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Mike Doe

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac Archived from groups: rec>games>roguelike>misc (more info?)

I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? I'd like to add my thanks for setting up akrasiac: what a great resource! Mike

Rubinstein

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mike Doe wrote: > I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM > charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? Yeah, I've also seen this, and no, I can't help here. The reason why I pop in is that I was wondering why the s-key don't work like I would expect: in Xarann's view it toggled between IBM and another, somewhat srcambled view. I'd expect 's' also toggling to my prefered view, but in this case it won't. On all other views 's' does nothing for me (I don't mind, but others probably do). As a sidenote (pretty OT but not worth to open a new thread) I've noticed the option 'stash_tracking = explicit' seems being ignored by the server (should be default or even forced IMO). I can't believe it's intended, since the current setting not only produces very big .lst files with lots of useless junk, but also can't be that fortunate for server load/performance. Dunno, most players probably like it that way or are just used to it. No problem, on a local system that is... -- Der (Um)Weg ist das Ziel

Rachel Elizabeth Dillon

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Since: Dec 20, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike Doe wrote: >> I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM >> charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? > > Yeah, I've also seen this, and no, I can't help here. The reason why I > pop in is that I was wondering why the s-key don't work like I would > expect: in Xarann's view it toggled between IBM and another, somewhat > srcambled view. I'd expect 's' also toggling to my prefered view, but in > this case it won't. On all other views 's' does nothing for me (I don't > mind, but others probably do). "Srcambled" is a great typo there I don't actually know how to work with this, but I've noted two bugs: * 's' doesn't fix view * documentation doesn't explain how to use IBMgraphics > As a sidenote (pretty OT but not worth to open a new thread) I've > noticed the option 'stash_tracking = explicit' seems being ignored by > the server (should be default or even forced IMO). I can't believe it's > intended, since the current setting not only produces very big .lst > files with lots of useless junk, but also can't be that fortunate for > server load/performance. Dunno, most players probably like it that way > or are just used to it. No problem, on a local system that is... I'll have to look into this more as well --- I haven't advanced to the point where I have even thought about stash tracking --- but I've added this to the bugs list as well. Thanks! -r. (at some point maybe I should put together something other than an HTML page...)

Darshan Shaligram

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Since: Feb 06, 2006
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Rubinstein <piborg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> writes: > Mike Doe wrote: > > I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM > > charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? > Yeah, I've also seen this, and no, I can't help here. The reason why > I pop in is that I was wondering why the s-key don't work like I > would expect: in Xarann's view it toggled between IBM and another, > somewhat srcambled view. I'd expect 's' also toggling to my prefered > view, but in this case it won't. On all other views 's' does nothing > for me (I don't mind, but others probably do). As Rachel notes elsewhere, dgamelaunch probably needs tweaking for this. > As a sidenote (pretty OT but not worth to open a new thread) I've > noticed the option 'stash_tracking = explicit' seems being ignored by > the server (should be default or even forced IMO). stash_tracking = all is fairly memory hungry in roguelike terms, but it shouldn't be an issue for modern hardware. Speedwise again it shouldn't be a problem. A bigger drain on a public server is ^O explore. If you set stash_tracking = explicit mid-game, previously (automatically) noted stashes will still be remembered - the stash_tracking option only affects new stashes. > I can't believe it's intended, since the current setting not only > produces very big .lst files with lots of useless junk, but also > can't be that fortunate for server load/performance. Performance is not a worry for stash-tracking, and nobody reads .lst files (ok, maybe you do ). Once you get used to stash_tracking=all (as I have), it's very hard to go back. -- Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.DeleteThis@gmail.com> Deus vult

Mike Doe

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Since: Oct 03, 2006
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac (solved) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2006-12-26, Mike Doe <Mike RemoveThis @doe.com> wrote: > I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM > charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? What a twit I am: the answer was right there on the akrasiac front page. char_set=ibm I did not realise that this has been fixed and moved from compile time to an option. Thanks for the good work, team-SS! Mike

Rachel Elizabeth Dillon

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Since: Dec 20, 2006
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac (solved) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2006-12-27, Mike Doe <Mike RemoveThis @doe.com> wrote: > On 2006-12-26, Mike Doe <Mike RemoveThis @doe.com> wrote: >> I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM >> charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? > > What a twit I am: the answer was right there on the akrasiac front page. > char_set=ibm In fairness it was only there after you asked -r. > I did not realise that this has been fixed and moved from compile time > to an option. > > Thanks for the good work, team-SS! > > Mike

Mike Doe

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac in putty [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2006-12-27, Rachel Elizabeth Dillon <rax.TakeThisOut@yiff.mit.edu> wrote: >> What a twit I am: the answer was right there on the akrasiac front page. >> char_set=ibm > > In fairness it was only there after you asked > I've finally figured out how to make char_set=ibm work with putty (I normally play from a linux console). Under settings/window/translation choose CP437 from the dropdown for character set, and choose 'unicode line drawing code points'. This works with courier new 16pt (have not tried it with other fonts). Mike

Rubinstein

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Since: Mar 10, 2006
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Darshan Shaligram wrote: > Rubinstein <piborg DeleteThis @gmail.com> writes: > >> ['stash_tracking = explicit' being ignored by the server] >> (should be default or even forced IMO). > > stash_tracking = all is fairly memory hungry in roguelike terms, but > it shouldn't be an issue for modern hardware. Speedwise again it > shouldn't be a problem. A bigger drain on a public server is ^O > explore. If you're sure about that, it'll be fine for me as well. There's still the point of personal preferences, though. I like to use my few stashes as some kind of shortcut for waypoints, similar to ^W, but the unlimited version. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start a controversy about what should be default. I'm just struggling for my habits... > Performance is not a worry for stash-tracking, and nobody reads .lst > files (ok, maybe you do ). Once you get used to stash_tracking=all > (as I have), it's very hard to go back. What I say: we're talking about habits! (of course my habits are better than yours) duck -- Der (Um)Weg ist das Ziel

Rubinstein

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Rachel Elizabeth Dillon wrote: > On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote: >> Mike Doe wrote: >>> I've just seen someone (Xarann to be precise) playing with the IBM >>> charset. Can someone tell me how to enable this? >> >> Yeah, I've also seen this, and no, I can't help here. The reason why I >> pop in is that I was wondering why the s-key don't work like I would >> expect: in Xarann's view it toggled between IBM and another, somewhat >> srcambled view. I'd expect 's' also toggling to my prefered view, but in >> this case it won't. On all other views 's' does nothing for me (I don't >> mind, but others probably do). > > "Srcambled" is a great typo there The best jokes sometimes are the unintended... I bet most of us even haven't noticed this typo (me included). Doesn't it look naturally? Btw, this 'srcambled' charset has a name, and right now I seem to recall what it was. I think it had 'DEC' in it's name. I've already seen it during my Nethack times and it always looked ugly and useless on my terminal. I'm curious whether anyone ever used this strange charset... (Oh well, I'm getting more and more OT) >> As a sidenote (pretty OT but not worth to open a new thread) I've >> noticed the option 'stash_tracking = explicit' seems being ignored by >> the server (should be default or even forced IMO). > > I'll have to look into this more as well --- I haven't advanced to the > point where I have even thought about stash tracking --- but I've > added this to the bugs list as well. As I already told to Darshan, I don't insist on 'stash_tracking = explicit' for default, but I 'd like to see it as a real option. -- Der (Um)Weg ist das Ziel

Rachel Elizabeth Dillon

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Since: Dec 20, 2006
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote: > Rachel Elizabeth Dillon wrote: >> On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote: >>> As a sidenote (pretty OT but not worth to open a new thread) I've >>> noticed the option 'stash_tracking = explicit' seems being ignored by >>> the server (should be default or even forced IMO). >> >> I'll have to look into this more as well --- I haven't advanced to the >> point where I have even thought about stash tracking --- but I've >> added this to the bugs list as well. > > As I already told to Darshan, I don't insist on 'stash_tracking = > explicit' for default, but I 'd like to see it as a real option. Do you happen to know what would have to change in order to get that? If you do, I'd likely be happy to just do it for you. If you don't, it will take me longer to get to it -r.

Darshan Shaligram

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Rachel Elizabeth Dillon <rax.DeleteThis@yiff.mit.edu> writes: > On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote: [...] >> As I already told to Darshan, I don't insist on 'stash_tracking = >> explicit' for default, but I 'd like to see it as a real option. > Do you happen to know what would have to change in order to get > that? If you do, I'd likely be happy to just do it for you. If you > don't, it will take me longer to get to it Stash-tracking mode can be set in .crawlrc as stash_tracking = explicit \| dropped \| all It defaults to "all", thanks to lobbying by Erik, and the fact that I also like "all" best. -- Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.DeleteThis@gmail.com> Deus vult

Timofei Shatrov

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:23:35 +0530, Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> tried to confuse everyone with this message: >Rachel Elizabeth Dillon <rax.TakeThisOut@yiff.mit.edu> writes: >> On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote: >[...] >>> As I already told to Darshan, I don't insist on 'stash_tracking = >>> explicit' for default, but I 'd like to see it as a real option. > >> Do you happen to know what would have to change in order to get >> that? If you do, I'd likely be happy to just do it for you. If you >> don't, it will take me longer to get to it > >Stash-tracking mode can be set in .crawlrc as > >stash_tracking = explicit \| dropped \| all > >It defaults to "all", thanks to lobbying by Erik, and the fact that I >also like "all" best. And the docs still say that explicit is the default... -- \|Don't believe this - you're not worthless ,gr---------.ru \|It's us against millions and we can't take them all... \| ue il \| \|But we can take them on! \| @ma \| \| (A Wilhelm Scream - The Rip) \|______________\|

Rubinstein

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Darshan Shaligram wrote: > Rachel Elizabeth Dillon <rax RemoveThis @yiff.mit.edu> writes: >> On 2006-12-27, Rubinstein <piborg RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >>> As I already told to Darshan, I don't insist on 'stash_tracking = >>> explicit' for default, but I 'd like to see it as a real option. > >> Do you happen to know what would have to change in order to get that? >> If you do, I'd likely be happy to just do it for you. If you don't, >> it will take me longer to get to it > > Stash-tracking mode can be set in .crawlrc as > > stash_tracking = explicit \| dropped \| all I have 'explicit' set in my options, but since the server obviously won't accept it, I wonder what else could Rachel do for me? > It defaults to "all", thanks to lobbying by Erik, and the fact that I > also like "all" best. Pah, f****** lobbyists. -- Why am I always a minority?

Darshan Shaligram

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

grue.TakeThisOut@mail.ru (Timofei Shatrov) writes: > On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:23:35 +0530, Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> > tried to confuse everyone with this message: >>It defaults to "all", thanks to lobbying by Erik, and the fact that >>I also like "all" best. > And the docs still say that explicit is the default... The documentation will fix itself by 0.2. (This is largely my fault - David fixed the documentation quite a while back in trunk, but I keep forgetting to backport it for the 0.1.x releases.) -- Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> Deus vult

Darshan Shaligram

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: [crawl] IBM charset on akrasiac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Rubinstein <piborg.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> writes: [stash-tracking] > I have 'explicit' set in my options, but since the server obviously > won't accept it, I wonder what else could Rachel do for me? You mean you edited your .crawlrc on the server to include stash_tracking = explicit and it did not take effect? Note that it won't affect pre-existing stashes. If it's not working, that's a bug. -- Darshan Shaligram <scintilla.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> Deus vult

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