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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:18 am
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Wonder if this will result in Tivo gaining rights to use some of RTV's
patents?

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By Franklin Paul Wed Sep 3, 10:30 AM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - TiVo Inc (TIVO.O) is developing a new digital video
recorder for satellite TV provider DirecTV (DTV.O), rekindling a
strained relationship and potentially opening the door to boosting the
number of its subscribers.

TiVo shares climbed more than 2 percent on Wednesday after the companies
said that they had extended their current deal and added the
development, marketing and distribution of a new high-definition DirecTV
DVR featuring TiVo service. The product's launch is expected in the
second half of 2009.

Terms of the deal, which also includes an extension of intellectual
property arrangements, were not disclosed. But in a federal filing, TiVo
said DirecTV will pay a substantially higher monthly fee for households
using the new high definition DirecTV DVRs than it does for previously
deployed models.

In addition, fees paid by DirecTV are subject to monthly minimums that
escalate during the term of the pact starting in 2010 and those minimum
payments are "substantially higher" than in the prior agreement, TiVo said.

DirecTV was once the biggest source of new subscribers to TiVo's
television recording service. But their relationship soured in 2005 when
DirecTV, the top U.S. satellite TV broadcaster, said it would no longer
market TiVo's set-top boxes and would use its own system made by NDS
Group Plc (NNDS.O).

However, the companies did not sever their ties. In 2006, they extended
their service and support agreement for three years, allowing customers
to continue to receive maintenance and support for their TiVos.

Many of the satellite operator's more than 16 million users still own
TiVo set-top boxes, but their numbers have been dwindling.

At the end of the second quarter, TiVo had a total of 3.6 million
subscribers. Of that 1.7 million were "TiVo-owned" -- users who pay a
monthly fee directly to the company.

TiVo will work with DirecTV to make a DVR product for customers with
high-speed Internet service that will support both companies' latest
features.

"This new deal should minimize the DTV attrition headwind TiVo has felt
as DTV's subs have moved to HD (where there is no TiVo offering today),"
said Citigroup analyst Tony Wible in a note to clients. "Overall, the
new deal should help protect the roughly $22 million of high margin
revenue TiVo receives from DirecTV today."

The new agreement runs through February 2015, with DirecTV having the
right to extend it until February 2018, TiVo said.

DirecTV will continue to develop and offer its own set-top boxes for
both new and existing customers.

Shares of TiVo rose 32 cents to $8.83 in morning trade on the Nasdaq on
Wednesday. DirecTV shares edged up 17 cents to $27.79.

(Reporting by Franklin Paul; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn and Steve Orlofsky)
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:32 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:43 am
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gfretwell.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:18:50 -0400, Who Needs Fenders?
> <yea.right.TakeThisOut@ncih.borg> wrote:
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>> Wonder if this will result in Tivo gaining rights to use some of RTV's
>> patents?
>
> I bet they won't be using the good one, commercial advance.

Yea--TiVo won't want to pique the ayer of the broadcasters the way RTV
did...

It would be nice if TiVo could build in some RTV interoperability (e.g.
be able to play shows from RTV boxes). Then it would be easier to
transition as older RTV hardware starts to die...
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:11 pm
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gfretwell.DeleteThis@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:43:01 -0400, Who Needs Fenders?
> <yea.right.DeleteThis@ncih.borg> wrote:
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>> Then it would be easier to
>> transition as older RTV hardware starts to die.
> From what I can tell here the main thing that dies is the drive and
> that seems pretty easy to replace. They lose a modem now and then but
> I bet that is just because people don't understand surge protection.

I had a 5540 die two years ago (NIC) and a second die in early August
(unknown--just went into perpetual reboot--even tried a drive from the
shelved unit that died 2 years ago and it worked for one night, then
started reboots).

I know--Mikey's got all the hardware I need to fix 'em, but, it was
cheaper to buy a replacement (got a 5040 [bored out to 250gb] and a 5504
for $125 shipped--shelved the 5504 as a spare). But Mikey will only be
around so long... eventually (gulp), we may need to move along
(especially if things like Verison FIOS's "whole house DVR" matures or
Comcast's "remote DVR" become reality).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:44 am
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Who Needs Fenders? <yea.right.DeleteThis@ncih.borg> shaped the electrons to say:
>Wonder if this will result in Tivo gaining rights to use some of RTV's
>patents?

TiVo and RTV sued each other years ago and then settled out of court,
allowing each other to use their patents.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:45 am
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gfretwell.RemoveThis@aol.com shaped the electrons to say:
>I bet they won't be using the good one, commercial advance.

RTV had a patent on that? There was a lot of prior art - there were
VCRs with automatic commercial skipping.

-MZ
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:48 am
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Who Needs Fenders? <yea.right.DeleteThis@ncih.borg> shaped the electrons to say:
>It would be nice if TiVo could build in some RTV interoperability (e.g.
>be able to play shows from RTV boxes). Then it would be easier to
>transition as older RTV hardware starts to die...

Unlikely - DirecTV didn't have any interest in the RTV software nor
the service. It was all about the IP & patents. They didn't do
anyting with the actual RTV products and never intended to. They
didn't even acquire the customers & service, that remained with DNNA
to support existing users.

Considering how tiny the remaining RTV user base is, the costs of
implementing interoperability aren't worth it.

You could probably dump the shows from the RTV to a PC using
DVArchive and then you can transfer them to a TiVo if you really
wanted to, for playback there.

-MZ
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:09 pm
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Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
> gfretwell.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:43:01 -0400, Who Needs Fenders?
>> <yea.right.TakeThisOut@ncih.borg> wrote:
>>
>>> Then it would be easier to transition as older RTV hardware starts to
>>> die.
>> From what I can tell here the main thing that dies is the drive and
>> that seems pretty easy to replace. They lose a modem now and then but
>> I bet that is just because people don't understand surge protection.
>
> I had a 5540 die two years ago (NIC) and a second die in early August
> (unknown--just went into perpetual reboot--even tried a drive from the
> shelved unit that died 2 years ago and it worked for one night, then
> started reboots).
>
> I know--Mikey's got all the hardware I need to fix 'em, but, it was
> cheaper to buy a replacement (got a 5040 [bored out to 250gb] and a 5504
> for $125 shipped--shelved the 5504 as a spare). But Mikey will only be
> around so long... eventually (gulp), we may need to move along
> (especially if things like Verison FIOS's "whole house DVR" matures or
> Comcast's "remote DVR" become reality).
>
Any body above the level of idiot can fix a Replay. It wouldn't matter a
bit if Mikey stopped tomorrow.
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