what's with all the talk about "Kara" ?

On Jan 31, 3:21 pm, Dale <ab... RemoveThis @webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Moosen <nos... RemoveThis @buhbye.com>, you wrote
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> >On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:59:15 +0000, Dale
> ><ab... RemoveThis @webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >>Hi PV, you wrote :
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> >>>Dale <ab... RemoveThis @webeye.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> >>>>We're going into Gruul's Lair this weekend, for a little look around, so
> >>>>it will be interesting to see what you're talking about and whether a
> >>>>threat meter is really needed or not.
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> >>>If you've never been in there before, regardless of experience elsewhere,
> >>>you're going to wipe repeatedly and violently just getting the pull down,
> >>>so no, threatmeters won't matter. I don't mean that in an insulting
> >>>manner - the setup for Maulgar is just insanely stupid until it becomes
> >>>easy.
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> >>>Pull aggro even for a second on one of the brute ogres, and you'll see why
> >>>knowing threat level is a good thing. *
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> >>If I knew what was about to happen, it would spoil it for me. I love
> >>the thought that we're about to enter somewhere we've not seen before,
> >>and I expect the repeated wipes - everyone is new to it at some stage so
> >>I didn't take it as an insult.
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> >That is purely selfish. Repeated wipes because you're learning a boss
> >strat is one thing, dying and quite possibly causing a totally
> >unnecessary wipe just because you're too stubborn (stupid? ignorant?
> >quite possibly all the above?) to use a threatmeter that could have
> >easily kept you alive instead... you are simply a detriment to your
> >guild, if that's the case.
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> >'Excitement of uncertainty' is one thing when your ass is the only one
> >on the line- it's self-indulgent and outright selfish foolishness if
> >an entire raid is depending on you staying alive and not being a
> >dipshit.
>
> Only one thing to say here - it's a game. Funny how it's stubborn
> (stupid? ignorant?) to not want to use an add-on, yet perfectly
> reasonable to expect someone to use something that may spoil their
> enjoyment. Double standards?
> --
> Dale
>
> Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.

Its really not about you not using a threat meter. Its more about
your comments indicating you can play your role just as well without
one. As a tank, its helpful to know if you're about to lose aggro and
save a cooldown for that possibility. For a DPSer, its good to know
if you can push your DPS further or if its time to hold back or use a
threat reducing ability. For a healer, its good to know when you
should start running towards the tank. Without the threat meter, a
tank might waste a cooldown right before losing aggro, a DPSer might
hold back more than he needs to, and a healer might be caught by
surprise when they get steamrolled because they are looking at health
bars and not what is charging right towards them.

If you don't want to use threat meters, thats your decision. Your
guild might not be too happy if you constantly pull aggro and wipe the
raid, but thats an issue between you and them. Just don't come in
here and try to BS us with claims that since you know your class so
well you can play just as good without a threat meter.

I think it was Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

>On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:01:20 +0000, Barry Freeman <bazz.RemoveThis@nospam.co.uk>
>wrote:
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>>On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:32:01 +0000, Catriona R
>><catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>But I can do that anyway, I have eyes and can see when the aggro mark
>>>appears on Grid, and I'm not dumb enough to stand on top of mobs so they
>>>can reach me in 2 steps
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>>So you do use a threat meter, albeit one built into grid?
>
>Um, no? Aggro alert isn't the same....

True, threat meters aren't going to help you if you agro a mob you
don't have targeted.

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