what industry or company neglects at least half its custom..

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:36 +0100, "Les Steel" <a.RemoveThis@aolnot.com> wrote:

>
>"steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> what industry or company neglects at least half its customers?
>>
>> in a time of so many competition between companies to gain
>> market share and more customers so what industry or company
>> would ever decide to neglect at least 50% of its customers?
>> the answer is valve, valve did, they decided to neglect what
>> is for sure at least 50% of their past paying customers
>>
>
>Links please to the facts behind these at least 50% of customers.
>
>I have adjusted the subject for you, as you have yet another rant against
>valve rather than the industry.
>

Since you're at it, you might as well remove the newsgroups that are
off-topic (i.e. comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic)

Oh, and send a standard ECP report to Google.

"Raymond Martineau" <bk039.DeleteThis@ncf.ca> wrote
> Since you're at it, you might as well remove the newsgroups
> that are off-topic (i.e. comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic)
>
> Oh, and send a standard ECP report to Google.

Emergency Contraception Pill?
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> "Raymond Martineau" <bk039 DeleteThis @ncf.ca> wrote
>> Since you're at it, you might as well remove the newsgroups
>> that are off-topic (i.e. comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic)
>>
>> Oh, and send a standard ECP report to Google.
>
> Emergency Contraception Pill?
> -=-

Elasticated Corn Plaster?

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> "Raymond Martineau" <bk039.TakeThisOut@ncf.ca> wrote
>> Since you're at it, you might as well remove the newsgroups
>> that are off-topic (i.e. comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic)
>>
>> Oh, and send a standard ECP report to Google.
>
> Emergency Contraception Pill?
> -=-

Enlarged Colon Port?

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"Raymond Martineau" <bk039.DeleteThis@ncf.ca> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:36 +0100, "Les Steel" <a.DeleteThis@aolnot.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1122443769.663524.190150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> what industry or company neglects at least half its customers?
>>>
>>> in a time of so many competition between companies to gain
>>> market share and more customers so what industry or company
>>> would ever decide to neglect at least 50% of its customers?
>>> the answer is valve, valve did, they decided to neglect what
>>> is for sure at least 50% of their past paying customers
>>>
>>
>>Links please to the facts behind these at least 50% of customers.
>>
>>I have adjusted the subject for you, as you have yet another rant against
>>valve rather than the industry.
>>
>
> Since you're at it, you might as well remove the newsgroups that are
> off-topic (i.e. comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic)
>
> Oh, and send a standard ECP report to Google.

Oops, I forget about that.

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steamKILLER wrote:

> what industry or company neglects at least half its customers?

"You know, selling bras exclusively to women, we're really only utilizing
fifty percent of the market."

Looks like steamKILLER is angling for a mansiere.

"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon RemoveThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> steamKILLER wrote:
>
>> what industry or company neglects at least half its customers?
>
> "You know, selling bras exclusively to women, we're really only utilizing
> fifty percent of the market."
>
> Looks like steamKILLER is angling for a mansiere.
>
>
>
You owe me a new keyboard

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On 27 Jul 2005 23:07:33 -0700, "steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
dared speak in front of ME:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Troll wrote:
>
>> don't like Valve, don't buy their games
>
>yes i can act by not buying a product i'm against but i can
>also write about it!

But when you do it so poorly - as you do here - you just come off like
a very funny joke.

>> Valve has the right to sell its games with whatever sort
>
>you cannot sell whatever you produce! did you know this?
>or do you think you can sell to the consumer anything? that
>you have total freedom to sell whatever you invent? no! no
>you can't sell anything cause there are RULES and LAWS and
>for me its simple valve with steam is BREAKING THE LAWS!

See? That is absolutely hilarious!

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"steamKILLER" <sayNO2steam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> you cannot sell whatever you produce! did you know this?
> or do you think you can sell to the consumer anything? that
> you have total freedom to sell whatever you invent? no! no

Pardon me, what?

Paul Fedorenko wrote:

> I know, I know. I normally don't reply to this guy's posts. I find him
> mildly entertaining most of the time, and if not him directly, then some of
> the replies to his posts. But this last one completely boggles the mind...
> "It's illegal to sell something that you invent." I really shouldn't have
> replied, but was morbidly curious to see what his justification is. I'm
> really, really sorry, and regretted replying the second I hit "send."

To be fair, there are laws about what you can and cannot sell. I can't
quote them all (they vary from country to country) but generally in
developed capitalist countries the product has to be "fit for purpose",
not dangerous, not infringing another patent or copyright and I expect
there are some sort of tax registration regulations as well.

I'm not sure that's what SayNO is driving at though. I think he means
there are rules to prevent any single company developing a monopoly in
a market. Eg. some of the recent legal activity around Microsoft and
its bundling of IE and Media Player.

How does this apply to Steam? Well I guess there would be rules to
prevent Valve abusing their position to make Steam the only way of
buying/playing/patching a game. These rules would ensure that there
were other online distribution/DRM systems available and that consumers
could choose between them. I make this assumption on the basis of what
has happened with MS and IE/Media Player. IANAL.

SayNO believes that Valve are trying to dominate the market with Steam
and create a monopoly as the only means of game distribution (if not a
true monopoly, then a MS-style virtual monopoly). He thinks Valve are
trying to destroy the high-street and mail-order channels, destroy the
concept of a physical product in a box and replace them with a
"download only" model - of which they are the sole provider.

Market forces will dictate whether the high-street and the mail-order
channels survive (and indeed whether the "download only" model survives
for games). Market forces should also dictate the winners and losers in
each market, with legal restrictions preventing any of them abusing
their position to unfairly block competition.

I suspect SayNO's point is based on the Microsoft example, so I will
attempt to explain the difference between Microsoft and Valve.

Microsft were brought before the courts under anti-competition law
because they were bundling Media Player and Internet Explorer in with
their Operating System. The argument was that people were buying the
OS, and Microsoft was abusing its position as the dominant supplier of
OSs to also give away a media player and an internet browser, and this
was effectively making them the dominant player in those markets as
well because the consumer did not need to look for an alternative.
Coupled with this, Microsoft kept its source code secret, so it was
more difficult for other companies to make rival products that
integrated as well with Windows - this was deemed an abuse of
Mircosoft's monopoly as they were using it to prevent competition.

The result was that MS has had to give greater access to / more details
of its source code so that competitors can make alternative products
that can compete fairly.

There is a similarity between Valve and Microsoft, in that Valve are
bundling Steam with Half-Life 2 and "forcing" the consumer to use Steam
to access HL2. They have prevented any competition in this market. The
difference is that Media Player and Internet Explorer are products used
to access third party material. Microsoft does not own the internet
(really) so is not allowed to control the access to the internet. Valve
however, DOES own HL2, so can legitimately control access to it. They
can decide how, where, when and by whom it is played. Internet
Explorer's market is "access to 3rd party material on the internet".
Steam's market is "access to Half-Life 2".

If Valve persuede other games companies to exclusively sell their wares
through Steam, then we are still dealing with private property and the
situation is the same. The equivalent in the Microsoft example would be
if a website were coded so that it only works with one particular
browser. The owner of the website can restrict access to their website
by using passwords and other means; restricting access to certain
browser types is perfectly OK.

* steamKILLER wrote:
[rant snipped]

Please excuse sK - he has been hiding his medication under his tongue
and not swallowing it like a good boy. He stockpiled it last time he
did this and fed it to his pet rabbit and killed it. He is not a well
person.

We have undertaken means to ensure he does not do this any more, but we
need your help. It is rare that he eludes our head nurse Barney from
ensuring his medication is taken, however if he does and then gains
access to one of the library computers to post on usenet, unfortunate
posts like the one he just made must go unanswered.

Normally I do not post on the internet, but as his personal doctor I
have broken my own rules here to ensure that the public do not encourage
any future froth-mouthed rants.

Thankyou and enjoy the show.

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