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Steve

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:21 am
Post subject: Ghost or Virtualisation ?
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Hi Guys,

I always heard that datacenters are using Virtualization. Much better
for maintenance...
-> OK, that's right... you can save a copy of your virtual iage...
Now, virtualization, seems to be really memory gready. Apparently, a
server running 2 Gb of RAM, need to be upgraded to 4 Gb ( I am playing
at the moment with VirtualBox )

Now, I can see that there is a g4l ( Ghost for Linux )
I didn't play with it yet, but I found ghost for Windows machines,
really easy to use.....

- Don't you think that that could be a better solution ?
Not 2 layers, but just one layer of software ?? -> quicker .....

- Why dataceters seems to be more focus on virtualisation ?

- Did I miss something ?? Smile
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1PW

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Since: Jun 22, 2008
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:21 am
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On 12/10/2008 03:21 AM, Steve sent:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I always heard that datacenters are using Virtualization. Much better
> for maintenance...

Much better for hardware utilization.

> -> OK, that's right... you can save a copy of your virtual image...
> Now, virtualization, seems to be really memory greedy. Apparently, a
> server running 2 Gb of RAM, need to be upgraded to 4 Gb ( I am playing
> at the moment with VirtualBox )
>
> Now, I can see that there is a g4l ( Ghost for Linux )
> I didn't play with it yet, but I found ghost for Windows machines,
> really easy to use.....
>
> - Don't you think that that could be a better solution ?
> Not 2 layers, but just one layer of software ?? -> quicker .....
>
> - Why datacenters seems to be more focus on virtualization ?

More bang for their hardware buck. A virtualized RHEL5.2 Linux host may
have a Microsoft Windows server as a "guest" OS, or even have Fedora as
a guest OS.

> - Did I miss something ?? Smile

Probably. Try Googling Virtualization. g4l & Ghost don't closely
relate to virtualization in the context you are using.

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Steve

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:18 pm
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1PW wrote:
> On 12/10/2008 03:21 AM, Steve sent:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I always heard that datacenters are using Virtualization. Much better
>> for maintenance...
>
> Much better for hardware utilization.
>
>> -> OK, that's right... you can save a copy of your virtual image...
>> Now, virtualization, seems to be really memory greedy. Apparently, a
>> server running 2 Gb of RAM, need to be upgraded to 4 Gb ( I am playing
>> at the moment with VirtualBox )
>>
>> Now, I can see that there is a g4l ( Ghost for Linux )
>> I didn't play with it yet, but I found ghost for Windows machines,
>> really easy to use.....
>>
>> - Don't you think that that could be a better solution ?
>> Not 2 layers, but just one layer of software ?? -> quicker .....
>>
>> - Why datacenters seems to be more focus on virtualization ?
>
> More bang for their hardware buck. A virtualized RHEL5.2 Linux host may
> have a Microsoft Windows server as a "guest" OS, or even have Fedora as
> a guest OS.
>
>> - Did I miss something ?? Smile
>
> Probably. Try Googling Virtualization. g4l & Ghost don't closely
> relate to virtualization in the context you are using.
>
Thanks for your reply.

does it mean that most of server used for virtualisation are build with
more than 4 Gb I suppose ?( minimum ? )
that seems to be really memory gready !!
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Steve

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:24 pm
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1PW wrote:
> On 12/10/2008 03:21 AM, Steve sent:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I always heard that datacenters are using Virtualization. Much better
>> for maintenance...
>
> Much better for hardware utilization.
>
>> -> OK, that's right... you can save a copy of your virtual image...
>> Now, virtualization, seems to be really memory greedy. Apparently, a
>> server running 2 Gb of RAM, need to be upgraded to 4 Gb ( I am playing
>> at the moment with VirtualBox )
>>
>> Now, I can see that there is a g4l ( Ghost for Linux )
>> I didn't play with it yet, but I found ghost for Windows machines,
>> really easy to use.....
>>
>> - Don't you think that that could be a better solution ?
>> Not 2 layers, but just one layer of software ?? -> quicker .....
>>
>> - Why datacenters seems to be more focus on virtualization ?
>
> More bang for their hardware buck. A virtualized RHEL5.2 Linux host may
> have a Microsoft Windows server as a "guest" OS, or even have Fedora as
> a guest OS.
>
>> - Did I miss something ?? Smile
>
> Probably. Try Googling Virtualization. g4l & Ghost don't closely
> relate to virtualization in the context you are using.
>
Thanks for your reply.

does it mean that most of server used for virtualisation are build with
more than 4 Gb I suppose ?( minimum ? )
that seems to be really memory gready !!

In term of performance, that's really slow down the system !?

ANyway, thank for your answer. I will investigate...
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1PW

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:24 pm
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On 12/10/2008 04:24 AM, Steve sent:

Snip, snip...

> Thanks for your reply.
>
> does it mean that most of servers used for virtualization are built with
> more than 4 Gb I suppose ?( minimum ? )

Not necessarily, but that's little price to pay for the performance one
may require.

> that seems to be really memory greedy !!

These days, RAM is cheap and fast and has multiple pathways. The less
moving we do in and out of the swap area, the better for performance.

> In term of performance, that really slows down the system !?

Probably the opposite. But it's not that noticeable with today's
multiple multi-core systems where we are probably waiting on some other
I/O device.

> Anyway, thank for your answer. I will investigate...

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Nico Kadel-Garcia

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:40 pm
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Steve wrote:

> does it mean that most of server used for virtualisation are build with
> more than 4 Gb I suppose ?( minimum ? )
> that seems to be really memory gready !!

Not necessarily. Enough RAM for each guest to comfortably have at least 512
Meg of real RAM allows the memory to be managed quite comfortably. So a 4 Gig
server with a modest server architecture could easily run 7 modest, not wildly
resource hungry guests.
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