Please help me solve a dispute!

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On 5 Aug, 10:50, audiogeek <audioge....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Child 1 was deliberatley excluding child 3.  LOL  There is no doubt.
> And then child 1 would walk by and whisper (out loud) that he was
> deleting the pokemon that child 3 really wanted.  Like I said, I have
> to deal with child 1's attitude and his being a brat.  
>
> Child 1 is 12, child 2 is 7, and child 3 is 9.  Child 2 is stuck in
> the middle becuase he is the baby and really doesn't know any better.
> Child 1 is likely telling him he'll lose all his pokemon if he trades
> to child 2, or that child 1 will stop playing with him.  Again,
>
> I truly appreciate your insight.  At different times today I was ready
> to delete all three sets of pokemon and make them all start over, or
> just make all three trade to each other until they are basically even,
> or just leave it alone.  I hate child 1 getting away with it though.
>
> I'm not entirely sure about all the pokemon we are talking about, but
> I do know Jerochi is one.  Jerochi is the one that child 1 let go on
> purpose rather than trade to child 3 (I said he had to trade with
> child 3 if he was going to tade with child 2, so he just let it go
> instead of trading with either.)
>
> Child 2 is a pawn - he isn't that into the game and he is easily
> bullied because he's the youngest.
>
> You guys are the best for helping me out here!  

Okay, I'm no expert, but here's the way I see it.

Child One's behaviour is entirely in the wrong here, and doesn't
deserve a DS or a Pokémon game until he can learn to share. This
needs pointing out to him, and punishments dished out.

Don't delete the files. Once Child One has been sufficiently
punished, and learnt a lesson, he can have it back. Hopefully, he'll
trade with Child Three, and all will be well. Otherwise, confiscate
the game again.

Of course, you don't come to a Pokémon group for parenting advice, so
I assume you want some insight into how damaging it'd be to delete the
games and make them start over.

In short, very damaging. Pokémon's all about collecting, and damaging
a collection is among the worst thing a parent can do, in my view.
I'm reminded of Babylon 5 writer J Michael Straczynski's story of his
father ripping every single comic book he owned in half in front of
him to make him work harder at school. Those comics would be
priceless today.

More than that, it sounds like Child One has some pretty valuable
Pokémon. Jirachi is especially hard to get. Releasing it to deprive
Child Three of the entry is increidbly selfish, so again, this
deserves serious punishment.

Thing to do, in my view, is to apply the same rule to all of them.
They all have an equal right to the games, and to individual Pokémon.
Any of them who deny others help will be denied the games. It takes
two minutes to trade a Jirachi, and anyone who refuses to do so
doesn't deserve to be playing the game at all. This is a game that's
all about sharing and helping each other.

As for whether you should trade Child One's Pokémon to Child Two ...
I'm not so sure. Personally, I wouldn't. I'd wait until Child One
was ready to receive his DS and game back, and then let him trade them
himself.

You know, thinking about it, I don't reckon Child One DID "delete"
Jirachi. Deleting requires releasing the Pokémon, which isn't
something that comes easily - I've had enough trouble releasing common
Zubats in the past! So it's more likely that he hid Jirachi on the PC
somewhere, or maybe on a GameCube or Wii Pokémon storage game if they
have one of those. Do they own Pokémon Box or Pokémon Channel?

Either way, the big message here should be that if you don't play
fairly, and help each other out, you shouldn't play at all. No single
player can "Catch 'Em All" alone - other players are necessary to
complete the game fully, so Child One should be denied the DS any time
he doesn't conform to this ethos.

Steffan

On Aug 5, 1:29 pm, audiogeek <audioge....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steffan, you are awesome.  You have summed everything up perfectly and
> given me the insight I needed to understand what would be fair to all.
> You are absolutely right, I didn't necessarily need parenting advice,
> as we are dealing iwth the selfishness and stuff already.  I just
> wanted to know the appropriate response for the pokemon, and your
> answer was perfect.  Unless someone else jumps in fairly quickly with
> a totally different view and has some good reasons for it, I am going
> with your solution.  He's already lost the DS for awhile.  (Actually,
> we go with a 'no electronics' rule to cover TV, computer, games, etc.)
>
> We don't have Wii or Pokemon Box or Channel (is that TV?)  Sorry to
> sound dumb, I do have a fair grasp of the pokemon stuff, but we don't
> have television (only DVD), so we miss a lot of that stuff.
>
> Released is the term child 1 used.  He said he released him back into
> the wild.  Maybe I'll have a look and see if he was bluffing afterall.
> It's possible.  It's also possible that he would release a pokemon
> that took him months to catch, just to mess with his brothers.  I
> know, it's sad.  
>
> Child 3 is happy again.  We finally got Rise of Darkrai from Netflix.
> Been waiting AGES!
>
> Thank you very much for your help.  You really did help me on this!
>
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:12:12 -0700 (PDT), Steffan Alun
>
>
>
> <iced....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Thing to do, in my view, is to apply the same rule to all of them.
> >They all have an equal right to the games, and to individual Pokémon.
> >Any of them who deny others help will be denied the games.  It takes
> >two minutes to trade a Jirachi, and anyone who refuses to do so
> >doesn't deserve to be playing the game at all.  This is a game that's
> >all about sharing and helping each other.
>
> >As for whether you should trade Child One's Pokémon to Child Two ...
> >I'm not so sure.  Personally, I wouldn't.  I'd wait until Child One
> >was ready to receive his DS and game back, and then let him trade them
> >himself.
>
> >You know, thinking about it, I don't reckon Child One DID "delete"
> >Jirachi.  Deleting requires releasing the Pokémon, which isn't
> >something that comes easily - I've had enough trouble releasing common
> >Zubats in the past!  So it's more likely that he hid Jirachi on the PC
> >somewhere, or maybe on a GameCube or Wii Pokémon storage game if they
> >have one of those.  Do they own Pokémon Box or Pokémon Channel?
>
> >Either way, the big message here should be that if you don't play
> >fairly, and help each other out, you shouldn't play at all.  No single
> >player can "Catch 'Em All" alone - other players are necessary to
> >complete the game fully, so Child One should be denied the DS any time
> >he doesn't conform to this ethos.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Steffan is right about the Pokemon ethics. It's about co-operation
(to help kids learn to co-operate in the big scheme of things) and
getting along (even the cartoon I think (I don't watch it)). You must
trade to get to collect them all.

I used to baby sit my 3 nephews (closer in age than yours at 8,7 & 5)
and I found that from week to week one of them would be excluded. The
oldest for some reason would start this, usually teaming up with the
youngest which didn't bug the middle one nearly as much as the oldest
would have liked (he could occupy himself, the oldest never really
learn this valuable skill). Sometimes the younger two would exclude
the oldest and this drove him crazy; on the odd occasion the youngest
was the odd one out, but it didn't bug him much either since the older
two (less than a year between them) would be playing hockey or some
other skill type game that the youngest was slightly more clumzy at
and only occasionally would I step in (violence). But I don't think
any of them would have played power games with Pokemon.

Some of your situation might be because the middle child likes pokemon
more than the other two at this time. The oldest gets more
opportunities to get pokes on-line (because of the age gap) and knows
that the middle kid would really like those pokes either because they
are rare if the kid is into collecting or powerful if the kid is into
battling (the one you described is rare and powerful I think, I don't
have it). If they have different styles of gameplay then the one who
wins when they battle sometimes lord it over the one who loses but the
one who is into collecting lords it over the ones who don't have as
many pokes collected. Sometimes a reminder that there is always
someone better out there is good.

Good luck on the attitude problem. I have heard it only gets worse
for a while... then the kid grows up and learn you were right all
along. There is a joke about little kids thinking Mom/Dad knows
everything, teenagers think Mom/Dad know nothing, as the grow up and
have kids of their own they again think Mom/Dad knows everything.


daramark

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"audiogeek" <audiogeek1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Released is the term child 1 used. He said he released him back into
> the wild. Maybe I'll have a look and see if he was bluffing afterall.
> It's possible. It's also possible that he would release a pokemon
> that took him months to catch, just to mess with his brothers. I
> know, it's sad.
>
I've never released a Pokemon, so I don't know how this works, but I'm
pretty sure that the Pokemon he released aren't lost forever unless you save
afterward. If you turn the game off then back on without saving, the
Pokemon in question should still be there. Of course, all progress since
the last save is lost, so hopefully they haven't done anything important
since then.


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On 5 Aug, 18:29, audiogeek <audioge....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steffan, you are awesome.  You have summed everything up perfectly and
> given me the insight I needed to understand what would be fair to all.
> You are absolutely right, I didn't necessarily need parenting advice,
> as we are dealing iwth the selfishness and stuff already.  I just
> wanted to know the appropriate response for the pokemon, and your
> answer was perfect.  Unless someone else jumps in fairly quickly with
> a totally different view and has some good reasons for it, I am going
> with your solution.  He's already lost the DS for awhile.  (Actually,
> we go with a 'no electronics' rule to cover TV, computer, games, etc.)

Glad I could help. It did sound like you knew a fair bit about the
way Pokémon works, but it's always helpful to know as much as you can
about your kids' interests, I feel - especially when it comes to
disciplining them.

> We don't have Wii or Pokemon Box or Channel (is that TV?)  Sorry to
> sound dumb, I do have a fair grasp of the pokemon stuff, but we don't
> have television (only DVD), so we miss a lot of that stuff.

Box, Channel and Ranch are the names of various games for Nintendo's
home consoles (the GameCube and the Wii). I forgot to mention
Colosseum and Gale of Darkness too. All those games offer rare
Pokémon that can be hard to get otherwise, and most of them also allow
you to store your own Pokémon.

It seemed likely that Child One had access to at least one of those
games, since he has a Jirachi - and Jirachi is only available from
those games (Channel in the UK, Colosseum in the US). You said he got
these Pokémon from a relative - would he have been able to get to this
relative again easily? If so, he may not care about releasing
Jirachi. I heard that the US game allows you to get as many Jirachis
as you like.

(The other reason I mentioned them was in case he'd used these games
to hide the Jirachi.)

> Released is the term child 1 used.  He said he released him back into
> the wild.  Maybe I'll have a look and see if he was bluffing afterall.
> It's possible.  It's also possible that he would release a pokemon
> that took him months to catch, just to mess with his brothers.  I
> know, it's sad.  
>
> Child 3 is happy again.  We finally got Rise of Darkrai from Netflix.
> Been waiting AGES!

Good news! Glad it's worked out for him. (I've been calling them all
"him" I think - apologies if any are daughters.)

Something that may be of interest to you is that Nintendo organise
special events to give certain rare Pokémon away. Depending on where
you are in the world (the US gets a lot of these, and the UK's not so
bad, but I gather Canada and Australia aren't treated very well, for
example), these might be good motivation for Child One to behave, as
well as a treat for Child Three. I think the US will be getting a
Deoxys event soon, and the UK's in the middle of a Darkrai tour.

Steffan

On 5 Aug, 20:24, daramark <daram... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steffan is right about the Pokemon ethics.  It's about co-operation
> (to help kids learn to co-operate in the big scheme of things) and
> getting along (even the cartoon I think (I don't watch it)).  You must
> trade to get to collect them all.

Yeah, you're right about the cartoon. It's very heavy-handed with its
friends-working-together moral. Very, very rarely do the main
characters argue, and when they do, it tends to end badly.

Indeed, if you take a look back over the original PokéWars! stories in
'99, the vast majority of writers have nice characters who are
friendly and kind, and willing to travel with anyone who's equally
friendly and kind. Characters who were created to be meaner tended to
have these nice characters try to show them the error of their ways a
lot.

It's a very friendly franchise and fandom. Indeed, you and Ted are
good examples of this nowadays, with plenty of offers of rare Pokémon
and berries.

Steffan

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:12:12 -0700 (PDT), in alt.games.nintendo.pokemon Steffan
Alun <iceduck.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In short, very damaging. Pokémon's all about collecting, and damaging
>a collection is among the worst thing a parent can do, in my view.
>I'm reminded of Babylon 5 writer J Michael Straczynski's story of his
>father ripping every single comic book he owned in half in front of
>him to make him work harder at school. Those comics would be
>priceless today.


I quit playing pokemon for about a year and my 9 year old snuck off with my DS
and my Ruby and reset it.. she put some of the pokemon in her game but she left
my favorites in the game when she reset it. I miss my level 100 combuskin and
my battle tower breloom and my awesome dugtrio Now I have started playing
diamond and I made her train me a new combuskin but it's just not the same.. At
least she saved my shine crobat and my favorite linoon (now level 100) and
whishcach and my battle tower skarmory, they are now in my diamond game.