Preparing for Zul'Gurub

chocolatemalt <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> writes:
>Can you avoid the chain lightning just with this trick? 10 melee right
>on him, everyone else at max distance?

Yup. The lightning can't jump to players at max distance, so he doesn't
even try it (or he might try but it fizzles, not sure). It becomes a
complete non-factor if you di it that way.

>Our method is to use massive mana drain in the first stage of the fight,
>usually with a hunter's sting and warlocks but priests can do the trick
>as well if we are warlock-deprived.

Mana drain seems to make some of the special attacks throughout the
instance less common, but it doesn't stop them. We've drained the bat boss
down to zero and kept her there, but she still tries to do heals in caster
form, and succeeds if she doesn't get a boot to the head. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.

In article <12d1vhqb7ris81f DeleteThis @news.supernews.com>,
pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:

> chocolatemalt <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> writes:
> >Can you avoid the chain lightning just with this trick? 10 melee right
> >on him, everyone else at max distance?
>
> Yup. The lightning can't jump to players at max distance, so he doesn't
> even try it (or he might try but it fizzles, not sure). It becomes a
> complete non-factor if you di it that way.

Good to know... might be worth trying to get the guild to do that, but
on the other hand we have the mana drain trick down pat and it's pretty
foolproof. It may be impossible to change habits.

> >Our method is to use massive mana drain in the first stage of the fight,
> >usually with a hunter's sting and warlocks but priests can do the trick
> >as well if we are warlock-deprived.
>
> Mana drain seems to make some of the special attacks throughout the
> instance less common, but it doesn't stop them. We've drained the bat boss
> down to zero and kept her there, but she still tries to do heals in caster
> form, and succeeds if she doesn't get a boot to the head. *

Yep, the snake boss is the only one we try that on.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:41:57 -0700, Brian <brianmcadam RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:

>The only people that really benefit from NR gear in ZG are melee dps.
>Rogues and off-warriors. Snake does a massive nature aoe, and Spider does
>a poison-bolt volley.

Yeah, if I had any nature res I think I'd do well to wear it in ZG but I
don't and I'm not really sure where to get it; yeah there's stuff people
use for AQ but most of that's stamina and nature res only without any stats
and I'm low enough on damage done without wearing worse gear. Given that I
almost never actually die from nature damage I'm just doing without res for
now!
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 54)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 43)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 36)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 33)

"Ville-Matti Kiili" <ville-matti.TakeThisOut@kiieispammia.li.invalid> wrote in message
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> My guild is going to do the first Zul'Gurub run quite soon. Some of the
> guild
> members have experience about ZG, some don't. I'm thinking about it, but
> I'm not sure if I'm ready for it yet.
>
> What kind of equipment is recommended for ZG? My lvl 60 troll hunter has
> some
> green stuff and some blue stuff. I've heard that nature resistance is
> important,
> but I don't have any nature resistance equipment yet. One of my pets
> has nature resistance 60. Of course I can use aspect of the wild if
> needed.
>
> What about instance, it is mostly outdoor instance and thus easier for a
> hunter
> than some other instances, I guess?

ZG is 90% execution and 10% gear. As ranged you dont need to worry much
about resists.
As someone else said. read up about the fights and understand them

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:47:14 -0600, chocolatemalt
<chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote:

>I think the reason is Vent. If you have everyone following the game
>plan and reacting to changes smoothly, ZG is fairly easy.
>
>We still have a few guild members without it, and sometimes it's due to
>a low-RAM computer or a flaky 56k dialup link, but it's usually just
>laziness or someone being antisocial. I can understand personal
>preference, but the other side of the issue is that 19 or 39 other
>people are also spending a few hours of their time in the raid and are
>depending on your performance to avoid it being a wipefest and waste of
>their time. As such I think it's reasonable to require Vent and to
>invite only those guildies that are using it.

Seems a little unfair on those people who don't use it - I'd be more than a
little pissed off if I was excluded from things just because I don't like
voice comms. I've tried them in the past and found that I can *either*
listen to whats being said *or* concentrate on what I'm doing, not both,
and concentrating on what I'm doing is a lot more use than screwing up
because I'm trying to listen to what's being said.
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EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 54)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 43)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 36)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 33)

In article <n5s1d250bu1bd52ctfosl4rvtuchlie5m8.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Catriona R <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:47:14 -0600, chocolatemalt
> <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I think the reason is Vent. If you have everyone following the game
> >plan and reacting to changes smoothly, ZG is fairly easy.
> >
> >We still have a few guild members without it, and sometimes it's due to
> >a low-RAM computer or a flaky 56k dialup link, but it's usually just
> >laziness or someone being antisocial. I can understand personal
> >preference, but the other side of the issue is that 19 or 39 other
> >people are also spending a few hours of their time in the raid and are
> >depending on your performance to avoid it being a wipefest and waste of
> >their time. As such I think it's reasonable to require Vent and to
> >invite only those guildies that are using it.
>
> Seems a little unfair on those people who don't use it - I'd be more than a
> little pissed off if I was excluded from things just because I don't like
> voice comms. I've tried them in the past and found that I can *either*
> listen to whats being said *or* concentrate on what I'm doing, not both,
> and concentrating on what I'm doing is a lot more use than screwing up
> because I'm trying to listen to what's being said.

Might seem unfair to the excluded, but it may feel the same way to a
mage who never waits for sunders and gloms aggro/heals in every battle,
or who can't be bothered to "waste" mana on conjuring water for anyone,
or to a pally who never buffs or heals and contributes 50 dps to the
fights, etc etc. They don't get invited back for another raid, and they
complain in guild chat about how unfair it is. In the end it's a
question of performance.

Some Vent examples:

Raid leader: Melee back off NOW and get in the poison cloud! (Hakkar)
Raid leader: Need rogues to switch to the Iron Guard with the diamond,
it's attacking a priest and the MT's are busy/dead! (UBRS or anywhere
else)

Usually a good player can get away with just pre-fight chat and some
intelligence about their role during the fight, but I've been in far too
many groups in UBRS and beyond where the couple of people not in Vent
really screw things up. This is extremely obvious to those of us that
are listening in. Sometimes they do stupid stuff that you have to
abort, and typing long instructions in chat during a fight is just not
possible unless you're dead. But more often you need to tell someone to
pick up a loose mob, or get away from a door with adds right inside, or
etc etc, and those who can't be bothered to join the rest of us in Vent
dramatically decrease their value.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:41:57 -0700, Brian <brianmcadam DeleteThis @pobox.com>
wrote:

>Tiger is almost pure melee. Lor'khan does some chain lightning or
>something, I think.

Lightning Shield (same as shamans) - dispell it off of him.

>Panther is pretty much pure melee. She's got a mind flay or something
>that's forgettable.

It is Shadow Word: Pain and it actually does 300-500 (?) every 3
seconds, but it is easy to dispell.

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Regards
Simon Nejmann

On 2 Aug 2006 07:54:50 -0700, "crazyfalnger" <crazyflanger DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>-Trash mob: Bat rider(elite) with 4 bats. Make sure you have a tank
>grab the bat rider while the rest kill off the regular bats. After they
>are down you can dps the Bat rider. At 25% health the bat rider will
>burst into flames and blow up. This causes over 2k damage, I think even
>up to 6k. So at about 50% health have all melee except tank run away
>from bat. Keep tank shielded and healed and the tank should be able to
>take the hit. Or if not, its only one person to rez. That part is
>simple but when you get 2 bat riders and 8 bats you need to pay more
>attention.

At 25% he does an emote, watch for that in your chat window - at this
point there is 3-5 seconds til he blows up. Now it is a question of
the tank having the reactions to just turn tail and run away; after
the bat rider does the emote he stops moving (and stops attacking?),
so it is perfectly safe to just have the tank run away.

Ofc, if the rest of the melee wants to they can try to stick around
too and not run away before the emote...

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Regards
Simon Nejmann

Boss2 Snake boss.. This boss can go either way, its easy if everyone
> stand where they are supposed to. It hard if they don't. Basically you
> are up against the boss and 4 snakes. Tank boss, sheep as many snakes
> as you can, dps the snakes down one at a time. Once the boss is alone
> dps boss, its important that all melee be as close as possible, and all
> range be as far away as possible. This boss will cast chain lighting if
> anyone is mid range, and this can wipe your group easily. Boss starts
> in troll form, once he goes into snake form he will drop poisons, these
> do damage so have tank kite away from poison and keep dpsing.


Can you avoid the chain lightning just with this trick? 10 melee right

on him, everyone else at max distance?

Our method is to use massive mana drain in the first stage of the
fight,
usually with a hunter's sting and warlocks but priests can do the trick

as well if we are warlock-deprived.




You can aviod the chain lightening easilly.

Only kill three of the adds, leave the fourth chain sheeped. This way
once the third add is down all DPS on the boss. Once the boss is down
kill the last add. The boss will not do the lightening attack if one if
his adds is still alive.

Simon Nejmann ytrede sig i <2s92d2dgl1d7i4qu42fnjha0boouj3d90q RemoveThis @4ax.com>
med dette:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:41:57 -0700, Brian <brianmcadam RemoveThis @pobox.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Tiger is almost pure melee. Lor'khan does some chain lightning or
>>something, I think.
>
>Lightning Shield (same as shamans) - dispell it off of him.

Lightning Shield can't be dispelled at Shamans, are you sure it can be
dispelled at that boss? - I think that's the only boss with Lightning
Shield that can be dispelled then.

>>Panther is pretty much pure melee. She's got a mind flay or something
>>that's forgettable.
>
>It is Shadow Word: Pain and it actually does 300-500 (?) every 3
>seconds, but it is easy to dispell.

Yeah, Decursive rules
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus

Ok, got lots of information. Yesterday I visited Yojamba isle and found
lots of ZG quests. Many of them had very nice rewards. Do the quest items
drop even if I don't have the quest in my quest log? I remember seeing some
ZG coins for sale in the AH.

How do I get Zandalar rep? Some quests require being friendly with Zandalar
tribe. Is it like AD rep, i.e. 5 points whenever you kill one mob?

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:53:23 GMT, ville-matti.TakeThisOut@kiieispammia.li.invalid
(Ville-Matti Kiili) wrote:

>Ok, got lots of information. Yesterday I visited Yojamba isle and found
>lots of ZG quests. Many of them had very nice rewards. Do the quest items
>drop even if I don't have the quest in my quest log? I remember seeing some
>ZG coins for sale in the AH.

The Primal Hakkari items, bijous, coins and dolls drop regardless of
quests. The heads for the collection of heads quest require you to
have the quest though.

>How do I get Zandalar rep? Some quests require being friendly with Zandalar
>tribe. Is it like AD rep, i.e. 5 points whenever you kill one mob?

Go into Zul'Gurub (with a group) and kill stuff, or buy bijous and
coins on the AH and sacrifice them on the altar on Yojamba Isle.

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Simon Nejmann

"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM DeleteThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:47:14 -0600, chocolatemalt
> <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I think the reason is Vent. If you have everyone following the game
>>plan and reacting to changes smoothly, ZG is fairly easy.
>>
>>We still have a few guild members without it, and sometimes it's due to
>>a low-RAM computer or a flaky 56k dialup link, but it's usually just
>>laziness or someone being antisocial. I can understand personal
>>preference, but the other side of the issue is that 19 or 39 other
>>people are also spending a few hours of their time in the raid and are
>>depending on your performance to avoid it being a wipefest and waste of
>>their time. As such I think it's reasonable to require Vent and to
>>invite only those guildies that are using it.
>
> Seems a little unfair on those people who don't use it - I'd be more than
> a
> little pissed off if I was excluded from things just because I don't like
> voice comms. I've tried them in the past and found that I can *either*
> listen to whats being said *or* concentrate on what I'm doing, not both,
> and concentrating on what I'm doing is a lot more use than screwing up
> because I'm trying to listen to what's being said.
> --

We require people to have vent so that they can listen to instructions.
Being able to talk is optional. (but almost all of us are able to)

One thing you could try is selectively mute everyone but the raid leader
(and anyone else you you need to listen to)
Without the chatter from 38 other people perhaps you would find it ok.