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cofatsui

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:47 pm
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Below is an inquiry received on my website, looking for some "official
rules" and advices on holding tournaments. Another good topic to keep
this ng busy? (^_^)

QUOTE
> Comments: I teach Mah Jong and would like to promote it more fully
> here in South Africa
> Please could you assist me in setting upo an official club here by
> supplying me with the officail rules as the rules we are using is
> teh one by Elenor Noss Whitney A Mah Jong HAnd Book
> We use her officail rules not the modern one
> Have just picked up a book by David Prichard in which he states
> that there are now a completely new set of Officail rules
> Would like clrification on this matter for if this is so then i
> have to strat teaching it the new way
> Want to have a Mah Jong Touament soon in SA - could you also
> please advise on what is teh best way of doing it
>
> Many thanks
UNQUOTE

Below was my initial reply:
================================

Thanks for your message.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "official rules" or "official
club". Many users call the rules they use or adopt "official". Some
translated rules of others in other languages into languages of their
own and also call their translated copies of rules "official",
sometimes even without the authorization of the owners of the original
work! Indeed, hardly anything can be official if without a brand name!
If you could provide a brand name of the rule set you are referring to,
I might be able to point you to the right source. I will also post this
message to the Mahjong Newsgroup rec.games.mahjong
(http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.games.mahjong?lnk=lr) so that
someone in the newsgroup could help you out (your personal ID will be
removed).

On the other hand, INTERNATIONAL MAHJONG and IMJ are registered
trademarks. The official rule set bearing these exclusive trademarks is
called INTERNATIONAL MAHJONG RULES (short form: IMJ RULES). IMJ Rules
is under exclusive management but is free to use by the public. It is a
comprehensive set of mahjong rules and may be found at the
International Mahjong Official Website, www.iMahjong.com - Simply
follow the link "View IMJ Rules Online" on the homepage of the site.
Access to IMJ Rules is free!

I hope the above have answered your questions. Feel free to write again
(reply to the email or via the Mahjong Newsgroup).

Regards,
Cofa Tsui, Owner
International Mahjong Official Website
www.iMahjong.com
8/19/2005
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Tom Sloper

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:24 pm
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<cofatsui RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote...
> Below is an inquiry received on my website, looking for some "official
> rules" and advices on holding tournaments. Another good topic to keep
> this ng busy? (^_^)
>
> QUOTE
>> Comments: I teach Mah Jong and would like to promote it more fully
>> here in South Africa
>> Please could you assist me in setting upo an official club here by
>> supplying me with the officail rules as the rules we are using is
>> teh one by Elenor Noss Whitney A Mah Jong HAnd Book
>> We use her officail rules not the modern one
>> Have just picked up a book by David Prichard in which he states
>> that there are now a completely new set of Officail rules
>> Would like clrification on this matter for if this is so then i
>> have to strat teaching it the new way
>> Want to have a Mah Jong Touament soon in SA - could you also
>> please advise on what is teh best way of doing it
>>
>> Many thanks
> UNQUOTE


The writer is definitely talking about Chinese Official rules. Have him read
FAQ 3.

Also have him read FAQ 21 - all about how to run a tournament.
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Tom Sloper

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:37 pm
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"Tom Sloper" <tomsterSPAM RemoveThis @sloperamaSPAM.com> wrote...
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> The writer is definitely talking about Chinese Official rules. Have him
> read FAQ 3.

Oops - and FAQ 4b to find CO rules online.
Tom
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Martin Rep

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:05 pm
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Hello Cofa

Your poster will also be interested to know that the Organizing
Committee of the China Majiang Championship and Forum has published a
formal translation in English of the CMCR (or CO rules - whatever you
prefer). In Europe, they are sold by Daja Mahjong: www.dajamahjong.nl

Greetz


On 2005-08-19 04:47:00 +0200, cofatsui.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com said:

Below is an inquiry received on my website, looking for some "official
> rules" and advices on holding tournaments. Another good topic to keep
> this ng busy? (^_^)
>
> QUOTE
> Comments: I teach Mah Jong and would like to promote it more fully
>>
(etc)


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|Martin Rep
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|The Dutch Championship Riichi Mahjong:
|www.riichi.tk
|The Golden Dragon Hong Kong Mahjong Club:
|www.gouden-draak.nl
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Cofa Tsui

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:02 pm
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Martin Rep wrote:
> Hello Cofa
>
> Your poster will also be interested to know that the Organizing
> Committee of the China Majiang Championship and Forum has published a
> formal translation in English of the CMCR (or CO rules - whatever you
> prefer). In Europe, they are sold by Daja Mahjong: www.dajamahjong.nl
>
> Greetz

Hi Martin,

I just don't know how this copy was qualified as "formal translation" -
Was this copy from the owner of the original work (i.e., General
Administration of Sport of the Chinese government) or their authorized
agent? Or, does the copy provide any information about its "formality"?

I heard (also from your mahjong forum) that the translation of this
"2nd copy" was "much worse". How do you rate its quality?

Cheers!

Cofa Tsui
www.iMahjong.com
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:12 pm
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Hi Cofa


On 2005-08-20 06:02:07 +0200, "Cofa Tsui" <cofatsui.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> said:

>
> I just don't know how this copy was qualified as "formal translation" -
> Was this copy from the owner of the original work (i.e., General
> Administration of Sport of the Chinese government) or their authorized
> agent? Or, does the copy provide any information about its "formality"?

The translation is done by the Organizing Committee of the Open
Competition of Chinese MaJiang. In the meaning you are talking about,
is is not formal nor done by the copyright holder. For the non-Chinese
speaking it gives more insight in the rules, but it definitely is not
the last word about it. As is stated in the introduction of the
document.

>
> I heard (also from your mahjong forum) that the translation of this
> "2nd copy" was "much worse". How do you rate its quality?

It is another attempt to make friendship and clairity between mahjong
players who are longing, and looking for, a real international
standard. Every mahjong player should welcome this standard, which is
the most important step forward in mahjong since the days of Babcock.

Greetz

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|Martin Rep
|The Independent Internet Mahjong Newspaper
|Mahjong News:
|www.mahjongnews.com
|The Dutch Championship Riichi Mahjong:
|www.riichi.tk
|The Golden Dragon Hong Kong Mahjong Club:
|www.gouden-draak.nl
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Cofa Tsui

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:38 pm
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"Martin Rep" <mrep RemoveThis @mahjongnews.com> wrote in message
news:430b66f5$0$11070$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

>> I just don't know how this copy was qualified as "formal translation" -
>> Was this copy from the owner of the original work (i.e., General
>> Administration of Sport of the Chinese government) or their authorized
>> agent? Or, does the copy provide any information about its "formality"?
>
> The translation is done by the Organizing Committee of the Open
> Competition of Chinese MaJiang. In the meaning you are talking about, is
> is not formal nor done by the copyright holder. For the non-Chinese
> speaking it gives more insight in the rules, but it definitely is not the
> last word about it. As is stated in the introduction of the document.

Thanks to Martin for the clarification! The world (especially many years
from now) will appreciate this piece of fact about this new rule set. (In
the future, no one will say that all mahjong came from CO or COIR for that
matter, CMCR is a branch of CO - Just imagination!)

>> I heard (also from your mahjong forum) that the translation of this
>> "2nd copy" was "much worse". How do you rate its quality?
>
> It is another attempt to make friendship and clairity between mahjong
> players who are longing, and looking for, a real international standard.
> Every mahjong player should welcome this standard, which is the most
> important step forward in mahjong since the days of Babcock.

A real international standard for mahjong is good. I am among the first who
created this very idea - Remember our discussions in this ng on "world
unified rules for mahjong" some years ago? Almost all participants didn't
think it was even possible!

I care about the terms how the rule sets are called, and about how the rules
are being used and understood. I see that the way most organizers of mahjong
events are now doing don't seem to be any different from what those
marketers of mahjong products did in the days of Babcock. Quick, poor
translations of the original work (let's call it CMCR) into languages other
than Chinese and call their translated versions "official", "chinese
official", "international official", etc., etc. For example, eighty-eight
points for score element #1 in CMCR became 1 point in some English version
and it became a new, "international", standard! No care about the quality of
the standards. No respect to the original work and its author. Change of
meaning of the original rules at will. In my opinion, the situations about
CMCR (a work protected by international copyright treaties) today are even
worse than that about mahjong (a work in the public domain) in the Babcock
era!

Is this the type or quality of standards you talk about that every mahjong
player should welcome? I doubt that EVERYONE thinks it that way! I don't.

My suggestion: For those who really care about developing a real
international standard for mahjong out of the CMCR, stick strictly with the
original contents of CMCR! If in doubt, contact the owner of the original
work! (Chinese Mahjong Competition Rules ("CMCR") was authorized by the
General Administration of Sport of the Chinese government. Website:
http://www.sport.gov.cn/)

My truthful, sincere, comments.

Cofa Tsui
www.iMahjong.com
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