Spirit Bond, worth it?

On Apr 5, 10:46 am, John Salerno <johnj... RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
> cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to
> have a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal
> your pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem
> covered.

John,

I'm running Spirit Bond 2/2. Currently, I'm healing my pet for about
140 HP per 10 seconds. Not a huge amount given my pet's total
health. Pet's feeding a similar number back to me.

Why I like it: It works in combat. So, in battle against a single
mob, I go in debuffing them by 14 DPS (140HP/10 sec). For a mob
hitting at 200 DPS, that's a 7% damage reduction. If Spirit Bond read
"Gain a passive debuff on all mobs that reduces their damage by 7%"
would you be as hesitant to pick it up?

Jason

"John Salerno" <johnjsal.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
> cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to have
> a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal your
> pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem covered.

I don't use it myself, I found the talent points more useful elsewhere. And
I'm a BM hunter.

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:46:44 -0400, John Salerno <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
>cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to
>have a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal
>your pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem
>covered.

To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm BM, and I have it, but it doesn't really
give me a whole lot of health... maybe it'll get better when I get to a
higher level and have higher health but currently I'm wondering if I should
respec and move those points elsewhere.
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Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 50)

Catriona R wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:46:44 -0400, John Salerno <johnjsal RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
>> cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to
>> have a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal
>> your pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem
>> covered.
>
> To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm BM, and I have it, but it doesn't really
> give me a whole lot of health... maybe it'll get better when I get to a
> higher level and have higher health but currently I'm wondering if I should
> respec and move those points elsewhere.

Yeah, even with, for example, 4000 HP, you would only get 80 every 10
seconds. Just doesn't seem like a lot.

By the way, I tried searching for your hunter on the Armory but it says
it hasn't been active in a while, so I couldn't see any information. But
also it shows a Troll hunter at level 31, so maybe I got the wrong one.

John Salerno wrote:

>> To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm BM, and I have it, but it doesn't really
>> give me a whole lot of health... maybe it'll get better when I get to a
>> higher level and have higher health but currently I'm wondering if I
>> should
>> respec and move those points elsewhere.
>
> Yeah, even with, for example, 4000 HP, you would only get 80 every 10
> seconds. Just doesn't seem like a lot.

I think my new plan is this: next point goes to Imp AotH to finish it
up. Then I'll need one more point elsewhere before I can get Serpent's
Swiftness. The choice is between Ferocious Inspiration and Catlike
Reflexes. I figure eventually I'll max them both out (because
surprisingly I seem to run out of talents to put points into toward the
end), but for now I'm trying to decide. Reflexes seems more consistently
beneficial in that it's always active, whereas FI is just after a pet
critical hit. Furthermore, the increase in damage done by FI is almost
nothing, but the 9% chance for your pet to dodge is great.

I think I'll go with Reflexes first. Maybe I'll come back to Spirit Bond
later.

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:12:54 -0400, John Salerno <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Catriona R wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:46:44 -0400, John Salerno <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
>>> cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to
>>> have a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal
>>> your pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem
>>> covered.
>>
>> To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm BM, and I have it, but it doesn't really
>> give me a whole lot of health... maybe it'll get better when I get to a
>> higher level and have higher health but currently I'm wondering if I should
>> respec and move those points elsewhere.
>
>Yeah, even with, for example, 4000 HP, you would only get 80 every 10
>seconds. Just doesn't seem like a lot.

Yep, I get about 60 currently, my bear does better but I dunno that it's
enough to be worth it.

>By the way, I tried searching for your hunter on the Armory but it says
>it hasn't been active in a while, so I couldn't see any information. But
>also it shows a Troll hunter at level 31, so maybe I got the wrong one.

Hmm, seems to work for me -
http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Sealgair -
though it's rather out of date, I've been 60 for about 3 weeks and it still
has me as 59!
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Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 50)

Jason Tinling wrote:

> I'm running Spirit Bond 2/2. Currently, I'm healing my pet for about
> 140 HP per 10 seconds. Not a huge amount given my pet's total
> health. Pet's feeding a similar number back to me.

If your pet has 7000 HP, you must be high level right? Maybe Spirit Bond
is more valuable at that stage.

> Why I like it: It works in combat. So, in battle against a single
> mob, I go in debuffing them by 14 DPS (140HP/10 sec). For a mob
> hitting at 200 DPS, that's a 7% damage reduction. If Spirit Bond read
> "Gain a passive debuff on all mobs that reduces their damage by 7%"
> would you be as hesitant to pick it up?

I don't know if that's an equivalent situation, but even so, does that
first take into account the damage reduction of your pet's armor?
Because after that, the "damage reduction" of Spirit Bond is probably
much less.

John Salerno wrote:
> Jason Tinling wrote:
>
>> I'm running Spirit Bond 2/2. Currently, I'm healing my pet for about
>> 140 HP per 10 seconds. Not a huge amount given my pet's total
>> health. Pet's feeding a similar number back to me.
>
> If your pet has 7000 HP, you must be high level right? Maybe Spirit Bond
> is more valuable at that stage.
>
>> Why I like it: It works in combat. So, in battle against a single
>> mob, I go in debuffing them by 14 DPS (140HP/10 sec). For a mob
>> hitting at 200 DPS, that's a 7% damage reduction. If Spirit Bond read
>> "Gain a passive debuff on all mobs that reduces their damage by 7%"
>> would you be as hesitant to pick it up?
>
> I don't know if that's an equivalent situation, but even so, does that
> first take into account the damage reduction of your pet's armor?
> Because after that, the "damage reduction" of Spirit Bond is probably
> much less.

P.S. This also assumes that a battle will last longer than 10 seconds,
and significantly long enough to make this worthwhile.

John Salerno wrote:
> Is Spirit Bond really worth the points for BM hunters? It seems really
> cool and something most BM hunters take, but really, does it help to
> have a little extra health regen every 10 seconds? You can already heal
> your pet anyway, and if you have First Aid for yourself then you seem
> covered.

Follow up: is Go For The Throat worth investing in the MM tree? I
already plan to do Lethal Shots, and I figure if I want Throat, I could
also do Efficiency.

On Apr 6, 6:42 pm, deathsab....RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au (Ashen Shugar) wrote:
> I've got my damage meter set to itemise everything, and after a Mana
> Tombs run I think it was, something like 75% of the healing that the
> hunter took was from Spirit Bond I believe. Don't recall if that had
> merged his pets data in with his though.

I could be misleading though, since a lot of that healing
is wasted or wasteful. The Spirit Bond will heal even
if the pet is down 100hp only, small enough that no one
would bother to heal it. Any amount that normal sitting
around and waiting would heal gets covered by Spirit Bond
too. Any increase in stamina that increases HP can cause
Spirit Bond to tick (such as getting a fortitude spell
from a priest).

--
Darin Johnson

I think it was John Salerno <johnjsal DeleteThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> that wrote
something like...

>John Salerno wrote:
>> Jason Tinling wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running Spirit Bond 2/2. Currently, I'm healing my pet for about
>>> 140 HP per 10 seconds. Not a huge amount given my pet's total
>>> health. Pet's feeding a similar number back to me.
>>
>> If your pet has 7000 HP, you must be high level right? Maybe Spirit Bond
>> is more valuable at that stage.
>>
>>> Why I like it: It works in combat. So, in battle against a single
>>> mob, I go in debuffing them by 14 DPS (140HP/10 sec). For a mob
>>> hitting at 200 DPS, that's a 7% damage reduction. If Spirit Bond read
>>> "Gain a passive debuff on all mobs that reduces their damage by 7%"
>>> would you be as hesitant to pick it up?
>>
>> I don't know if that's an equivalent situation, but even so, does that
>> first take into account the damage reduction of your pet's armor?
>> Because after that, the "damage reduction" of Spirit Bond is probably
>> much less.
>
>P.S. This also assumes that a battle will last longer than 10 seconds,
>and significantly long enough to make this worthwhile.

I've got my damage meter set to itemise everything, and after a Mana
Tombs run I think it was, something like 75% of the healing that the
hunter took was from Spirit Bond I believe. Don't recall if that had
merged his pets data in with his though.

Ashen Shugar
--
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The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:34:18 -0400, John Salerno wrote:
> John Salerno wrote:
>
> >> To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm BM, and I have it, but it doesn't really
> >> give me a whole lot of health... maybe it'll get better when I get to a
> >> higher level and have higher health but currently I'm wondering if I
> >> should
> >> respec and move those points elsewhere.
> >
> > Yeah, even with, for example, 4000 HP, you would only get 80 every 10
> > seconds. Just doesn't seem like a lot.

It isn't a whole lot but it does help to keep downtime a bit shorter. When
pet health, my health or my mana (or all three) reach some low point, I
would heal up the pet to 3/4 and while I drink up on mana, the pet and my
health finish regenerating to full thanks to spirit bond.

> end), but for now I'm trying to decide. Reflexes seems more consistently
> beneficial in that it's always active, whereas FI is just after a pet
> critical hit.

By the time you are at 70, you and your pet will consistently crit several
times in any fight. My pet is in FI for more than 50% of any fight on
average. Also, I usually get 2-4 "kill command" procs of my ranged crits
during a fight.

Cheers
Urbin

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On Apr 6, 7:15 am, John Salerno <johnj... RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> If your pet has 7000 HP, you must be high level right? Maybe Spirit Bond
> is more valuable at that stage.

Currently at 68, and I had my numbers mixed. My healing is around
140, pet's is around 110.
>

> I don't know if that's an equivalent situation, but even so, does that
> first take into account the damage reduction of your pet's armor?
> Because after that, the "damage reduction" of Spirit Bond is probably
> much less.

Actually, if you reduce the damage the mob is doing via pet armor, the
benefit from spirit bond is greater.

*Mob at 200 DPS, reduced by 11DPS = 5.5% reduction
*Mob at 200 DPS, armor mitgation reduces to 150 DPS, reduced by 11 DPS
= 7.3% reduction

*All numbers are S.W.A.G.

Jason