[story] aya (working title) #3

On 2008-11-05, Neo <what DeleteThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what DeleteThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
><snip>
>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in virtual
>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But for a guy
>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want multiple
>>> partners
>>
>> Speak for yourself...
>>
>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>
>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>
> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>
> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.

Let me guess: That was an average calculated over all the children a
woman might have (at the same time). Besides, we are a far way from
doing things purely biologically anymore.
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On 2008-11-06, Red Dragon <agclurker.DeleteThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
> Neo wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what.DeleteThis@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in virtual
>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But for a guy
>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want multiple
>>>> partners
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>
>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>
>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>
>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>
>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>
>> Neo
>
> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
> the woman.
>
> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's been
> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
> together for the survival of offspring.

That's... sad.
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On 2008-11-05, Red Dragon <agclurker.DeleteThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-11-04, Red Dragon <agclurker.DeleteThis@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>> I wish I could help, I really do...
>>>
>>> I know all too well that being shy makes things seem impossible. I only
>>> ended up around people that wanted to date me once I had gotten into a
>>> gamer group full of people I could make friends with and get to know,
>>> instead of sitting around in my house... On my computer...
>>>
>>> If you're interested in companionship, making friends certainly helps.
>>> Making friends usually starts with shared interests, such as with AGC.
>>>
>>> Sorry I appear to be the only female left in this particular little
>>> circle, but I'd certainly be interested if I were still looking.
>>
>> Story of my life.
>
> Well, at least women are attracted to you then... Unless you have reason
> to believe we are be untruthful?

Nah, but what helps attraction on its own?
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emmel wrote:
> On 2008-11-05, Red Dragon <agclurker RemoveThis @lurkerson.net> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-04, Red Dragon <agclurker RemoveThis @lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>>> I wish I could help, I really do...
>>>>
>>>> I know all too well that being shy makes things seem impossible. I only
>>>> ended up around people that wanted to date me once I had gotten into a
>>>> gamer group full of people I could make friends with and get to know,
>>>> instead of sitting around in my house... On my computer...
>>>>
>>>> If you're interested in companionship, making friends certainly helps.
>>>> Making friends usually starts with shared interests, such as with AGC.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I appear to be the only female left in this particular little
>>>> circle, but I'd certainly be interested if I were still looking.
>>> Story of my life.
>> Well, at least women are attracted to you then... Unless you have reason
>> to believe we are be untruthful?
>
> Nah, but what helps attraction on its own?

How do you mean, exactly?

Neo wrote:
> Red Dragon wrote:
>> Neo wrote:
>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-11-02, Red Dragon <agclurker DeleteThis @lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Neo wrote:
>>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2008-10-25, Neo <what DeleteThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <what DeleteThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2008-10-22, Neo <what DeleteThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. It's very nice to spend a couple of extra
>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes in a snug
>>>>>>>>>>>> warm bed.
>>>>>>>>>>> I just like it to wake up and realize there is nothing I need
>>>>>>>>>>> to do that
>>>>>>>>>>> day (except read AGC maybe).
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that kinda depressing?
>>>>>>>>> I have my girlfriend coming home to look forward to. Or posts
>>>>>>>>> in AGC. Or
>>>>>>>>> the Web 2.0 forums I read. I can even play a computer game!
>>>>>>>>> (Sid Meier's
>>>>>>>>> new Colonization at the moment, but I lost two times so far.
>>>>>>>>> Badly).
>>>>>>>> Well, at least that's something.
>>>>>>> You'll get a girl, don't worry. You are smart after all. And
>>>>>>> sensitive.
>>>>>>> And creative. And InSaNe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet there is a type of girl that would go for all that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ::coughs::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, there are women out there like that, but the trick is to catch
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> when they don't have a boyfriend already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. Exactly my problem.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could help, I really do...
>>>>
>>>> I know all too well that being shy makes things seem impossible. I only
>>>> ended up around people that wanted to date me once I had gotten into a
>>>> gamer group full of people I could make friends with and get to know,
>>>> instead of sitting around in my house... On my computer...
>>>
>>> I know of a guy that fell in love in an online game, and got dumped in
>>> that very same game by that same girl. Then she started dating someone
>>> else in the guild that they shared. I can't imagine how hard that was
>>> for him!
>>>
>>
>> I've always thought that in-person interaction must come at some point
>> before throwing yourself too completely into such an attachment. That
>> said, it's hard to stay level-headed.
>
> I know they had photographs of each other. And one of them was married,
> which kind of complicates things.
>
>>>> If you're interested in companionship, making friends certainly helps.
>>>> Making friends usually starts with shared interests, such as with AGC.
>>>
>>> My girlfriend collects Mattel dolls. We don't have that much in common
>>> when it comes to hobbies. Maybe for the best, we would fight over who
>>> could have a new doll we just found on eBay!
>>>
>>>> Sorry I appear to be the only female left in this particular little
>>>> circle, but I'd certainly be interested if I were still looking.
>>>
>>> You would travel to Germany to see someone you met on the internet?
>>
>> I have traveled to Germany, and I'll probably go again at some point.
>>
>> But I was thinking of it as if AGC were a group that met in-person. I'm
>> too shy to meet people one-on-one at first. But it is all about that
>> in-person interaction with me.
>
> Maybe you should go visit emmel! Not to start a relationship with him of
> course. But as a fan of his stories maybe. He could read you some of
> them over a cup of tea and chocolate. As a friend so to speak.
>

Judging from what I know about my own personality and emmel's
personality, that seems like it would be quite the awkward occasion.

Red Dragon wrote:
> Neo wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what RemoveThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in virtual
>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But for a
>>>> guy
>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want multiple
>>>> partners
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>
>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>
>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>
>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>
>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>
>> Neo
>
> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
> the woman.
>
> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's been
> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
> together for the survival of offspring.

Okay, so 2-5 years is about the time a woman can put up with all the
insults! Doesn't change the fact that there is such a rule.
::counts years together with gf so far::

I wonder why my parents are still together though.. Bad genes I guess!

Neo
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Neo wrote:
> Red Dragon wrote:
>> Neo wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what.DeleteThis@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in virtual
>>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But for
>>>>> a guy
>>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want multiple
>>>>> partners
>>>>
>>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>>
>>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>>
>>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>>
>>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
>>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>>
>>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>>
>>> Neo
>>
>> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
>> the woman.
>>
>> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
>> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's been
>> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
>> together for the survival of offspring.
>
> Okay, so 2-5 years is about the time a woman can put up with all the
> insults! Doesn't change the fact that there is such a rule.
> ::counts years together with gf so far::
>
> I wonder why my parents are still together though.. Bad genes I guess!
>
> Neo

There's infatuation, and then there's love. For a relationship to last,
there has to be a very good friendship aspect to it. Passion fades in
and out, and during the periods it's gone, it's best to actually like
just hanging out with the person.

A lot of people believe one shouldn't date their friends. My opinion is
that making friends with someone first is a great way to have a good
solid relationship.

As long as you don't date the friends that stress you out.

emmel wrote:
> On 2008-11-05, Neo <what.TakeThisOut@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what.TakeThisOut@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> Sounds like when I was young. Perfectly normal for a youngster!
>>> Only I'm not exactly young anymore.
>> You are compared to me. And so is Red Dragon.
>
> Point.

Though not many decades older

>>>> You won't like a broken heart though. I know I didn't. Took me years to
>>>> recover.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could be less monogamous and more a kind of serial dater. That
>>>> said, I have a girlfriend now and hope it will last until we both die of
>>>> old age!
>>> Good luck.
>> We try. And we both had our hears broken at one point or another. She
>> cries because of it. I tough up and joke about it.
>
> And that works?

It works for us! We both know what it is like to be left or broken
hearted. I might be too sarcastic for a girl without any scars on her
heart yet! (Besides, she pinches me when I say something she doesn't
like. That gets it out of her system alright!).

Neo
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Red Dragon wrote:
> Neo wrote:
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what RemoveThis @thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in virtual
>>>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But for
>>>>>> a guy
>>>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want
>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>> partners
>>>>>
>>>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>>>
>>>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>>>
>>>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>>>
>>>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
>>>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>>>
>>>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>>>
>>>> Neo
>>>
>>> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
>>> the woman.
>>>
>>> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
>>> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's been
>>> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
>>> together for the survival of offspring.
>>
>> Okay, so 2-5 years is about the time a woman can put up with all the
>> insults! Doesn't change the fact that there is such a rule.
>> ::counts years together with gf so far::
>>
>> I wonder why my parents are still together though.. Bad genes I guess!
>>
>> Neo
>
> There's infatuation, and then there's love. For a relationship to last,
> there has to be a very good friendship aspect to it. Passion fades in
> and out, and during the periods it's gone, it's best to actually like
> just hanging out with the person.
>
> A lot of people believe one shouldn't date their friends. My opinion is
> that making friends with someone first is a great way to have a good
> solid relationship.
>
> As long as you don't date the friends that stress you out.

The problem with dating your friend, is that your friend knows most of
your friends. At least the good ones.

So when your relation with your friend comes at a sudden stop, you don't
want to see your ex-friend and you don't want to see your ex-friend's
friends. I know about these things from experience because I fell in
love with my cousin many years ago.

I saw her parents by accident on my brother's child's birthday and
nearly ended up breaking off relations with my parents because of this.
It goes that deep with me.

I had a psychologist for this, but these kind of things are too big to
solve that way. Now I tell my gf that my friends are more important to
me than she is. I am not asking her to like it. I am telling her that is
how it is with me.

When I break up with my gf I can go to my friends for counselling and
comfort. They are completely different entities and that is how I want
to keep it. A lesson I learned the hard way, but you don't always choose
who you are 'infatuated' with. Girls are freaked out by that either way
I have found out (at least the more popular girls). They just don't know
what they are missing I guess

And girls that have never /truly/ been in love, simply can't know what
it feels like for a boy. "It is better to have loved than never to have
loved at all". I think this is true because no matter how you think of
it, it is a grand experience. Not necessarily a positive experience btw.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.

Neo wrote:
> Red Dragon wrote:
>> Neo wrote:
>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>> Neo wrote:
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what.DeleteThis@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in
>>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But
>>>>>>> for a guy
>>>>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want
>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>> partners
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs (including
>>>>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neo
>>>>
>>>> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
>>>> the woman.
>>>>
>>>> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
>>>> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's
>>>> been
>>>> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
>>>> together for the survival of offspring.
>>>
>>> Okay, so 2-5 years is about the time a woman can put up with all the
>>> insults! Doesn't change the fact that there is such a rule.
>>> ::counts years together with gf so far::
>>>
>>> I wonder why my parents are still together though.. Bad genes I guess!
>>>
>>> Neo
>>
>> There's infatuation, and then there's love. For a relationship to last,
>> there has to be a very good friendship aspect to it. Passion fades in
>> and out, and during the periods it's gone, it's best to actually like
>> just hanging out with the person.
>>
>> A lot of people believe one shouldn't date their friends. My opinion is
>> that making friends with someone first is a great way to have a good
>> solid relationship.
>>
>> As long as you don't date the friends that stress you out.
>
> The problem with dating your friend, is that your friend knows most of
> your friends. At least the good ones.
>
> So when your relation with your friend comes at a sudden stop, you don't
> want to see your ex-friend and you don't want to see your ex-friend's
> friends. I know about these things from experience because I fell in
> love with my cousin many years ago.
>
> I saw her parents by accident on my brother's child's birthday and
> nearly ended up breaking off relations with my parents because of this.
> It goes that deep with me.
>
> I had a psychologist for this, but these kind of things are too big to
> solve that way. Now I tell my gf that my friends are more important to
> me than she is. I am not asking her to like it. I am telling her that is
> how it is with me.
>
> When I break up with my gf I can go to my friends for counselling and
> comfort. They are completely different entities and that is how I want
> to keep it. A lesson I learned the hard way, but you don't always choose
> who you are 'infatuated' with. Girls are freaked out by that either way
> I have found out (at least the more popular girls). They just don't know
> what they are missing I guess
>
> And girls that have never /truly/ been in love, simply can't know what
> it feels like for a boy. "It is better to have loved than never to have
> loved at all". I think this is true because no matter how you think of
> it, it is a grand experience. Not necessarily a positive experience btw.
>
> Neo

I'm well aware of why people think it's bad to date friends.

However, I think it's incredibly cynical to cut off that venue
completely. You're basically saying you expect absolutely any
relationships you have are going to fail, in which case, why bother?

I've dated people from my gamer group before. They didn't work out for
one reason or another, but we were all mature about it. Our friends were
there for both of us, and this probably helped to prevent either of us
from demonizing the other.

The relationship I'm in now, however, has been confirmed to be an
extremely healthy one which I enjoy very much. I credit this with having
the guy as my best friend for three years before introducing romance.
He's not some status quo fulfilled, or easy affection to have showered
on me. He's my friend, my equal, and my teammate, and I enjoy spending
time with him, however it's spent.

I'm sorry you seem to have been so thoroughly hurt, but healing
eventually has to complete it's course. And don't forget that we're all
human.

Anyway, I think I'm done with this particular topic.

Red Dragon wrote:
> Neo wrote:
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>>> Neo wrote:
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2008-11-04, Neo <what.DeleteThis@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> My point really is that for a girl it is okay to meet guys in
>>>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>> life. Because they are a very desired minority of players. But
>>>>>>>> for a guy
>>>>>>>> it can be pain and misery. Add to that that guys tend to want
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>> partners
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak for yourself...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> while a girl can turn out tied up to an infant for 4 or 5 years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Five or four years? Make that two decades, minimum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was some research. And that is the time a women needs
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> pregnancy) to raise a child. Biologically that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why relations tend to fail after four years. Women instinct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neo
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe relationships fail because the guy keeps unconsciously insulting
>>>>> the woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard about this 2-5 year rule... It refers to how long simple
>>>>> infatuation can last, and that's for both members of a couple. It's
>>>>> been
>>>>> speculated that this is about as long as a mating pair needs to stay
>>>>> together for the survival of offspring.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, so 2-5 years is about the time a woman can put up with all the
>>>> insults! Doesn't change the fact that there is such a rule.
>>>> ::counts years together with gf so far::
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why my parents are still together though.. Bad genes I guess!
>>>>
>>>> Neo
>>>
>>> There's infatuation, and then there's love. For a relationship to last,
>>> there has to be a very good friendship aspect to it. Passion fades in
>>> and out, and during the periods it's gone, it's best to actually like
>>> just hanging out with the person.
>>>
>>> A lot of people believe one shouldn't date their friends. My opinion is
>>> that making friends with someone first is a great way to have a good
>>> solid relationship.
>>>
>>> As long as you don't date the friends that stress you out.
>>
>> The problem with dating your friend, is that your friend knows most of
>> your friends. At least the good ones.
>>
>> So when your relation with your friend comes at a sudden stop, you don't
>> want to see your ex-friend and you don't want to see your ex-friend's
>> friends. I know about these things from experience because I fell in
>> love with my cousin many years ago.
>>
>> I saw her parents by accident on my brother's child's birthday and
>> nearly ended up breaking off relations with my parents because of this.
>> It goes that deep with me.
>>
>> I had a psychologist for this, but these kind of things are too big to
>> solve that way. Now I tell my gf that my friends are more important to
>> me than she is. I am not asking her to like it. I am telling her that is
>> how it is with me.
>>
>> When I break up with my gf I can go to my friends for counselling and
>> comfort. They are completely different entities and that is how I want
>> to keep it. A lesson I learned the hard way, but you don't always choose
>> who you are 'infatuated' with. Girls are freaked out by that either way
>> I have found out (at least the more popular girls). They just don't know
>> what they are missing I guess
>>
>> And girls that have never /truly/ been in love, simply can't know what
>> it feels like for a boy. "It is better to have loved than never to have
>> loved at all". I think this is true because no matter how you think of
>> it, it is a grand experience. Not necessarily a positive experience btw.
>>
>> Neo
>
> I'm well aware of why people think it's bad to date friends.
>
> However, I think it's incredibly cynical to cut off that venue
> completely. You're basically saying you expect absolutely any
> relationships you have are going to fail, in which case, why bother?
>
> I've dated people from my gamer group before. They didn't work out for
> one reason or another, but we were all mature about it. Our friends were
> there for both of us, and this probably helped to prevent either of us
> from demonizing the other.
>
> The relationship I'm in now, however, has been confirmed to be an
> extremely healthy one which I enjoy very much. I credit this with having
> the guy as my best friend for three years before introducing romance.
> He's not some status quo fulfilled, or easy affection to have showered
> on me. He's my friend, my equal, and my teammate, and I enjoy spending
> time with him, however it's spent.
>
> I'm sorry you seem to have been so thoroughly hurt, but healing
> eventually has to complete it's course. And don't forget that we're all
> human.
>
> Anyway, I think I'm done with this particular topic.

You don't have to defend you own relation. I am just pointing out what
might happen when you break up. And I think there are few people in this
world that stay together for all their lives. That is a possibility you
have to acknowledge.

And about me healing. That is not going to happen. Never. I learn from
her unwillingly from time to time. And it is not like I didn't try to
solve things gracefully. I had her and her parents over at the
psychologist but the first thing her dad said there was that I was a
rotten person for falling in love with her daughter. Sorry, but you
don't create warm family bonds with such an attitude.

I know from her that her dad forbid her to open my letters because acid
might spray out of them. It was just a cassette tape, like I send her
many before.

No. I am truly hurt and done with it. And done with her parents. And my
aunt and uncles. I can do without all them. It is all talk about how
insane I must be and they talk to each other but never to me. It is a
good thing for them I don't plan to become the omnipotent dictator of
Holland one day.

Sometimes when you date in your circle of friends or family, it is your
friends and family you have to worry about. And not your then ex partner.

I wanted to say this before you cut off this discussion. The only reason
I can talk about it is because I have put it behind me and accepted
things as they are now. Not because I am healed, because that can never
happen and I am too tired of trying after all these years. Screw them,
my uncle, cousin and her mother. And everybody they hang out with!

Neo
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On 2008-11-07, Neo <what.TakeThisOut@thematrix.is> wrote:
> One day I had eye contact with a girl in the train (well, she with me
> actually, a very long stare). So when I met her again on the train I sat
> next to her and talked to her. It clicked really well. Of course I took
> too long to ask her out (I asked her one time but she was tired that
> day, she looked tired too). Then the last time I saw her I had such a
> good time talking to her that I almost forgot to get out of the train. I
> nearly missed my stop, but wished I had missed it in retrospect because
> that was the last time I saw her.
>
> I had some clues though. I knew where she studied as a beautician. I
> knew the sports school of her dad. But frankly, I had forgotten her name
> by then. (I am very bad with names, M. something).

Same here. And I'm not much better with faces to be frank.

> I must have sat with her in the train about three or more times I guess.
> It was really pleasant.
>
> Basically you can talk to someone in the supermarket. Even to the
> 'check-out girl'. My friend who died some years ago has a child with a
> check-out girl. Not that they lived happily ever after or anything, but
> it is possible.
>
> And if you freak a girl out, try with another girl the next day! You
> meet people all the time the moment you step out of your front door.
> Make use of it.

Most people outside the front door are busy doing their own stuff,
though.
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emmel wrote:
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> On different notes: What happened to JNCOBOY?

Yeah, I should probably spend some time with him again. There are enough
corpses in AGC as it is!

Neo
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