Nebraska PBS

Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2007/11/21 05:54 (GMT-0500) user RemoveThis @domain.invalid apparently typed:
>
>
>>Ever since NETV (Nebraska Public TV) switched from T5 to T6, I have not
>>been able to receive them. I move my dish to T6 (I'm running a Toshiba
>>TRX-100 and a 905 sidecar), and all I get is "Cannot find channel.
>>Continuing to search".... It lists "NET103 T6 602" etc. at the top, but
>>just doesn't find the channel. When I push the guide botton, it lists
>>the channels, but it just doesn't find them. It's not a dish aiming
>>problem, as I'm getting a signal quality of 80 on the C-band porn
>>channel, and the news feeds are crystal clear. Any ideas?
>
>
> Could be a polarity issue. The porn channel and NETV are on opposite
> polarity. One might be tuned OK on your Toshiba while the other not. Or ditto
> your sidecar, depending on which receiver you actually have controlling
> polarity. The upper NETV channels can be a little slow to lock.
>
> I live rather far from the center of the footprint and use a 12' dish. After
> tweaking dish position, I'm currently getting only 60 quality on 600. On most
> channels I get 99 quality. How big is your dish, and where is it?

10' Unimesh in western PA. C-band analog sigbal on newsfeeds is crystal
clear and perfect. Changing the polarity via the Toshiba has no effect,
still can't find the NETV channels. I really miss them!

They are on 600, 601, 602. On 603 up I get a partial digital signal of what
is on 600.

HTH

Redd
<user RemoveThis @domain.invalid> wrote in message news:p0X0j.6376$ht1.1241@trndny01...
> Felix Miata wrote:
>
> > On 2007/11/21 05:54 (GMT-0500) user RemoveThis @domain.invalid apparently typed:
> >
> >
> >>Ever since NETV (Nebraska Public TV) switched from T5 to T6, I have not
> >>been able to receive them. I move my dish to T6 (I'm running a Toshiba
> >>TRX-100 and a 905 sidecar), and all I get is "Cannot find channel.
> >>Continuing to search".... It lists "NET103 T6 602" etc. at the top, but
> >>just doesn't find the channel. When I push the guide botton, it lists
> >>the channels, but it just doesn't find them. It's not a dish aiming
> >>problem, as I'm getting a signal quality of 80 on the C-band porn
> >>channel, and the news feeds are crystal clear. Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Could be a polarity issue. The porn channel and NETV are on opposite
> > polarity. One might be tuned OK on your Toshiba while the other not. Or
ditto
> > your sidecar, depending on which receiver you actually have controlling
> > polarity. The upper NETV channels can be a little slow to lock.
> >
> > I live rather far from the center of the footprint and use a 12' dish.
After
> > tweaking dish position, I'm currently getting only 60 quality on 600. On
most
> > channels I get 99 quality. How big is your dish, and where is it?
>
> 10' Unimesh in western PA. C-band analog sigbal on newsfeeds is crystal
> clear and perfect. Changing the polarity via the Toshiba has no effect,
> still can't find the NETV channels. I really miss them!

user.RemoveThis@domain.invalid wrote:

> 10' Unimesh in western PA. C-band analog sigbal on newsfeeds is crystal
> clear and perfect. Changing the polarity via the Toshiba has no effect,
> still can't find the NETV channels. I really miss them!
>


Hi Mark,

Sorry I don't have a solution to your problem. But I do have the 905 sidecar
like you have here in MPLS. I use the auto polarity feature. It selects the
Horizontal polarity for 602 and PBS NETV comes in immediately.

Channels 600 - 603 have sig=90 and Qual=65. 612 - 617 have sig=90 and
Qual=78. These qual levels aren't great but work fine on my system. There
is no delay to locking the signal. I have a newer LNB with low jitter. But
even my old LNB got NETV and other subscription programming fine. QPSK is
pretty forgiving. So unless you really have a lot of jitter or a failing
LNB, you should get NETV fine.

If you are manually tuning the polarity it is Horizontal, or an even
transponder on G26(T6).

Channels 600 and 601 are not in the IPG. But you can select it by direct
entry. They also are available with the up/down channel tuning on mine.

Good luck with your trouble shooting, and I hope you get your PBS from NETV
back soon.

uH

user.TakeThisOut@domain.invalid wrote:
> Ever since NETV (Nebraska Public TV) switched from T5 to T6, I have not
> been able to receive them. I move my dish to T6 (I'm running a Toshiba
> TRX-100 and a 905 sidecar), and all I get is "Cannot find channel.
> Continuing to search".... It lists "NET103 T6 602" etc. at the top, but
> just doesn't find the channel. When I push the guide botton, it lists
> the channels, but it just doesn't find them. It's not a dish aiming
> problem, as I'm getting a signal quality of 80 on the C-band porn
> channel, and the news feeds are crystal clear. Any ideas?
>
> Mark

If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels. But for
some reason the NETV signals don't like me. And I'm in Missouri, so
footprint should not be an issue.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

--
That's one of the problems in this country
The nuts don't know they're nuts.

--Jeff Foxworthy

Micro Henry wrote:
> user.RemoveThis@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> 10' Unimesh in western PA. C-band analog sigbal on newsfeeds is crystal
>> clear and perfect. Changing the polarity via the Toshiba has no effect,
>> still can't find the NETV channels. I really miss them!
>>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Sorry I don't have a solution to your problem. But I do have the 905 sidecar
> like you have here in MPLS. I use the auto polarity feature. It selects the
> Horizontal polarity for 602 and PBS NETV comes in immediately.
>
> Channels 600 - 603 have sig=90 and Qual=65. 612 - 617 have sig=90 and
> Qual=78. These qual levels aren't great but work fine on my system. There
> is no delay to locking the signal. I have a newer LNB with low jitter. But
> even my old LNB got NETV and other subscription programming fine. QPSK is
> pretty forgiving. So unless you really have a lot of jitter or a failing
> LNB, you should get NETV fine.
>
> If you are manually tuning the polarity it is Horizontal, or an even
> transponder on G26(T6).
>
> Channels 600 and 601 are not in the IPG. But you can select it by direct
> entry. They also are available with the up/down channel tuning on mine.
>
> Good luck with your trouble shooting, and I hope you get your PBS from NETV
> back soon.
>
> uH
>
>
>
I had the same trouble viewing these channels. I used the auto polarity.
They now come in. Thanks.

Bill

Rich Piehl wrote:

> If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
> channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels. But for
> some reason the NETV signals don't like me. And I'm in Missouri, so
> footprint should not be an issue.
>
> Take care,
> Rich
>
> God bless the USA
>

Hi Rich,

It is always nice to read your posts.

I just checked G26-07 VCII signal quality on XTSY and I am getting 10.0. I
think that is significant from the 8.0 Mark was getting. However 8.0 is more
than good enough to get VCII to work. But that is irrevelavent to the DCII
problem you see from the NETV signal, other than there is some performace
degradation that I am not experiencing.

I have a 10ft dish and a Norsat 3220 LNB. But my old CalAmp was also
getting 10.0. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have found QPSK very
forgiving. However, 8PSK is not, and does need a low jitter LNB to work.
That is why I updated to the Norsat.

It could be your dish size, if it is less than 10ft. But I have read many
posts where 8ft with QPSK works fine. Your location in Missouri should be
right in the middle of the footprint.

Would be nice to understand the failure mode that affecting you and Mark.
Sorry that I don't have any words of wisdom to offer. If you figure it
out, I would like to hear from you.

uH

Micro Henry wrote:
> Rich Piehl wrote:
>
>> If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
>> channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels. But for
>> some reason the NETV signals don't like me. And I'm in Missouri, so
>> footprint should not be an issue.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Rich
>>
>> God bless the USA
>>
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> It is always nice to read your posts.

Thanks.

>
> I just checked G26-07 VCII signal quality on XTSY and I am getting 10.0. I
> think that is significant from the 8.0 Mark was getting. However 8.0 is more
> than good enough to get VCII to work. But that is irrevelavent to the DCII
> problem you see from the NETV signal, other than there is some performace
> degradation that I am not experiencing.
>
> I have a 10ft dish and a Norsat 3220 LNB. But my old CalAmp was also
> getting 10.0. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have found QPSK very
> forgiving. However, 8PSK is not, and does need a low jitter LNB to work.
> That is why I updated to the Norsat.
>
> It could be your dish size, if it is less than 10ft. But I have read many
> posts where 8ft with QPSK works fine. Your location in Missouri should be
> right in the middle of the footprint.
>
> Would be nice to understand the failure mode that affecting you and Mark.
> Sorry that I don't have any words of wisdom to offer. If you figure it
> out, I would like to hear from you.
>
> uH
>
>


I've considered upgrading my C-Band LNB. I upgraded my Ku LNB to a
Norsat 4106 and it made a world of difference, just from the temperature
stability alone. But my wife is making noises about wanting to move and
I doubt the BUD will get to come along (which is one of the reasons I'm
kinda' resisting the move).

I've only got a 7' dish, and the only other place I've found a weakness
is trying to pick up a signal is one C- band MPEG DVB channel on Galaxy
16. Usually I have no problems with either C or Ku for anything
destined for North America because of my central location. But NETV
reception was erratic on T5 and hasn't improved on T6.

Frustrating.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA


--
That's one of the problems in this country
The nuts don't know they're nuts.

--Jeff Foxworthy

I have a 10 foot Unimesh with an Echostar H to H mount (very stable on
positioning).However,
I can't get a signal lock because the signal is too low (6 and I can't
even register a quality number on my 920.However,an analog feed on
transponder 24 comes in with a signal of 88 (more than sufficient) on
the same satellite.I have found I need a basic signal number of 80
to even get a quality register.My guess is that NETV is broadcasting at
an extremely low power level,probably at 5W EIRP or less and my LNB is
insufficient to lock.

SAC 441 wrote:
> I have a 10 foot Unimesh with an Echostar H to H mount (very stable on
> positioning).However,
> I can't get a signal lock because the signal is too low (6 and I can't
> even register a quality number on my 920.However,an analog feed on
> transponder 24 comes in with a signal of 88 (more than sufficient) on
> the same satellite.I have found I need a basic signal number of 80
> to even get a quality register.My guess is that NETV is broadcasting at
> an extremely low power level,probably at 5W EIRP or less and my LNB is
> insufficient to lock.
>


Then you're in worse shape than me. I can get a signal quality of 100.
But I can't get my quality above 1, i.e. non existent. I've played
with skew and position manually, I've tried auto. Nothing seems to
change it.

It really surprised me considering that is a fairly new satellite, that
we can't get a decent signal out of it.

On a side note, after the discussion this afternoon, for the fun of it I
tried to get the MPEG DVB signal off Galaxy 16 that I've never been able
to get. And I FINALLY got it. So I took it as a sign and tried NETV
again. Still no luck.

It's really aggravating.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

--
That's one of the problems in this country
The nuts don't know they're nuts.

--Jeff Foxworthy

"Rich Piehl" <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR RemoveThis @NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:AqD1j.55$JP4.36@newsfe06.lga...
> user RemoveThis @domain.invalid wrote:
> > Ever since NETV (Nebraska Public TV) switched from T5 to T6, I have not
> > been able to receive them. I move my dish to T6 (I'm running a Toshiba
> > TRX-100 and a 905 sidecar), and all I get is "Cannot find channel.
> > Continuing to search".... It lists "NET103 T6 602" etc. at the top, but
> > just doesn't find the channel. When I push the guide botton, it lists
> > the channels, but it just doesn't find them. It's not a dish aiming
> > problem, as I'm getting a signal quality of 80 on the C-band porn
> > channel, and the news feeds are crystal clear. Any ideas?
> >
> > Mark
>
> If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
> channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels. But for
> some reason the NETV signals don't like me. And I'm in Missouri, so
> footprint should not be an issue.
>
> Take care,
> Rich

Ancient 1982 10' mesh dish, brand unknown because the tag fell off, antique
actuator whose rubber boot has almost rotted off, and a 4DTV reciever. I
get NET just fine, but alas, its compressed almost as badly as PBS on Dish
Network.
(sigh) I'm in Missouri also.
I checked it out just yesterday, due to the Eric Clapton special coming up
on NET. The upcoming Mannheim Steamroller Christmas show is also on my OTA
local PBS station, so I'll watch it on local. It usually has no noticeable
compression artifacts.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:43:06 -0600, Rich Piehl
<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR RemoveThis @NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:

>If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
>channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels.

Cheatin with 10' solid dish...it works fine....and signal strength has
not changed from previous years....but, my dish is tuned up.

I would skew polarity...I get quality around 73 in evening hours.

<user.RemoveThis@domain.invalid> wrote in message news:d7U0j.9263$701.1864@trndny08...
> Ever since NETV (Nebraska Public TV) switched from T5 to T6, I have not
> been able to receive them. I move my dish to T6 (I'm running a Toshiba
> TRX-100 and a 905 sidecar), and all I get is "Cannot find channel.
> Continuing to search".... It lists "NET103 T6 602" etc. at the top, but
> just doesn't find the channel. When I push the guide botton, it lists
> the channels, but it just doesn't find them. It's not a dish aiming
> problem, as I'm getting a signal quality of 80 on the C-band porn
> channel, and the news feeds are crystal clear. Any ideas?
>
> Mark

I have a 4DTV, but no subscription to anything anymore. I tweaked up the
dish and polarity on NET 1 in anticipation of watching the Mannheim
Christmas concert, and the Eric Clapton concert.
Signal and quality were excellent all evening, then about 30 seconds before
the concert was to start, blast of snow, then blank screen, then searching
for channel screen came up.
Signal was in the 80's, quality was 0. So I didnt watch the show.
Evidently, IMO, no subscription, no good concerts. The next morning,
everything was normal again.
And the same thing happened on the 3rd, when the Clapton concert was
scheduled.
When did this start happening? Unknown.
But it may have something to do with your problem, depending on when you
were trying to tune in your reciever, and what was being broadcast.

D

BigFoot wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:43:06 -0600, Rich Piehl
> <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>If it's any consolation I've not been able to tune NETV either. Other
>>channels on the satellite work fine, as do MPEG-DVB channels.
>
>
> Cheatin with 10' solid dish...it works fine....and signal strength has
> not changed from previous years....but, my dish is tuned up.
>
> I would skew polarity...I get quality around 73 in evening hours.

I had pretty much given up on it, and hadn't even tried since November.
But tonight I was bored, so I gave it a shot again. I reread the
posts here, and saw mention of an "auto polarity feature". My sidecar
doesn't seem to have that option, but under "Change System
Settings"/"Change Installation Settings" it did have "Feedhorn
Poloraztion", with two settings, "Standard", and "Rotated 90*". I hit
the rotated 90* option, and viola! NETV snapped right in, clear as a
bell. But all other sats (G1, etc.) don't work with it in this setting.
I guess I'll just have to switch that setting whenever I want to watch
NETV. That's okay with me, I'm just glad to finally have it back!