The movie: Serenity

On Wed, 10 May 2006 19:34:08 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet>
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>Why the hell did Wash die?! Did he want to leave any potential future series
>(any news on that? Is there going to be a season two?), did Wheadon not like
>him? Ah man, what a bitch of a thing to do!

I suspect that if the series had been resurrected, they would take
place before the movie's events. It's not just Wash that died, after
all, and I can't imagine Firefly without the other one that died...


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Wash's death was absolutely brilliant. I mean, ofcourse I'll miss him,
and he was one of my favourite characters in the series, but because
of his death, anyone could die. Everyone could die. It made the end
much more tense and believable. Usually in movies, you know the heroes
will survive. Not this time.

Personally, I think Zoe would have been a better candidate for an
unexpected death. On one hand, it'd be much more dramatic because
she's not just Wash's wife, but also Mal's war buddy, and on the
other hand I feel she's less necessary than Wash; he added a unique
perspective: humor, humanity, he always knew how to put things in
perspective. Perhaps he was less of that world and more of ours.
But now he's dead, and the series, if it ever gets resurrected, won't
be the same without him.


mcv.

On Wed, 10 May 2006 19:34:08 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo.RemoveThis@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet>
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The commentary on the DVD states "Because I wanted the viewer to think
that anyone could die from that moment on - so when someone gets
cut/shot/hit, you think they could be the next to go"

The DVD commentary is well worth a listen.

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Second that.

Joss Whedon is a cruel man to his characters in every series, and in
the commentary, he says he wanted the audience to be really on edge.
Once Wash and Book are dead, he wants you to wonder if this is just
going to be a movie where all the characters get picked off one by one.

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I suppose. But I saw the movie before I ever saw the show, and I thought it
was great. However, I was lucky enough to see it in a movied theater
COMPLETELY ALONE. I mean, there was NOBODY in the place but me. I felt like
Howard Hughes or something. One of the most interesting and arresting movie
experiences of my life.

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>>Why the hell did Wash die?! Did he want to leave any potential future series
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>If you have the DVD, listen to the director's commentary. None of those
>characters are ever coming back. "Serenity" is a swan song for an excellent
>series that the media establishement failed to understand or appreciate. So in
>effect, they were all dead from the very first frame.

We can hope though.

>This gave him a lot of latitude to do something you can't do when you're
>thinking "sequel." I believe Joss Wheedon described it as "raising the stakes."
>You really get the impression that they're all going to die. That this movie is
>going to end like the "shootout at the OK corral."

A lot of it is just the "This ain't Hollywood" thinking that pervades
the series and most of what Joss Whedon does.
The man loves to stand the expected on it's ear - just look at the end
of "The Train Job" - any other series the big bad tattooed dude would
have been the season long villain.

>Why Wash? Everyone else was worth something in a fight, 'cept Kaylee, and she
>was the doctor's love interest. I actually found it rather contrived that Wash
>was the one to die. He gets done landing the ship and then he dies because he's
>useless to the story. I think that's where most of the offense comes from, that
>it felt like the character was used.

I wouldn't have said it was for that reason, after all Kaylee isn't any
good in a fight either.
Wash could have pointed a gun as well as she could, better probably
considering her ability shown in "War Stories".

I'd say it was him because his death was a) possible without killing
anyone else, and b) far more hard hitting because he was the hero of the
moment having managed to land them safely (mostly) after one hell of a
job of flying.

It's not "fair" for him to die having just saved them all, so it has the
most impact.

It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Dweeb <dbohnenberger DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "tilvios" <toxaristhrasoe DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I suppose. But I saw the movie before I ever saw the show, and I thought it
> was great. However, I was lucky enough to see it in a movied theater
> COMPLETELY ALONE. I mean, there was NOBODY in the place but me. I felt like
> Howard Hughes or something. One of the most interesting and arresting movie
> experiences of my life.

I watched it in a rather crowded theatre with Nathan Fillion doing an
intro before the movie, and watching the audience's reaction to Wash'
death during the movie. Rather a special experience, but the fact that
I'd never been to a premiere before may also have something to do with
it.


mcv.

On Wed, 10 May 2006 russell.glasser DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:

> Joss Whedon is a cruel man to his characters in every series, and in
> the commentary, he says he wanted the audience to be really on edge.

Still he did it in a completely unrealistic way in my eyes which rather
brought me into the mood that from now on, everything might be as stupid
or illogical which really was a shame. I mean that cockpit window survived
a space fight and a crash landing and then could be that easily broken?

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