XB360 WILL Play Xbox1 games

"Xbox 360 backward compatible with top-selling Xbox games. "

WTF does THAT mean? The X360 will reject games like Shrek or The Matrix
Reloaded?

Jonah Falcon

<Radeon350 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Xbox360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox games
>
> http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8273/Xbox-360-Details-Emerge-at-E3-2005-...x-Press
>
> they will start with the most popular games and work their way down.
>
>
> sounds like emulation
>

Jonah Falcon wrote:
> "Xbox 360 backward compatible with top-selling Xbox games. "
>
> WTF does THAT mean? The X360 will reject games like Shrek or The
Matrix
> Reloaded?

I dunno what it means myself, but it sure smells funny.

I never thought the Xbox was ever gonna be backwards compatible and
after it's non-announcement at the MTV infomercial I figured that was
the final confirmation, but this "top-selling game" garbage seems like
they're flailing.

Actually, the Matrix Reloaded sold quite well. People complained that
it wasn't very good or that it was buggy, but I didn't have much
trouble with it.

You missed the biggest line though...

"Final Fantasy XI is coming to Xbox 360."

- Jordan

"Christian Winter" <cwinter DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> This doesn't seem to make any sense at all, but hey, whatever. I will
> wait until I go to the official XBox site and it says it there.
>
It does make sense, read Glitch's post in ugvx, it's the only way they can
do it, that's why its being done this way.

Matt Hook wrote:
> "Christian Winter" <cwinter RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116331687.477722.182920@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>This doesn't seem to make any sense at all, but hey, whatever. I will
>>wait until I go to the official XBox site and it says it there.
>>
>
> It does make sense, read Glitch's post in ugvx, it's the only way they can
> do it, that's why its being done this way.

As much as I hate cross posting (hence why i removed all but ugvx for my
reply), just this once...

If anything I would expect there would be some emulation software built
into the 360 OS, which could over time be updated via live, much like
the software version on the current xbox OS has changed over time. This
could allow for development and refinement of the emulation engine.

The main problem comes with the differences in archtecture, given that
the PowerPC CPU is vastly different from the Intel architecture of the
current xbox. Also the ATI GPU will work differently from the nVIDIA,
the nVIDIA chip has a programmable shader routine to write custom code
for the hardware, making it specific. These would need to be emulated or
recoded for the ATI hardware, most likely via built in emulation software.

Just my two cents.

Matt

[GLY7CH] wrote:
> Matt Hook wrote:
>
>> "Christian Winter" <cwinter DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1116331687.477722.182920@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> This doesn't seem to make any sense at all, but hey, whatever. I will
>>> wait until I go to the official XBox site and it says it there.
>>>
>>
>> It does make sense, read Glitch's post in ugvx, it's the only way they
>> can do it, that's why its being done this way.
>
>
> As much as I hate cross posting (hence why i removed all but ugvx for my
> reply), just this once...
>
> If anything I would expect there would be some emulation software built
> into the 360 OS, which could over time be updated via live, much like
> the software version on the current xbox OS has changed over time. This
> could allow for development and refinement of the emulation engine.
>
> The main problem comes with the differences in archtecture, given that
> the PowerPC CPU is vastly different from the Intel architecture of the
> current xbox. Also the ATI GPU will work differently from the nVIDIA,
> the nVIDIA chip has a programmable shader routine to write custom code
> for the hardware, making it specific. These would need to be emulated or
> recoded for the ATI hardware, most likely via built in emulation software.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Matt

So cross posting is ok now from this group ?

Oh well it seems so.

<Radeon350.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Xbox360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox games
>
> http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8273/Xbox-360-Details-Emerge-at-E3-2005-...x-Press
>
> they will start with the most popular games and work their way down.
>
>
> sounds like emulation

Just a crazy thought...

Another way they could do it is to recompile some games for the new hardware
and include them on the hard drive.
Activation would be via inserting the original disk.

It's only the XBE that'd be different, so 10mb max, that could be downloaded
on the fly from LIVE, and there you have it, you're original game working
great in native 360 code.

<Radeon350.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Xbox360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox games
>
>
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8273/Xbox-360-Details-Emerge-at-E3-2005-Xbox-P
ress-Briefing/
>
> they will start with the most popular games and work their way down.
>
>
> sounds like emulation
>

>
> Am sure they said there releasing halo 2 on 360 anyway but with much
> better graphics etc.
>
> Gordy
>

Yeah, it's called Halo 360

"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Xbox 360 backward compatible with top-selling Xbox games. "
>
> WTF does THAT mean? The X360 will reject games like Shrek or The Matrix
> Reloaded?
>
> Jonah Falcon
>
> <Radeon350 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1116307247.122031.252120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Xbox360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox games
>>
>> http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8273/Xbox-360-Details-Emerge-at-E3-2005-...x-Press
>>
>> they will start with the most popular games and work their way down.
>>
>>
>> sounds like emulation
>>
>
>

To me, I would think that with the power of the XBOX 360, it would easily be
able to handle the CPU overhead for XBOX 1 emulation. Of course emulation
can never 100% emulate the real thing without some headaches, they may just
mean that they will ensure top titles work, and if others don't, well too
bad.

"Dr Gordon Crowbar" <Justin.DeleteThis@c.com> wrote in message
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>
> <Radeon350.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1116307247.122031.252120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Xbox360 will be backwards compatible with Xbox games
>>
>> http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8273/Xbox-360-Details-Emerge-at-E3-2005-...x-Press
>>
>> they will start with the most popular games and work their way down.
>>
>>
>> sounds like emulation
>
> Just a crazy thought...
>
> Another way they could do it is to recompile some games for the new
> hardware and include them on the hard drive.
> Activation would be via inserting the original disk.
>
>
>

to be honest this has to be the way there doing it, if you wanna play halo
for example you gotta download the halo pach which is basically just the
code part of the game recompiled for 360 and it uses all the same vids/music
and textures from the original dvd.

Gordy

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:31:28 GMT, Dog Bowl
<dogUNDERSCOREbowl DeleteThis @ntlFOODworld.com> wrote:

>In article <Gmrie.7097$X86.4342@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
>gordon_ashSP@Mntlworld.com says...
>
><snip>
>
>> > Another way they could do it is to recompile some games for the new
>> > hardware and include them on the hard drive.
>> > Activation would be via inserting the original disk.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> to be honest this has to be the way there doing it, if you wanna play halo
>> for example you gotta download the halo pach which is basically just the
>> code part of the game recompiled for 360 and it uses all the same vids/music
>> and textures from the original dvd.
>>
>
>Thats pretty much what I expect too. Possibly a hybrid of x86 emulation,
>new exe's, patches to replace Nvidia microcode and games that only use
>DirectX calls with odd bits of translation too.

Only about 10% of xbox owners use xbox live. Any form of emulation
that requires you to download a patch doesn't seem like a good idea.
On the other hand, if they plan on increasing the emulation list of
games, XBL makes the most sense. Perhaps they can make the patches
available on live but also make disks available for free through
retailers.

MS may also have the emulation patches installed on the HD, if it's
included in the basic package.