what's with all the talk about "Kara" ?

Hi lcpltom <lcpltom RemoveThis @gmail.com>, you wrote
>On Jan 31, 7:27 pm, Dale <ab... RemoveThis @webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi lcpltom, you wrote :
>>
>> >On Jan 31, 3:21 pm, Dale <ab... RemoveThis @webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> *snipped for brevity - no point repeating my point*
>>
>> >If you don't want to use threat meters, thats your decision. Your
>> >guild might not be too happy if you constantly pull aggro and wipe the
>> >raid, but thats an issue between you and them. Just don't come in
>> >here and try to BS us with claims that since you know your class so
>> >well you can play just as good without a threat meter.
>>
>> I didn't say I know my class so well that I don't need one, I've said
>> that they aren't as necessary as made out. I'm sure that when we enter
>> Gruul's Lair in the next few days we'll all make mistakes, whether we
>> have a threat meter or not, and no matter the experience we have,
>> because it's a completely new experience. I wouldn't be so arrogant to
>> think that I could step in there and not have an issue, but the same
>> goes for the rest of the guild and we like discovering the best way to
>> do something.
>> --
>> Dale
>>
>> Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.
>
>Written by Dale at 4:01 pm on Jan 30:
>
>"While I do use some add-ons (more the cosmetic ones, such as
>Bartender3,
>Elkbuffbars, X-Perl, just so my screen looks better), I don't have a
>damage meter (I'd rather not be more hassle to the healer), threat
>meter
>(learn to cast correctly, not when a little program says you can) or
>sheep monitor (they don't always work and if you grow too used to it,
>you'll not be a decent CCer if it doesn't work or a patch buggers it
>up
>- just check your sheep now and again).
>
>I do believe a little bit more time learning to play a class correctly
>would be far more beneficial than growing reliant on add-ons and
>wanting
>to be the highest DPS in the party - and this goes for all classes,
>there are far too many out there that really don't know their class.
>It
>doesn't make you less of a Mage just because you're 2nd on a damage
>meter."
>
>Sure looks like that is what you are claiming right there.

The second paragraph you've quoted doesn't say anything about me - it's
an opinion that could be used for anything. I could say "I do believe a
little bit more time learning to drive correctly would be far more
beneficial than the current driving tests used" - doesn't mean I'm an
excellent driver, it means I have the opinion that learning how to do
something is beneficial.

The first paragraph you've quoted says I use cosmetic add-ons and the
reasons why I don't use certain ones, with some factual information,
i.e. those who aim to be the top of the damage meters generally are more
hassle for healers, because they generally pull aggro; sheep monitors
don't always work and add-ons can be effected by patches; and it also
includes my opinion that I believe a threat meter tells you when you can
cast and doesn't give you the opportunity to understand why and when to
cast.

However, as I've already stated, I have comfortably admitted that when
we go into a new instance, we will wipe because the guild hasn't got the
experience of the new area (and that includes me). Selective quoting
won't change that fact.
--
Dale

Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.

Hi lcpltom, you wrote :

>On Feb 1, 8:20 am, Dale <ab....DeleteThis@webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi lcpltom <lcpl....DeleteThis@gmail.com>, you wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 31, 7:27 pm, Dale <ab....DeleteThis@webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Hi lcpltom, you wrote :
>>
>> >> >On Jan 31, 3:21 pm, Dale <ab....DeleteThis@webeye.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >> *snipped for brevity - no point repeating my point*
>>
>> >> >If you don't want to use threat meters, thats your decision. Your
>> >> >guild might not be too happy if you constantly pull aggro and wipe the
>> >> >raid, but thats an issue between you and them. Just don't come in
>> >> >here and try to BS us with claims that since you know your class so
>> >> >well you can play just as good without a threat meter.
>>
>> >> I didn't say I know my class so well that I don't need one, I've said
>> >> that they aren't as necessary as made out. I'm sure that when we enter
>> >> Gruul's Lair in the next few days we'll all make mistakes, whether we
>> >> have a threat meter or not, and no matter the experience we have,
>> >> because it's a completely new experience. I wouldn't be so arrogant to
>> >> think that I could step in there and not have an issue, but the same
>> >> goes for the rest of the guild and we like discovering the best way to
>> >> do something.
>> >> --
>> >> Dale
>>
>> >> Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.
>>
>> >Written by Dale at 4:01 pm on Jan 30:
>>
>> >"While I do use some add-ons (more the cosmetic ones, such as
>> >Bartender3,
>> >Elkbuffbars, X-Perl, just so my screen looks better), I don't have a
>> >damage meter (I'd rather not be more hassle to the healer), threat
>> >meter
>> >(learn to cast correctly, not when a little program says you can) or
>> >sheep monitor (they don't always work and if you grow too used to it,
>> >you'll not be a decent CCer if it doesn't work or a patch buggers it
>> >up
>> >- just check your sheep now and again).
>>
>> >I do believe a little bit more time learning to play a class correctly
>> >would be far more beneficial than growing reliant on add-ons and
>> >wanting
>> >to be the highest DPS in the party - and this goes for all classes,
>> >there are far too many out there that really don't know their class.
>> >It
>> >doesn't make you less of a Mage just because you're 2nd on a damage
>> >meter."
>>
>> >Sure looks like that is what you are claiming right there.
>>
>> The second paragraph you've quoted doesn't say anything about me - it's
>> an opinion that could be used for anything. I could say "I do believe a
>> little bit more time learning to drive correctly would be far more
>> beneficial than the current driving tests used" - doesn't mean I'm an
>> excellent driver, it means I have the opinion that learning how to do
>> something is beneficial.
>>
>> The first paragraph you've quoted says I use cosmetic add-ons and the
>> reasons why I don't use certain ones, with some factual information,
>> i.e. those who aim to be the top of the damage meters generally are more
>> hassle for healers, because they generally pull aggro; sheep monitors
>> don't always work and add-ons can be effected by patches; and it also
>> includes my opinion that I believe a threat meter tells you when you can
>> cast and doesn't give you the opportunity to understand why and when to
>> cast.
>>
>> However, as I've already stated, I have comfortably admitted that when
>> we go into a new instance, we will wipe because the guild hasn't got the
>> experience of the new area (and that includes me). Selective quoting
>> won't change that fact.
>> --
>> Dale
>>
>> Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.
>
>Its not selective quoting, as I included more than just the one
>sentence indicating you think a threat meter plays the game for you.
>If it was selective quoting, I would have included nothing but that
>one sentence.

I won't deny that I think a threat meter plays the game for you.
However, that wasn't what you were aiming to do with your selective
quoting.

You said : "Just don't come in here and try to BS us with claims that
since you know your class so well you can play just as good without a
threat meter."

Your selective quoting was aiming to make it look like that I believed
that I knew my class so well that I didn't need a threat meter. I
refuted that claim. I had already stated that when we (the guild) moved
to a new instance (i.e. the plans we have to enter Gruul's Lair) we are
going to wipe because we don't have the experience (and that includes
me). At no state whatsoever, did I state that I know my class so well
that I don't need a threat meter nor would I because I certainly don't
believe it.

*snipped*
--
Dale

Don't mail me with "abuse" - use my name instead.