Wargame of the Year 2008 - the election thread

>
> Want to restate your vote or do I go with
>
> Panzer Command : 5 points
> Mount and Blade : 1 point ?
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx


That is ok, as I get the opportunity to grumble over the referee.
Surely not the best year in wargaming. Perhaps we were spoiled?

-Henius

Why is "HexKit" included? It's been around for eight years....

On 2 jan, 15:14, Raging Tiger <RagingTi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Why is "HexKit" included? It's been around for eight years....

Version 4.0 was recently released which technically makes it a 2008
game.

Real answer : I screwed up - with so few good wargames getting
released I had a really good look at in only some months ago so it
kinda stuck with me as a "2008 release"

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

On Jan 2, 8:31 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com" <eddyster....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2 jan, 15:14, Raging Tiger <RagingTi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why is "HexKit" included? It's been around for eight years....
>
> Version 4.0 was recently released which technically makes it a 2008
> game.
>
> Real answer : I screwed up - with so few good wargames getting
> released I had a really good look at in only some months ago so it
> kinda stuck with me as a "2008 release"
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx

Roger, understand. I guess the real question is why it would be
included at all...the quality of the game created depends entirely on
the individual created, and has nothing to do with the engine used.

On 2 jan, 15:54, Raging Tiger <RagingTi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Roger, understand. I guess the real question is why it would be
> included at all

I see. Your point is that it's simply an engine, not a game. Well, it
came with a game - Crecy - and for me half the fun with any game is
tinkering with it so that's what I did with HexKit.

I guess in a year of abundance it would have gone unremarked.

Care to post a vote ?

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

On 2 jan, 16:42, "Bartow W. Riggs" <bri... DeleteThis @surewest.net> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure I would characterize Montjoie as a Eurogame.  I was suprised to
> see Eddy put it on the list as a wargame though.  

It's the Hundred Years War on a very abstracted level - so why not ?

> Is the old AH "Kingmaker" a wargame?  

Debatable - but Montjoie is more of a wargame because of the way
battles are resolved - with reserves committed or not, seaborne
invasions, deciding where (and if) to fortify, deciding when to yield
instead of going all-out, alliances, economic constraints, etc.

It was received quite well and there's an Italian City States /
Renaissance expansion planned.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

On Jan 2, 3:42 pm, "Bartow W. Riggs" <bri....DeleteThis@surewest.net> wrote:

> Regards,
> -von Schmidt
>
> I'm not sure I would characterize Montjoie as a Eurogame.  I was suprised to
> see Eddy put it on the list as a wargame though.  Is the old AH "Kingmaker"
> a wargame?  Nevertheless it is an excellent game and a lot of fun to play,
> with good AI and really fun with a couple of humans and computer players
> intermixed.
>
> That's why it got my vote.

To be clear: I did not mean that description as a put-down at all. I
meant it reminded me of the European boardgames which have taken the
world by storm in recent years (Catan, Carcasonne etc): easy to play,
usually based around cards rather than dice, gaming against your
opponent rather than the system.

I agree that it's not a historical wargame, and should not really be
on the list (nor should the excellent M&B and |EU3).
But since it is, you might as well give it its dues!

Regards,
-von Schmidt

On 2 jan, 16:55, von Schmidt <von_schm... DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote:

>
> I agree that it's not a historical wargame, and should not really be
> on the list (nor should the excellent M&B and |EU3).
> But since it is, you might as well give it its dues!

Well, the list in the OP is just my list, a suggestion, not *the*
list. It was more or less agreed years ago that for the purpose of the
WOTY the definition of a wargame is : "whatever we say is a wargame"
i.e. if a regular in here thinks <game x> is a wargame he can put it
on the list and vote for it.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

On Jan 2, 4:04 pm, "eddyster...@hotmail.com" <eddyster... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2 jan, 16:55, von Schmidt <von_schm... DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I agree that it's not a historical wargame, and should not really be
> > on the list (nor should the excellent M&B and |EU3).
> > But since it is, you might as well give it its dues!
>
> Well, the list in the OP is just my list, a suggestion, not *the*
> list. It was more or less agreed years ago that for the purpose of the
> WOTY the definition of a wargame is : "whatever we say is a wargame"
> i.e. if a regular in here thinks <game x> is a wargame he can put it
> on the list and vote for it.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx

Meh, I am *far* too lazy too go around hunting for 2008 wargames you
might have missed - especially as I suspect you run a proprietary,
intricate wargame application which auto-updates itself from direct
ftp links into publisher's databases.
So I'm happy to use your list as the definitive one.

Despite the occasional lapse such as the inclusion onf Montjoie and
Hexwar

Regards,
-von Schmidt

Eddie, what about the 2 expansion packs for EU3, In Nomine and Napoleon's
Ambition? Assuming they're eligible, 3 points to EU3:IN. I have trouble
against the AI never mind real hoomans.

2 points to War Plan Pacific. Only the demo so far but I'm saving my
pennies. At first glance, everything seems so random (they need to fix the
Allied AI) but, the more I play, the more I slip back to memories of the 80s
and Avalon Hill's VITP. Using that mindset again, eveything starts to fall
into place.

And 1 to ... Hmm, haven't bought much recently. Daughter plays Mount &
Blade but can't say I'm impressed. Looking forward to a few this year
(BftB, Lock'n Load, Supremacy at Sea).

So, no one gets the 1 point.

<eddysterckx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2 jan, 16:55, von Schmidt <von_schm....RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that it's not a historical wargame, and should not really be
>> on the list (nor should the excellent M&B and |EU3).
>> But since it is, you might as well give it its dues!
>
> Well, the list in the OP is just my list, a suggestion, not *the*
> list. It was more or less agreed years ago that for the purpose of the
> WOTY the definition of a wargame is : "whatever we say is a wargame"
> i.e. if a regular in here thinks <game x> is a wargame he can put it
> on the list and vote for it.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx

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Subject: Re: Wargame of the Year 2008 - the election thread


> On 2 jan, 16:55, von Schmidt <von_schm....RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that it's not a historical wargame, and should not really be
>> on the list (nor should the excellent M&B and |EU3).
>> But since it is, you might as well give it its dues!
>
> Well, the list in the OP is just my list, a suggestion, not *the*
> list. It was more or less agreed years ago that for the purpose of the
> WOTY the definition of a wargame is : "whatever we say is a wargame"
> i.e. if a regular in here thinks <game x> is a wargame he can put it
> on the list and vote for it.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx

After all, Montjoie can't be a Eurogame, it's got dice!

Seems to me I bought it in 2007 though, not 2008. I'm not absolutely sure.

Great news about an expansion!

Bartow W. Riggs schrieb:
>> To refresh your memory on what games got published this year :
>>
>> Montjoie
>> Early American Wars : Mexican-American War
>> American Civil War : Antietam
>> Ancient Warfare : Gallic Wars
>> Squad Battles - Winter War
>> Origins of World War 2
>> Panzer Command : Kharkov
>> Clash of Steel II
>> Strategic Command 2 - Patton Drives East
>> HexKit
>> XIII Century
>> Gary Grigsby's War Between the States
>> Birth of America 2 - Wars in America
>> Kharkov : Disaster on the Donets
>> World War 2 - Road to Victory
>> Combat Mission : Shock Force - Marines Module
>> Commander : Napoleon at War
>> Ironclads : American Civil War
>> Close Combat : Wacht am Rhein
>> Squad Battles : The Spanish Civil War
>> Modern Air Power: Air War Over the Mideast
>> World War One : La Grande Guerre 14-18
>> World War II - General Commander - Operation : Watch on the Rhein
>> Strategic Command WWII - Pacific Theater
>> War Plan Pacific
>> Distant Guns : Jutland


1) WPP
2) World War One
3) Jutland (without DRM)


I didnt buy wargames last year, I only tried a few demos. And I will not
buy re releases like CAW. Im waiting for WWII-SAS (as digital download
if possible).
Last month Officers was released in Europe, but its more a RTS than a
wargame. I tried the demo and didnt like it, its a mouse clickfest.


Michael

<eddysterckx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2 jan, 02:03, "Rob P" <robertapoll....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 1. CM Shock Force 1.11 - I know this game got released a while back,
>
> Well, that's the problem really - the "patch x.xx got released *this*
> year, and now the game rocks" is not good enough to make it a 2008
> release. Sorry, but they had their shot for WOTY in 2007.
>
>> 3. Armored Brigade
>
> Although I agree that it's pretty awesome, this game is still in beta
> and is not officially released yet. I can imagine it being a very
> strong candidate for next year's election though.
>
> So, what do I do now ? Give Panzer Command : Kharkov 3 points, or do
> you want to restate your vote ?
>

From me it will have to be Panzer Command: Karkov 3 points! With no second
or third.

Though saying that CM Shock force did have the 'Marines' module released
last year.... does this count?

2008 was a weird year for me in that I spent most of my time playing older
wargames and not buying many new ones. I think this will change in 2009 as
there are a number of wargames due for release which I have been keeping my
eye on!

RobP