I know this is the most discussed question...but...

The only Player in his collection i've weard the image looks so bad on a
New HDTV in the Player LD X1. I was thinking on one, but after i weard the
opinions about it, i've quit.

Nin why not a CLD 97 or the BEAST PIONEER LD X1 (LD S2 US VERSION)?
Don't you like that player?

Nin why not a CLD 97 or the BEAST PIONEER LD X1 (LD S2 US VERSION)?
Don't you like that player?
The HLD X0's could you find any of these players Brand New?
A Pioneer HLD X0 is for life right? Runs many many hours...

Laserdisc_machine skrev:

> Nin why not a CLD 97 or the BEAST PIONEER LD X1 (LD S2 US VERSION)?
> Don't you like that player?

Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97

nin wrote:
> Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97

Just a matter of opinion, of course.

-Junior

Probably, and my own personal opinion is the Pioneer (and the other
usual suspect, of course, but mostly Pioneer) made TOO MANY MODELS of
LaserDisc player. If you look at the "LaserDisc archive UK" website,
the owner has them listed by year, with an unsorted section at the
bottom. Some years have more than twenty entries!
While there's a certain justification for producing a range of
models, with different feature sets for different requirements and
price points, I really think they produced more than the market
justified. Concentrating on fewer types would probably have made the
players significantly less expensive, even with a broader feature set
on each player to allow it to suit a larger market niche.

From everything I've read, for all-around usefulness to the
consumer-level user, particularly one who has some interest in playing
back MUSE discs, the HLD-X9 is the way to go, and that's really the
only one I want to get now that I have two 704s. Others, with
different requirements, might want to forego the double-side play and
advanced video processing of the X9 for the low-noise performance of
the X0, or have some other particlar models in mind, but does anyone
even care anymore about the difference between the CLD-737 and CLD-757?

--publius--


unclejr wrote:
> nin wrote:
> > Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97
>
> Just a matter of opinion, of course.
>
> -Junior

Matter of opionion YES. After defaulting my CLD-97 DNR to OFF verses the
factory ON and fine tuning the 97 I prefer it to the X9 I had also fine
tuned.

I'd love to see a X0 as I probably would prefer the X0 picture over the 97
but would keep the 97 just because it is dual sided. I have seen the LD-S2
do remarkable things, Clean picture and be the only player to have a clean
picture where others players had herringbone patterns in the picture. The
X0 sounds like it is everything the S2 is and more.

Kurtis

"unclejr" <watsona DeleteThis @kenyon.edu> wrote in message
news:1157783759.631084.252510@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> nin wrote:
>> Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97
>
> Just a matter of opinion, of course.
>
> -Junior
>

unclejr skrev:

> nin wrote:
> > Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97
>
> Just a matter of opinion, of course.
>
> -Junior


I have only found one person that prefer the CLD-97 over the X9, and
that is Kurtis. Well, it maybe are some the owns a CLD-97 and will say
it's better than anything on this earth, but I don't regard these
people as serious and something to listen to.
All other that have tried both, or all three, are saying the japanese
players are better.

Maybe I could borrow a friends kurtis tweaked CLD-97 and do some
indepth screenshots and post it later...

In conversations I have had with Duncan of Bayview Electronics, who
has worked on laser disk players since day one. I do believe his
choice player is an Elite CLD-95.
Though I have never had the opportunity to see any Japanese model in
action, I do like my CLD-D704 very well.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Ed







On 11 Sep 2006 06:51:53 -0700, "nin" <nin.DeleteThis@beta.telenordia.se> wrote:

>
>unclejr skrev:
>
>> nin wrote:
>> > Both HLD-X9 and HLD-X0 are better than the CLD-97
>>
>> Just a matter of opinion, of course.
>>
>> -Junior
>
>
>I have only found one person that prefer the CLD-97 over the X9, and
>that is Kurtis. Well, it maybe are some the owns a CLD-97 and will say
>it's better than anything on this earth, but I don't regard these
>people as serious and something to listen to.
>All other that have tried both, or all three, are saying the japanese
>players are better.
>
>Maybe I could borrow a friends kurtis tweaked CLD-97 and do some
>indepth screenshots and post it later...

Nitehawk^ wrote:
> In conversations I have had with Duncan of Bayview Electronics, who
> has worked on laser disk players since day one. I do believe his
> choice player is an Elite CLD-95.
> Though I have never had the opportunity to see any Japanese model in
> action, I do like my CLD-D704 very well.

My high-end player is the LD-S2, and it beats my CLD-79 in every
conceivable category. The picture of the LD-S2 is rock solid and
nearly DVD-like for later-pressed LDs. I run the composite output into
my Crystal Vision VPS-1 2D adaptive external comb filter, and then the
s-video into my (antiquated) 32" analog SDTV.

I just saw the following auction on eBay for one today, but, alas,
someone beat me to the "Buy It Now" punch. Dayum!:

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130026372686>

-Junior

nin wrote:
> Well, my my LD system right now are:
>
> 2 Pioneer HLD-X0
> 1 Pioneer HLD-X9 (sold my back-up player)
> 1 Pioneer R7G
> 1 Pioneer CLD-925 (best PAL/NTSC player)
> 1 Pioneer CLD-315

Hah! I'll see your rather paltry LD player stable with my:

All Pioneer (and in order of picture quality): LD-S2, CLD-79, CLD-1010,
CLD-3070, and... LD-V4200. The LD-V4200 was free from a neighbor who
wanted to be rid of it, yet didn't have the fortitude to pitch it in
the trash.



-Junior

Hugh Candlin wrote:
> My "dirty dozen" collection, supporting 600 LD's
> plus another 200 [discs, not players]on my wishlist:
>
> Pioneer CLD-D704
> Pioneer CLD-D703
> Pioneer CLD-D504
> Pioneer CLD-D503
> Pioneer CLD-M90
> Pioneer CLD-M301
> Pioneer CLD-V2400
> Pioneer CLD-3070
> Pioneer CLD-1070
> Pioneer CLD-980
> RCA LDR 307
> Magnavox CDV 484

Is this the order in which you would rank their performance regarding
PQ?

-Junior

I know another that prefers the CLD-95, Stephen Sank who is an expert for
repairing Nakamichi Cassette Decks.

It all really comes down to preferences.

I really like the CLD-97 but that is because it has an analog look in the
background. If you are using a digital TV you just lost the analog look so
the 97 may not be the best choice. I did use the X9 when connected directly
to my HDTV as it's Adaptive filter was better than the one in the HDTV.
After I bought a used Faroudja NRS scalar the CLD-97 worked better with it
as the X9 is not as low noise with the DNR OFF but the DNR in the X9 along
with the DNR in the Faroudja did not work as good as the 97 in the Faroudja.

Now if you don't mind the digital type background look then the
704/79/99/S9/X9 are very good deal with the X9 being the only player without
the white streaking problems.

So all these players are good, the 95/97/S2/X0 are designs for the analog
era and the 703/704/79/99/S9/X9 use the digital DNR designs.

I just prefer analog designs but I do have to modify the 97 to default to
DNR OFF each time a LD is installed, the 97 only has DNR ON/OFF and chroma
and lumance is tied together. The S2 defaults to lumance OFF and Chroma ON
which is my preference. I'd love to see the X0 as if I has keeping a single
sided player it would be the S2 or X0.

Kurtis


"unclejr" <watsona.RemoveThis@kenyon.edu> wrote in message
news:1158079002.235114.292920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Nitehawk^ wrote:
>> In conversations I have had with Duncan of Bayview Electronics, who
>> has worked on laser disk players since day one. I do believe his
>> choice player is an Elite CLD-95.
>> Though I have never had the opportunity to see any Japanese model in
>> action, I do like my CLD-D704 very well.
>
> My high-end player is the LD-S2, and it beats my CLD-79 in every
> conceivable category. The picture of the LD-S2 is rock solid and
> nearly DVD-like for later-pressed LDs. I run the composite output into
> my Crystal Vision VPS-1 2D adaptive external comb filter, and then the
> s-video into my (antiquated) 32" analog SDTV.
>
> I just saw the following auction on eBay for one today, but, alas,
> someone beat me to the "Buy It Now" punch. Dayum!:
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130026372686>
>
> -Junior
>