what's with all the talk about "Kara" ?

On Jan 25, 2:31 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I had to run OH 5 or 6 times before I finally got into a PUG good
> enough to finish it, but just barely.  In a group full of level 70's
> however, its a trivial run.  I helped someone else with OH with a
> group of 70's and we didn't bother with CC or even marking targets,
> just sloshed our way through in about half an hour.

Same here, though we did CC. I don't think anyone ever had <90%
health, with the possible exception of Thrall. It was quite a
contrast with my struggles at L68, though I think the PUGs I was with
then mostly succeeded in it. (Then in some cases went on to BM and
the inevitable humiliation at that level...)

- Gerry Quinn

On Jan 25, 12:45 pm, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
> steve.kaye wrote:
> > I guess that the end-game final boss for 5 man PvE is the last boss of
> > the hardest heroic instance.  (I don't know what that is as I've only
> > done a few heroics - Shattered Halls perhaps?)
>
> Hardest heroic I've tried is Durnholde. We gave up before the first boss.

You were trying to kill the patrols. Don't do that - mark and avoid
them. It's scary but not too hard, as in contrast to normal there are
only two patrols inside the internment camp, and they both walk the
whole length of it.

- Gerry Quinn

On Jan 25, 11:18 am, gerryq <ger... DeleteThis @indigo.ie> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 11:48 am, "steve.kaye" <nos... DeleteThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 Jan, 11:01, RogerM <roger.mc... DeleteThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Aboo wrote:
>
> > > > There is, it's called Heroics. And some (not all) of the Heroic gear
> > > > is better that what you can get out ofKara, at least the first half
> > > > ofKara.
>
> > > Then it's not end-game.Karagear is far from the best in the game.
>
> > End-game is what you make of it. If you choose to limit yourself (for
> > whatever reason) to 5 man PvE content then heroics are your end-game.
> > If you want to PvP then I guess your end-game is in the arena. If you
> > want to raid then that is your end-game.
>
> > > What is the end-game final boss?
>
> > I guess that the end-game final boss for 5 man PvE is the last boss of
> > the hardest heroic instance. (I don't know what that is as I've only
> > done a few heroics - Shattered Halls perhaps?)
>
> Shattered Halls heroic is not very hard if your team is well-geared
> and knows what to expect.
>
> I suspect the hardest heroic is *meant* to be Arcatraz, but I have not
> tried it on heroic yet. The trash in normal Arca is pretty tough,
> although the bosses are not except for the last one. I seem to recall
> reading on Wowwiki or somewhere that the last boss in Arca Heroic is
> L73, which would be some indication that it is intended as the
> hardest. Also, it seems to be the last quest on the "Trials of the
> Naaru" series.
>
> That doesn't necessarily mean it's the hardest in practice, though.
>
> - Gerry Quinn

I thought the last quest for the Trials of the Naaru chain was to down
Mag.

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<4673c407-aa76-48f6-b09d-e1922c87772f.TakeThisOut@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
lcpltom <lcpltom.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The one attempt I made on heroic SH ended in failure that was blamed
> on me even though the real failure was with the tank. It was a guild
> group who pugged out the last open spot, to me. The tank was arms/
> fury specced and couldn't hold aggro through even minimal damage from
> me or the priests healing. Eventually the guild decided it wasn't
> going to work because we didn't have enough CC, i.e. my CC wasn't
> enough. Easy to blame the 1 person who wasn't in their guild I
> suppose.

Ugh, that's the worst. As Arms/Fury spec I wouldn't *dream* of trying
to tank SH now. That guild you ran with must've been morons. A
non-Prot warrior will have a very hard time with any heroic, let alone
SH. You'll need extraordinary healing and dps'ers will need to read a
book or take a bio break while you build aggro at the start of every
pull.

RogerM wrote:
> Marcel wrote:
>
>>I have to disagree on that one.
>>Running Karazhan just feels like going to UBRS or LBRS with a 10 men
>>'party'.
>>Going through an instance with 40 people is imho much more impressive
>>then doing it with only 10.
>>Running around with 40 just felt so much better/nicer.
>
>
> For me, doing MC at L60 was a major drag. I felt like a tiny cog in a
> machine. Frankly, I'm not that pleased with the 10-man instances.

Of course you aren't. There isn't much you're pleased about in WoW.

On Jan 25, 3:04 pm, RogerM <roger.mc... DeleteThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> chocolatemalt wrote:
>
> > In article <479A3C0C.6CCE8... DeleteThis @ns.sympatico.ca>,
> > RogerM <roger.mc... DeleteThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > > "Mark (newsgroups)" wrote:
>
> > > > Of course you aren't. There isn't much you're pleased about in WoW.
>
> > > Thanks SO much for THAT contribution.
>
> > If all you can do is be Mr. Negative, people will tend to give up on
> > you. You'll get negative replies in response if at all.
>
> If that is the quality of reply, then none would be just fine.
>
> --

The same logic could be applied to your comments.

steve.kaye wrote:
> I guess that the end-game final boss for 5 man PvE is the last boss of
> the hardest heroic instance. (I don't know what that is as I've only
> done a few heroics - Shattered Halls perhaps?)

Hardest heroic I've tried is Durnholde. We gave up before the first boss.

"Mark (newsgroups)" wrote:
>
> Of course you aren't. There isn't much you're pleased about in WoW.

Thanks SO much for THAT contribution.

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In article <479A3C0C.6CCE85AF RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca>,
RogerM <roger.mckay RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> "Mark (newsgroups)" wrote:
> >
> > Of course you aren't. There isn't much you're pleased about in WoW.
>
> Thanks SO much for THAT contribution.

If all you can do is be Mr. Negative, people will tend to give up on
you. You'll get negative replies in response if at all.

chocolatemalt wrote:
>
> In article <479A3C0C.6CCE85AF RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca>,
> RogerM <roger.mckay RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > "Mark (newsgroups)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course you aren't. There isn't much you're pleased about in WoW.
> >
> > Thanks SO much for THAT contribution.
>
> If all you can do is be Mr. Negative, people will tend to give up on
> you. You'll get negative replies in response if at all.

If that is the quality of reply, then none would be just fine.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:44:29 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpltom DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>The one attempt I made on heroic SH ended in failure that was blamed
>on me even though the real failure was with the tank. It was a guild
>group who pugged out the last open spot, to me. The tank was arms/
>fury specced and couldn't hold aggro through even minimal damage from
>me or the priests healing. Eventually the guild decided it wasn't
>going to work because we didn't have enough CC, i.e. my CC wasn't
>enough. Easy to blame the 1 person who wasn't in their guild I
>suppose.

Try it with a paladin tank, it's easy then, only done it once and it was
almost like on normal, the group was so good. We only had one CC, as the
group iirc was 2 paladins, a shaman, a mage and my priest, but the only
wipe was on the last boss.

>Heroic BM I have successfully done twice. I find it to be easy so
>long as people know and are capable of doing their jobs. 2 DPS need
>to provide enough DPS to make up for the person on adds. Player on
>adds needs to make sure to stay close enough to the healer to receive
>heals when they need it. Healer needs to position himself such that
>the player on adds can pick them up and not have to kite them so he
>can be within range of the healer. Combine that with a tank that can
>hold aggro on the rift lords and heroic BM comes not much harder than
>normal BM.

As a healer heroic BM is the hardest one I have done. Simply because
everyone takes enormous damage, it's very very hard to keep up with it.
Tacticswise it's easy, sure, but outhealing the damagewise it's a total and
utter pain. And I did it in a good group with the best tank I know, so
can't even blame anyone else for it being so tough!
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On 2008-01-25 17:18:24 +0100, gerryq <gerryq.DeleteThis@indigo.ie> said:

> Shattered Halls heroic is not very hard if your team is well-geared
> and knows what to expect.
>
> I suspect the hardest heroic is *meant* to be Arcatraz, but I have not
> tried it on heroic yet. The trash in normal Arca is pretty tough,
> although the bosses are not except for the last one. I seem to recall
> reading on Wowwiki or somewhere that the last boss in Arca Heroic is
> L73, which would be some indication that it is intended as the
> hardest. Also, it seems to be the last quest on the "Trials of the
> Naaru" series.

At level 70, *all* bosses are level 73. A boss-tagged mob always
behaves like a mob 3 levels above you when it comes down to chance to
hit and resistances.

> That doesn't necessarily mean it's the hardest in practice, though.

I wouldn't know the hardest heroic end-boss, but in an attempt to
answer the OP's question: The current end-game boss is Illidan,
end-boss of the BT, the hardest raid instances out there atm.
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In article <fnd5h0$8cq$1@aioe.org>, Jack D <jack_221NOSP.RemoveThis@Mhotmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2008-01-25 17:18:24 +0100, gerryq <gerryq.RemoveThis@indigo.ie> said:
>
> > Shattered Halls heroic is not very hard if your team is well-geared
> > and knows what to expect.
> >
> > I suspect the hardest heroic is *meant* to be Arcatraz, but I have not
> > tried it on heroic yet. The trash in normal Arca is pretty tough,
> > although the bosses are not except for the last one. I seem to recall
> > reading on Wowwiki or somewhere that the last boss in Arca Heroic is
> > L73, which would be some indication that it is intended as the
> > hardest. Also, it seems to be the last quest on the "Trials of the
> > Naaru" series.
>
> At level 70, *all* bosses are level 73. A boss-tagged mob always
> behaves like a mob 3 levels above you when it comes down to chance to
> hit and resistances.

No, the heroic bosses behave as level 72. If Skyriss is 73 that would
be an exception.