Linux*
| and Mac OS X*. MonoDevelop will make it easier for developers to port .NET
| applications created with Visual Studio to Linux and Mac OS X and to maintain
| a single code base for all three platforms.
`----

http://www.examiner.com/p-129893~MonoDevelop_Development_Environment_A...lable.h

It's for Microsoft (and Novell, which now openly calls Microsoft "a partner"),
not for GNU/Linux.


Recent:

Scoble: "I saw that internally inside Microsoft many times when I was told to
stay away from supporting Mono in public. They reserve the right to sue."

http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/764673949


MIX - Novell's de Icaza criticizes Microsoft patent deal

,----[ Quote ]
| Open-source pioneer and Novell Vice President Miguel de Icaza Thursday for
| the first time publicly slammed his company's cross-patent licensing
| agreement with Microsoft as he defended himself against lack of patent
| protection for third parties that distribute his company's Moonlight project,
| which ports Microsoft's Silverlight technology to Linux.    
|
| Speaking on a panel at the MIX 08 conference in Las Vegas, de Icaza said that
| Novell has done the best it could to balance open-source interests with
| patent indemnification. However, if he had his way, the company would have
| remained strictly open source and not gotten into bed with Microsoft. Novell
| entered into a controversial multimillion dollar cross-patent licensing and
| interoperability deal with Microsoft in November 2006.    
|
| "I'm not happy about the fact that such an agreement was made, but [the
| decision] was above my pay grade; I think we should have stayed with the
| open-source community," de Icaza said. He was speaking on a panel that also
| included representatives from Microsoft and open-source companies Mozilla and
| Zend.    
|
| [...]
|
| De Icaza shot back that it was "unfair" of Schroepfer to paint Novell as the
| only company protected by patent covenants, as many companies have signed
| licensing agreements not only with Microsoft, but also with other companies
| such as IBM that have a large patent portfolio.  
|
| [...]
|
| The choice has drawn ire from open-source diehards who were displeased with
| Novell's decision to sign a cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft in the
| first place. A Web site called "Boycott Novell" decried Moonlight as a
| Microsoft "pet project" and criticized the company's decision not to port
| Silverlight to Linux itself.    
`----

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/03/06/mix-novells-de-icaza-critic...s-micro


Simple mental exercise: Identify the OS!

,----[ Quote ]
mono\gac\System.ServiceProcess\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.ServiceProcess.dll
mono\gac\System.Transactions\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Transactions.dll
mono\gac\System.Web.Services\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.Web.Services.dll
mono\gac\System.Web\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.Web.dll
mono\gac\System.Xml\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Xml.dll
mono\gac\System\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.dll
|
|
| Hint: Replace the backslashes with slashes, then prefix each path
| with /usr/lib/.
|
| The correct answer is: no, it's not Microsoft Windows, it's Debian
| GNU/Linux "Lenny" (testing), with the minimum dependencies needed to run
| F-Spot! (Actually, I guess that all not the files are needed, but this is how
| they package them, and how the dependencies are set.)  
`----

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/02/20/10/22/59-simple-me...l-exerc


Related:

OpenSolaris, Gobuntu, and be careful who you kiss

,----[ Quote ]
| I read the agreement between Xandros and Microsoft, and one of the excluded
| products was Mono, so Microsoft promises to not sue Xandros over their
| distribution but excluding Mono and a few other products, i.e. they reserve
| the right to sue over Mono. I wonder if this is an interesting preview of on
| what basis they want to fight the free world.    
|
| Interestingly, the Novell deal seems to be different, Mono is not excluded
| from the Novell deal. So Microsoft seems to be promising not to sue Novell
| over Mono, but keeps the option open for Xandros. Weird but true.  
`----

http://commandline.org.uk/2007/be-careful-who-you-kiss/


Miguel, Mono and Microsoft

,----[ Quote ]
| is Mono's role in the deal that of a hook to make customers write
| .NET applications because they can be run on Linux - only to find
| later on that they are armless or legless because of a change in
| the .NETspecifications, a change which Microsoft decides not to
| make public?
|
| [...]
|
| And here we have an individual who decides to replicate one of
| the proprietary company's development environments - for reasons
| best known to him alone - and keeps telling people that the reason
| he's doing it is so that he can pull people over from the
| proprietary company's side to his side!!!
`----

http://www.itwire.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110...Itemid=
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:35 am
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
> systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
> course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
> NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
> `----
>
> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/

Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+. I prefer KDE to Gnome, but
generally use gtk apps.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:35 am
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On Mar 12, 5:35 pm, Rick <n... RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> > GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>
> > ,----[ Quote ]
> > | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
> > ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
> > is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
> > systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
> > course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
> > NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
> > `----
>
> >http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>
> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+. I prefer KDE to Gnome, but
> generally use gtk apps.

IF KDE was also built on gtk+ would that would make it easier for a
distro to reduce the fracturing of the UI?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 am
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Rick wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
>> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
>> systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
>> course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
>> NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
>> `----
>>
>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>
> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.

Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess.
Have you ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits?
KDE is vastly superior in that regard

> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>
Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome (as
seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still runs
just as well as if run under Gnome.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 am
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"Peter Köhlmann" <peter.koehlmann RemoveThis @t-online.de> stated in post
frall3$g02$01$1@news.t-online.com on 3/13/08 12:38 AM:

> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as ³The GIMP
>>> ToolKit², | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
>>> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
>>> systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
>>> course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
>>> NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>
>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>
> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess.
> Have you ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits?
> KDE is vastly superior in that regard
>
>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>
> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.

Any desktop distros where all the major programs for it are KDE?

I bet not - but would love to be proved wrong.

> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome (as
> seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still runs
> just as well as if run under Gnome.

But it does not have the KDE UI.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 am
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as ´The GIMP
>>> ToolKit¡, | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
>>> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
>>> systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
>>> course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
>>> NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>
>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>
> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess.
> Have you ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits?
> KDE is vastly superior in that regard

From an end user perspective I find kde much more professional and smooth
running compared to gnome.

>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>
> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome (as
> seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still runs
> just as well as if run under Gnome.

Not always true.
Take Pan fro example, which I *think* is a gtk application (correct me if I
am wrong).

I had some weird problems with the 14.x series, but only when running under
kde.
Under gnome it worked fine.

Stuff like hangs and screen repaint problems.
Intermittant, but I was advised to try it under gnome and it never failed.

I had all the libraries etc.

I *think* this was with a version of Suse, but again I don't really
remember the exact specifics other than gnome solved the problem.


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 am
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____/ Peter Köhlmann on Thursday 13 March 2008 07:38 : \____

> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
>>> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on Unix
>>> systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon GTK+, of
>>> course. And there are | many commercial software developers like Adobe,
>>> NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for their products.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>
>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>
> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess.
> Have you ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits?
> KDE is vastly superior in that regard
>
>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>
> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome (as
> seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still runs
> just as well as if run under Gnome.

I've developed in both GTK and Qt. GTK is all right. How extensive is your
hands-on experience with GTK?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:38 am
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:09:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> I've developed in both GTK and Qt. GTK is all right. How extensive is your
> hands-on experience with GTK?

Don't make us laugh Roy Schestowitz.
You can't even figure out how to use filters in knode.

You also list Windows programming on your resume'

I doubt you could program a single simple do loop.


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am
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Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Thursday 13 March 2008 07:38 : \____
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>>>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact, GTK+
>>>> is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment on
>>>> Unix systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built upon
>>>> GTK+, of course. And there are | many commercial software developers
>>>> like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a base for
>>>> their products. `----
>>>>
>>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>>
>>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>>
>> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess.
>> Have you ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits?
>> KDE is vastly superior in that regard
>>
>>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>>
>> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
>> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome
>> (as seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still
>> runs just as well as if run under Gnome.
>
> I've developed in both GTK and Qt. GTK is all right. How extensive is your
> hands-on experience with GTK?
>

Enough to never use GTK again. QT is lightyears ahead. And when it comes to
handling different languages, there simply is no contest at all.

I have lots to do with providing apps in different languages (lately I had
to do an application in Serbian, Croatian and Slowenian language. Two other
ones will follow shortly. An app in Russian is on the ToDo list). QT
absolutely shines in handling that.

Additionally, in QT I develop it under linux, can test it under linux and
still later compile the *same* source code in windows (or even Mac OSX,
although there is so little demand for it I will not do it. The expense of
a Mac plus the QT licence for it will not pay out in several years).

QT is crossplatform at its best, GTK much less so. And since demand for
linux apps has been up since quite some time (with OSX demand stagnant, and
very low) I better use a toolkit which provides easy access to both windows
and linux. When not doing new apps (which still takes most of my time) I am
in the process of converting older projects (win-only) to QT.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am
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* Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> I've developed in both GTK and Qt. GTK is all right. How extensive is your
>> hands-on experience with GTK?
>
> Enough to never use GTK again. QT is lightyears ahead. And when it comes to
> handling different languages, there simply is no contest at all.
>
> I have lots to do with providing apps in different languages (lately I had
> to do an application in Serbian, Croatian and Slowenian language. Two other
> ones will follow shortly. An app in Russian is on the ToDo list). QT
> absolutely shines in handling that.
>
> Additionally, in QT I develop it under linux, can test it under linux and
> still later compile the *same* source code in windows (or even Mac OSX,
> although there is so little demand for it I will not do it. The expense of
> a Mac plus the QT licence for it will not pay out in several years).
>
> QT is crossplatform at its best, GTK much less so. And since demand for
> linux apps has been up since quite some time (with OSX demand stagnant, and
> very low) I better use a toolkit which provides easy access to both windows
> and linux. When not doing new apps (which still takes most of my time) I am
> in the process of converting older projects (win-only) to QT.

How are you handling the transition from Qt 3 to Qt 4?

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am
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Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> I have lots to do with providing apps in different languages (lately
> I had to do an application in Serbian, Croatian and Slowenian
> language. Two other ones will follow shortly. An app in Russian is on
> the ToDo list). QT absolutely shines in handling that.
>
> When not doing new apps (which
> still takes most of my time) I am in the process of converting older
> projects (win-only) to QT.

You must be raking in the bucks with all these Linux/Qt apps.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:53 am
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact,
>>> GTK+ is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment
>>> on Unix systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built
>>> upon GTK+, of course. And there are | many commercial software
>>> developers like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as a
>>> base for their products. `----
>>>
>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>
>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>
> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess. Have you
> ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits? KDE is vastly
> superior in that regard

>
>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>
> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome
> (as seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still
> runs just as well as if run under Gnome.

I like xchat and pidgin better than kopete. I lke gftp. I like pan better
than knode (or thunderbird for news). I like Firefox better than
Konqueror for browsing. I use Komposer or nvu to slap together simple web
pages. I have had mre success with gtk-record-mydesktop that with other
capture apps. I am evenly split between Amarok and xmms... it depends on
what I'm doing.

OTOH, I do use apps like Amarok, and k3b. And I do use a customized
version of Gnome-mix icons, and the qt-gtk theme engine, which lets gtk
apps use my kde styles.

And, yes, I know very well that gtk/gnome apps run well under KDE. As I
have said, that is one of the strengths of both KDE and Gnome.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:56 am
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:54:47 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>>>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact,
>>>> GTK+ is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment
>>>> on Unix systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built
>>>> upon GTK+, of course. And there are | many commercial software
>>>> developers like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as
>>>> a base for their products. `----
>>>>
>>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>>
>>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>>
>> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess. Have you
>> ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits? KDE is vastly
>> superior in that regard
>
> From an end user perspective I find kde much more professional and
> smooth running compared to gnome.
>
>>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>>
>> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
>> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome
>> (as seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still
>> runs just as well as if run under Gnome.
>
> Not always true.
> Take Pan fro example, which I *think* is a gtk application (correct me
> if I am wrong).
>
> I had some weird problems with the 14.x series, but only when running
> under kde.
> Under gnome it worked fine.
>
> Stuff like hangs and screen repaint problems. Intermittant, but I was
> advised to try it under gnome and it never failed.
>
> I had all the libraries etc.
>
> I *think* this was with a version of Suse, but again I don't really
> remember the exact specifics other than gnome solved the problem.

I use pan for usenet. At the moment version 0.132. I think that's the
latest in the PCLOS repositories. No problems like what you described.

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Rick
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:02 pm
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Rick wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:54:47 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as "The GIMP
>>>>> ToolKit", | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact,
>>>>> GTK+ is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment
>>>>> on Unix systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built
>>>>> upon GTK+, of course. And there are | many commercial software
>>>>> developers like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as
>>>>> a base for their products. `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>>>
>>> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess. Have you
>>> ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits? KDE is vastly
>>> superior in that regard
>>
>> From an end user perspective I find kde much more professional and
>> smooth running compared to gnome.
>>
>>>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>>>
>>> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
>>> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome
>>> (as seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still
>>> runs just as well as if run under Gnome.
>>
>> Not always true.
>> Take Pan fro example, which I *think* is a gtk application (correct me
>> if I am wrong).
>>
>> I had some weird problems with the 14.x series, but only when running
>> under kde.
>> Under gnome it worked fine.
>>
>> Stuff like hangs and screen repaint problems. Intermittant, but I was
>> advised to try it under gnome and it never failed.
>>
>> I had all the libraries etc.
>>
>> I *think* this was with a version of Suse, but again I don't really
>> remember the exact specifics other than gnome solved the problem.
>
> I use pan for usenet. At the moment version 0.132. I think that's the
> latest in the PCLOS repositories. No problems like what you described.
>

Naturally not. He is making it up. He is flatfish, after all
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:11 pm
Post subject: Re: [News] A Look at GTK+ 3.0, Novell Unleashes Poison Factory [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:56:08 -0000, Rick wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:54:47 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:38:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:49:33 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GTK+ 3.0: Getting serious.
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | GTK+ has come a long way. From its humble beginnings as ´The GIMP
>>>>> ToolKit¡, | it is now used in a plethora of applications. In fact,
>>>>> GTK+ is very popular. | GNOME, one of the leading desktop environment
>>>>> on Unix systems, uses GTK+ | almost exclusively. The Gimp is built
>>>>> upon GTK+, of course. And there are | many commercial software
>>>>> developers like Adobe, NVidia and VMware that | decided to use it as
>>>>> a base for their products. `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://federkiel.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/gtk-30-getting-serious/
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it is a shame KDE isn't built on gtk+.
>>>
>>> Why? GTK is, compared to KDEs infrastructure, a total mess. Have you
>>> ever looked with a programmers eye on both toolkits? KDE is vastly
>>> superior in that regard
>>
>> From an end user perspective I find kde much more professional and
>> smooth running compared to gnome.
>>
>>>> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but generally use gtk apps.
>>>>
>>> Again, why? There are few which don't have a good KDE counterpart.
>>> Granted, it makes no real difference for a user if he uses KDE or Gnome
>>> (as seen from the apps). If a Gnome/GTK app is run under KDE, it still
>>> runs just as well as if run under Gnome.
>>
>> Not always true.
>> Take Pan fro example, which I *think* is a gtk application (correct me
>> if I am wrong).
>>
>> I had some weird problems with the 14.x series, but only when running
>> under kde.
>> Under gnome it worked fine.
>>
>> Stuff like hangs and screen repaint problems. Intermittant, but I was
>> advised to try it under gnome and it never failed.
>>
>> I had all the libraries etc.
>>
>> I *think* this was with a version of Suse, but again I don't really
>> remember the exact specifics other than gnome solved the problem.
>
> I use pan for usenet. At the moment version 0.132. I think that's the
> latest in the PCLOS repositories. No problems like what you described.

That's because the version you are using is a totally different one from
the previous ones.

Read the homepage.

It's a complete re-write from the .14.x series.

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