Tivo Series 3 - How do I transfer programs to/from my old ..

"Todd" <toddlesharris.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
>back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more pissed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bullshit, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
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Something I do not understand.

You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.

My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
cable card?

Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
those features????

That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
this?

I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???

And yes, if you are right, I am really pissed as well.

I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.

Todd



MegaZone wrote:
> "Todd" <toddlesharris.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
> >Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
> >back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.
>
> You don't say?
>
> Someone didn't do any research.
>
> Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
> deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.
>
> They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
> CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
> CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
> will remain disabled.
>
> TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
> approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
> features will never be enabled.
>
> This is one of the best known facts about the S3.
>
> I'm sure you're even more pissed now that you know the 'two months'
> answer was bullshit, and it may be two months, two years, or never.
>
> -MZ
> --
> <URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
> "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
> <URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris

Ahh,

Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
way CableLabs is involved in this.

Ok, so it is because of HD content.

So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?

Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to
now allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD,
but allow it if the content is non-HD.

I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.

So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.

I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
sucking up electricity....

I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

Todd


Stewart Berman wrote:
> Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
> technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
> used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
> TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.
>
> IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
> before you see it in TiVo.
>
>
> "Todd" <toddlesharris.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Something I do not understand.
> >
> >You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
> >Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.
> >
> >My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
> >cable card?
> >
> >Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
> >those features????
> >
> >That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
> >another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
> >device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
> >this?
> >
> >I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
> >could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
> >remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???
> >
> >And yes, if you are right, I am really pissed as well.
> >
> >I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
> >getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >
> >
> >MegaZone wrote:
> >> "Todd" <toddlesharris.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
> >> >Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
> >> >back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.
> >>
> >> You don't say?
> >>
> >> Someone didn't do any research.
> >>
> >> Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
> >> deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.
> >>
> >> They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
> >> CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
> >> CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
> >> will remain disabled.
> >>
> >> TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
> >> approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
> >> features will never be enabled.
> >>
> >> This is one of the best known facts about the S3.
> >>
> >> I'm sure you're even more pissed now that you know the 'two months'
> >> answer was bullshit, and it may be two months, two years, or never.
> >>
> >> -MZ
> >> --
> >> <URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
> >> "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
> >> <URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris

Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.

IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
before you see it in TiVo.


"Todd" <toddlesharris DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>Something I do not understand.
>
>You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
>Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.
>
>My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
>cable card?
>
>Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
>those features????
>
>That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
>another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
>device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
>this?
>
>I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
>could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
>remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???
>
>And yes, if you are right, I am really pissed as well.
>
>I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
>getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.
>
>Todd
>
>
>
>MegaZone wrote:
>> "Todd" <toddlesharris DeleteThis @yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>> >Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
>> >back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.
>>
>> You don't say?
>>
>> Someone didn't do any research.
>>
>> Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
>> deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.
>>
>> They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
>> CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
>> CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
>> will remain disabled.
>>
>> TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
>> approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
>> features will never be enabled.
>>
>> This is one of the best known facts about the S3.
>>
>> I'm sure you're even more pissed now that you know the 'two months'
>> answer was bullshit, and it may be two months, two years, or never.
>>
>> -MZ
>> --
>> <URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
>> "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
>> <URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:23 -0800, Todd wrote:

> Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
> way CableLabs is involved in this.
>
> Ok, so it is because of HD content.
>
No. HD has nothing to do with it.

> So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?
>
Because of DRM.

> Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
> Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to now
> allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD, but
> allow it if the content is non-HD.
>
But the older boxes don't fall into the same category. They don't replace
the cable box like the S3 does.

> I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
> my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
> did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
> that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
> so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.
>
From the start, Tivos were designed as personal recorders. The file
transfers was just something added. For multi room viewing a client server
based system is the only way to go. That way you can view the show on any
client on the network without transfering the file. It's designed for just
what you want to do. I'm not sure about others, but that what MythTV is.
You can watch anything recorded on any machine. If you have tuners in more
than one machine, you can even use the tuner in one machine to watch Tv on
another machine.

> So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
> activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.
>
My whole network was less than half that. And it works.

> I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
> and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
> sucking up electricity....
>
> I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...
>
It's been known from the start that TTG and MRV was not in the S3's.
You've got no one to be mad at but yourself, or maybe someone that mislead
you. I doubt if you'll ever see either feature approved for release. And
if it is, I'm not sure how long it'll take to transfer HD shows with the
S3's. probably about 7 times longer than an SD show

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Relax Bill,

I am not hysterical. But I suspect if you purchased something for
$2000 and found out later that it did NOT perform the way you expected,
you would be less than thrilled either.

Yes, it is true that I should have done more research on the series 3
before I purchased it, I don't deny this. But Tivo didn't exactly go
out of their way to let potential consumers know that their BRAND NEW
Tivo is going to have LESS options than the current generation...

I don't have an HD TV, and probably won't get one for about a year or
so. The reason I purchased the Tivo 3 now is for two reasons:

1) So I Can transfer my lifetime from the series 2. (This offer expires
at the end of 2006)
2) I can store more shows on the Tivo. 300 hours of SD is pretty good,
considering my series 2 can only hold 120 (I upgraded the drive from
the orig 80 to a 120), but it gets full.

I don't have a lot of time to watch TV, so lots of times if there is a
good TV show I like, sometimes I have half of a entire season on the
Tivo even before I start watching them...

I like to watch shows in the living room, and then just transfer them
up to the bedroom so I can finish it there before I fall asleep.. I
can't do that anymore.

so that is why I said these things are useless to me...

Pretty much I am going to have to duplicate my entire season pass on
both Tivo's, so they are both recording the same things,and then I can
watch my shows on either Tivo. Pretty silly I have to do that...

Todd





Bill Kearney wrote:
> > I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...
>
> Oh please, spare us the hysterics. The unit does work, and does a great job
> recording HD programming.
>
> What is doesn't do is support MRV. But since it supports cablecard it no
> longer has to use an external cable box (and the IR blaster). The downside
> to this is the choke-point of cablecard not supporting MRV and TTG. This is
> indeed a BAD THING.
>
> It seems the content providers have succeeding in depriving us of what
> legislation already allows, FAIR USE. So instead of giving users choice
> they've decided to treat them like criminals. This is indeed not a good
> thing.
>
> But it's far from calling the units a waste.

Todd wrote:
> Ahh,
>
> Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
> way CableLabs is involved in this.
>
> Ok, so it is because of HD content.
>
> So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?
>
> Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
> Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to
> now allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD,
> but allow it if the content is non-HD.
>
> I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
> my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
> did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
> that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
> so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.
>
> So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
> activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.
>
> I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
> and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
> sucking up electricity....
>
> I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...
>
> Todd
>
>
> Stewart Berman wrote:
>> Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
>> technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
>> used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
>> TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.
>>
>> IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
>> before you see it in TiVo.
>>
>>
>> "Todd" <toddlesharris.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Something I do not understand.
>>>
>>> You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
>>> Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.
>>>
>>> My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
>>> cable card?
>>>
>>> Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
>>> those features????
>>>
>>> That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
>>> another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
>>> device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
>>> this?
>>>
>>> I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
>>> could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
>>> remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???
>>>
>>> And yes, if you are right, I am really pissed as well.
>>>
>>> I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
>>> getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MegaZone wrote:
>>>> "Todd" <toddlesharris.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>>>>> Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
>>>>> back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.
>>>> You don't say?
>>>>
>>>> Someone didn't do any research.
>>>>
>>>> Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
>>>> deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.
>>>>
>>>> They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
>>>> CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
>>>> CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
>>>> will remain disabled.
>>>>
>>>> TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
>>>> approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
>>>> features will never be enabled.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of the best known facts about the S3.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you're even more pissed now that you know the 'two months'
>>>> answer was bullshit, and it may be two months, two years, or never.
>>>>
>>>> -MZ
>>>> --
>>>> <URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
>>>> "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
>>>> <URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris
>
Why don't you use them the way they are designed. Record the shows on
the box and watch them on the TV that is hooked to it. Yes being able
to transfer them would be nice but it's not like they are useless.

> I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

Oh please, spare us the hysterics. The unit does work, and does a great job
recording HD programming.

What is doesn't do is support MRV. But since it supports cablecard it no
longer has to use an external cable box (and the IR blaster). The downside
to this is the choke-point of cablecard not supporting MRV and TTG. This is
indeed a BAD THING.

It seems the content providers have succeeding in depriving us of what
legislation already allows, FAIR USE. So instead of giving users choice
they've decided to treat them like criminals. This is indeed not a good
thing.

But it's far from calling the units a waste.

On 2006-12-19, Todd <toddlesharris DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Relax Bill,
>
> I am not hysterical. But I suspect if you purchased something for
> $2000 and found out later that it did NOT perform the way you expected,
> you would be less than thrilled either.
>

$2000 buys a lot of alternative technology.

> Yes, it is true that I should have done more research on the series 3
> before I purchased it, I don't deny this. But Tivo didn't exactly go
> out of their way to let potential consumers know that their BRAND NEW
> Tivo is going to have LESS options than the current generation...
>
> I don't have an HD TV, and probably won't get one for about a year or
> so. The reason I purchased the Tivo 3 now is for two reasons:
>
> 1) So I Can transfer my lifetime from the series 2. (This offer expires
> at the end of 2006)
> 2) I can store more shows on the Tivo. 300 hours of SD is pretty good,
> considering my series 2 can only hold 120 (I upgraded the drive from
> the orig 80 to a 120), but it gets full.

Ya should have just gotten another upgrade drive for the old
system. Drives in the 500G - 750G range are getting cheaper and cheaper
and are often on sale. My next 750G drive will be ~ $300.

[deletia]

The lack of network awareness between S3 Tivos is infact
lame. Being put in a position where they can't transfer stuff
between their own units is a bit too much. It's one thing to
interfere with the TTG stuff but interfering with the distributed
Tivo idea is a tad egregious.

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Now I'm getting confused.

I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)

What if the S3 allows TTG for shows that were recorded unencryptedly,
and argue about the encrypted shows tomorrow.

Would that satisfy CableLabs?



Wes Newell wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:23 -0800, Todd wrote:
>
>> Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
>> way CableLabs is involved in this.
>>
>> Ok, so it is because of HD content.
>>
> No. HD has nothing to do with it.
>
>> So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?
>>
> Because of DRM.
>
>> Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
>> Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to now
>> allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD, but
>> allow it if the content is non-HD.
>>
> But the older boxes don't fall into the same category. They don't replace
> the cable box like the S3 does.
>
>> I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
>> my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
>> did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
>> that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
>> so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.
>>
> From the start, Tivos were designed as personal recorders. The file
> transfers was just something added. For multi room viewing a client server
> based system is the only way to go. That way you can view the show on any
> client on the network without transfering the file. It's designed for just
> what you want to do. I'm not sure about others, but that what MythTV is.
> You can watch anything recorded on any machine. If you have tuners in more
> than one machine, you can even use the tuner in one machine to watch Tv on
> another machine.
>
>> So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
>> activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.
>>
> My whole network was less than half that. And it works.
>
>> I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
>> and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
>> sucking up electricity....
>>
>> I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...
>>
> It's been known from the start that TTG and MRV was not in the S3's.
> You've got no one to be mad at but yourself, or maybe someone that mislead
> you. I doubt if you'll ever see either feature approved for release. And
> if it is, I'm not sure how long it'll take to transfer HD shows with the
> S3's. probably about 7 times longer than an SD show
>


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"Bruce" <n6aoz RemoveThis @arrl.net> wrote in message
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> Now I'm getting confused.

Don't be. Wes is wildly inaccurate in everything he posts. Put him in your
Blocked Senders list and avoid his posts entirely.

> I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
> channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
> into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)

No, but that's not the whole issue. The cards handle both encryption and
tuning.

> What if the S3 allows TTG for shows that were recorded unencryptedly,
> and argue about the encrypted shows tomorrow.
>
> Would that satisfy CableLabs?

Pfft, they're only going to listen when fair use legislation forces them.

On 2006-12-19, Bill Kearney <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:
>
> "Bruce" <n6aoz.DeleteThis@arrl.net> wrote in message
> news:vNUhh.1235$X72.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Now I'm getting confused.
>
> Don't be. Wes is wildly inaccurate in everything he posts. Put him in your
> Blocked Senders list and avoid his posts entirely.
>
>> I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
>> channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
>> into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)
>
> No, but that's not the whole issue. The cards handle both encryption and
> tuning.

No, it pretty much is. The only reason you would ever need a
cablecard is because the content needs decrypted. There isn't much to
"tuning" the content and such cards have been available for PCs for
pretty much as long as there has been cable or OTA content to tune into.

[deletia]

Cablecard: a provider lockin methodology posing as open technology.

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Once upon a time, Bruce <n6aoz.RemoveThis@arrl.net> said:
>I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
>channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
>into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)

No. Cable channel encryption and HD are not directly related.

What is called "digital" cable is typically encrypted (typically
channels above 125 on the tuner). The original "analog" cable channels
(2-125 IIRC) are in the clear and can be received by any cable-ready
receiver, but the digital channels require a decoder. One way of
decoding them is to use a CableCard tuner and authorized CableCard.

Since HD is typically only included as part of a digital cable package,
and since HD is digital by definition, most HD channels are encrypted
and require a CableCard to receive.

However, at least in some areas, local network HD channels (that can be
received over the air as well) are carried in the clear. These can be
received by any QAM tuner without a CableCard. I _think_ this is
mandated by the FCC, but I'm not sure.

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Chris Adams <cmadams.RemoveThis@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.