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ksdj1

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:54 pm
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On Jan 30, 10:00 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 7:04 am, ks....RemoveThis@4email.net wrote:
>
> > Go
> > tell Valve and the millions of people that we've all been playing a
> > game full of evil kitties and not zombies, and that we're all wrong.
> > Even the lead L4D senior programmer Mike Booth at Valve calls L4D
> > a ..'survival horror' game with "zombies". ..hmmm go figure I guess
> > were all wrong Almighty.
>
> As it turns out...
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The "Infected" (voiced by experimental musician, Mike Patton) are the
> Survivors' foes in Left 4 Dead, and they appear to be partly inspired
> by the infected from several modern films, including 28 Days Later. An
> important distinction is that The Infected are not traditional undead
> zombies, but rather living humans infected with a rabies-like
> pathogen."
>
> a) Mike Patton rocks. Big Faith No More fan here.
>
> b) 28 Days Later does not have any zombies in it.
>
> We all know Wikipedia isn't the last bastion of truth and accuracy out
> there, but they did include a quote from Mike Booth:
>
> "Even though we obviously pushed well beyond the realm of
> believability with many of our "boss" Infected, the core idea of a
> mind-destroying, civilization-collapsing pathogen is more horrifying
> to me than magically animated corpses, precisely because it is
> plausible. Rabies is a good example of a pathogen that can turn a
> loyal, friendly, protective family pet into a slavering attack
> machine. It's a virus that reprograms the behaviors of a complex
> animal–a mammal, in fact. What if something similar happened to
> humans? Left 4 Dead is one possible answer."
>
> In other words, according to Left 4 Dead senior programmer Mike Booth,
> the enemies in the game are indeed *not* zombies because zombies
> apparently don't scare him.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Now where did I put that evil kitty?

Wikipedia? LOL...really ? heh......who wrote that article a 5 year
old ? Or a fanboy? Either way it's partly correct and filled with more
opinion than actual data. . There not 'Traditional' zombies but they
are zombies. They don't ALWAYS move slowly but they do move slow at
many instances. The cause of infection is still unknown. You notice
the article is making an ASSUMPTION by using the sentence "They APPEAR
to be PARTLY inspired by the infected from several moderns films.....


But if you read an interview with Mike Booth he clearly states he left
out the details of the cause of infection , the above wiki statement
you posted is an assumption or theory on the actual cause of the
infection.....

Here's a quote from Mike Booth himself. with no Wiki-Like
corruption....

"We made an intentional choice to keep the infection itself kinda
vague.We certainly don't wanna go the route of "Some evil government
scientist lab created this terrible virus that destroyed mankind."
We're leaving it nebulous. It may be one of the forces of nature that
happen from time to time. If this kind of thing really happened, you
wouldn't know what was going on. The TV doesn't work. There's no
press. The police are gone. It's just you and a couple of people and
you've got to survive- so figure it out, buddy (laughs)--Mike Booth
VALVE senior programmer/designer (source game informer #190)
Left4Dead multiplayer zombie masterpiece.


On page 40 , issue # 190 , the title reads "multiplayer zombie
masterpiece Left 4 Dead" .

Mike Booth --"Suvival Horror Experience"

Zombie is a zombie IMO and Left4Dead is a zombie multiplayer game..now
let me go add that to the Wiki site..heh..or maybe I'll add kittens
and it will be official as we all know Wikipedia is never full of
corrupted posts. heh
As you always say ..er..uhm...let me quote the Almighty..............
"Try again"
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ksdj1

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:29 pm
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On Jan 30, 10:00 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Even though we obviously pushed well beyond the realm of
> believability with many of our "boss" Infected, the core idea of a
> mind-destroying, civilization-collapsing pathogen is more horrifying
> to me than magically animated corpses, precisely because it is
> plausible. Rabies is a good example of a pathogen that can turn a
> loyal, friendly, protective family pet into a slavering attack
> machine. It's a virus that reprograms the behaviors of a complex
> animal–a mammal, in fact. What if something similar happened to
> humans? Left 4 Dead is one possible answer."
>
> In other words, according to Left 4 Dead senior programmer Mike Booth,
> the enemies in the game are indeed *not* zombies because zombies
> apparently don't scare him.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Now where did I put that evil kitty?

Mike Booth doesn't say they're not zombies he's simply comparing real
world viruses like rabies by saying it's plausible by bringing rabies
into the equation, something very real and does have the effects of
making a mammal 'crazed' like a rabid foaming at the mouth rabies
infected pit bull. Mike Booth is just comparing what is plausible and
what is completely fictionalized like the BOSS infected which don't
fit the traditional zombie-like infected.

But the run-of-mill Horde zombies (not the bosses) certainly fit
within the description of zombie.

Again you add words to people's mouths , and make your own
assumptions. Mike Booth didn't say they weren't zombies and he didn't
say they don't scare him. That was your own misguided understanding as
usual.

"In other words" Your wrong
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:11 pm
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> Who makes the rules on what makes a zombie??? Its fiction after all.
> This notion that only real zombies can move slow is ridiculous.

Well, as George Romero himself said...of course zombies can`t run. Their
ankles would break.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:03 am
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On Jan 30, 5:54 pm, ks....DeleteThis@4email.net wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:00 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 7:04 am, ks....DeleteThis@4email.net wrote:
>
> > > Go
> > > tell Valve and the millions of people that we've all been playing a
> > > game full of evil kitties and not zombies, and that we're all wrong.
> > > Even the lead L4D senior programmer Mike Booth at Valve calls L4D
> > > a ..'survival horror' game with "zombies". ..hmmm go figure I guess
> > > were all wrong Almighty.
>
> > As it turns out...
>
> > From Wikipedia:
>
> > "The "Infected" (voiced by experimental musician, Mike Patton) are the
> > Survivors' foes in Left 4 Dead, and they appear to be partly inspired
> > by the infected from several modern films, including 28 Days Later. An
> > important distinction is that The Infected are not traditional undead
> > zombies, but rather living humans infected with a rabies-like
> > pathogen."
>
> > a) Mike Patton rocks. Big Faith No More fan here.
>
> > b) 28 Days Later does not have any zombies in it.
>
> > We all know Wikipedia isn't the last bastion of truth and accuracy out
> > there, but they did include a quote from Mike Booth:
>
> > "Even though we obviously pushed well beyond the realm of
> > believability with many of our "boss" Infected, the core idea of a
> > mind-destroying, civilization-collapsing pathogen is more horrifying
> > to me than magically animated corpses, precisely because it is
> > plausible. Rabies is a good example of a pathogen that can turn a
> > loyal, friendly, protective family pet into a slavering attack
> > machine. It's a virus that reprograms the behaviors of a complex
> > animal–a mammal, in fact. What if something similar happened to
> > humans? Left 4 Dead is one possible answer."
>
> > In other words, according to Left 4 Dead senior programmer Mike Booth,
> > the enemies in the game are indeed *not* zombies because zombies
> > apparently don't scare him.
>
> > Go figure.
>
> > Now where did I put that evil kitty?
>
> Wikipedia? LOL...really ? heh......who wrote that article a 5 year
> old ? Or a fanboy? Either way it's partly correct and filled with more
> opinion than actual data.

Actual data about zombies?? Confused

In any case, as I said, Wikipedia isn't the last bastion of truth and
accuracy which is why I specifically mentioned the quote from the guy
you yourself referenced where he explicitly stated that the enemies
are *NOT* zombies. Zombies by definition are reanimated corpses
whereas the enemies you fight in the game are people who have been
infected by, well, whatever the hell it is.

> There not 'Traditional' zombies but they
> are zombies. They don't ALWAYS move slowly but they do move slow at
> many instances.  The cause of infection is still unknown. You notice
> the article is making an ASSUMPTION by using the sentence "They APPEAR
> to be PARTLY inspired by the infected from several moderns films.....
>
> But if you read an interview with Mike Booth he clearly states he left
> out the details of the cause of infection , the above wiki statement
> you posted  is an assumption or theory on the actual cause of the
> infection.....
>
> Here's a quote from Mike Booth himself. with no Wiki-Like
> corruption....
>
> "We made an intentional choice to keep the infection itself kinda
> vague.We certainly don't wanna go the route of "Some evil government
> scientist lab created this terrible virus that destroyed mankind."
> We're leaving it nebulous. It may be one of the forces of nature that
> happen from time to time. If this kind of thing really happened, you
> wouldn't know what was going on. The TV doesn't work. There's no
> press. The police are gone. It's just you and a couple of people and
> you've got to survive- so figure it out, buddy (laughs)--Mike Booth
> VALVE senior programmer/designer (source game informer #190)
> Left4Dead multiplayer zombie masterpiece.

You do realize, of course, that nowhere in that quote does Mr. Booth
refer to the enemies as zombies. In fact, he's stated that he
intentionally refers to them as "The Infected" and *NOT* as zombies
because they are *NOT* reanimated corpses, which, regardless of
characteristics like speed, is the very definition of a zombie. The
enemies are not dead people brought back to life - they're people who
were infected with *something* that's turned them into these things.

> On page 40 , issue # 190 , the title reads "multiplayer zombie
> masterpiece Left 4 Dead" .

That title is just as much opinion and speculation as anything on
Wikipedia that wasn't a straight quote from Mr. Booth.

> Mike Booth --"Suvival Horror Experience"
>
> Zombie is a zombie IMO and Left4Dead is a zombie multiplayer game..now
> let me go add that to the Wiki site..heh..or maybe I'll add kittens
> and it will be official as we all know Wikipedia is never full of
> corrupted posts. heh
> As you always say ..er..uhm...let me quote the Almighty..............
> "Try again"

That's funny - I was just about to say the same thing to you. I'll
respond again once you actually debunk Mr. Booth *NEVER* saying, at
least not in the Wikipedia quote or in the quote you referenced as the
support of your stance, that the enemies were zombies. That they are
zombies is your own opinion and speculation, completely unsupported by
*ANYTHING* that is, as you like to say, "fact" or "data" from the
senior programmer/designer of the game.
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