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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:55 pm
Post subject: Mahjong 'Cash' in red, green and blue, but why? Archived from groups: rec>games>mahjong (more info?)
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NAQ # 6
My Never-Asked-Question: why mahjong Cash in colors (red, green and
blue)?
Who first chose the exact English term ¡°CASH¡± for the mahjong circle
symbol which had been called by the Chinese, as ping (pancake),
container Ïä, Pipe Ͳ, tube ¹Ü and tong [chien] Í [Ç®], (copper coin)?
The reason I ask is because I would like to know where he found CASH
in colors, red, green and blue, if he had ever seen them.
That begs the next question. Were and are the circles actually
mistaken in name? This is not a ¡°redundant¡± or trivial question,
because the symbolic representation should correlate with the design
structure and theme of the mahjong game.
What do you think??
http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:15 pm
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On Dec 22, 10:55 pm, al <a... DeleteThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> NAQ # 6
> My Never-Asked-Question: why mahjong Cash in colors (red, green and
> blue)?
>
> Who first chose the exact English term ¡°CASH¡± for the mahjong circle
> symbol which had been called by the Chinese, as ping (pancake),
> container Ïä, Pipe Ͳ, tube ¹Ü and tong [chien] Í [Ç®], (copper coin)?
>
I found an answer to the question. Wilkinson was one of them.
Excerpt from Wilkinson¡¯s Chinese Origin of Playing cards (1895) page
61 - 78:
¡°The suit of ping, "cakes," was originally and properly that of ch'ien
"sapecks" or "cash;" the "strings" are strips of one thousand cash,
the "myriads" are myriads of cash.¡±
> The reason I ask is because I would like to know where he found CASH
> in colors, red, green and blue, if he had ever seen them.
>
Wilkinson did not mention (in the pages I read) the colors of the
symbols. His hasty interpretation contributed to confusion and
mistaken notion of the money-base in Chinese mahjong symbols. As an
example in the quoted text above, ¡°ping¡± is not¡°cakes¡±. Ping was meant
Ÿýïž which is a thin flat round sheet of crusty but pliable dough, like
that served as wraps for Peking-Duck in Chinese restaurants; it is not
a baked cake. A baked cake is more like ¸â. A sponge cake for example,
is ó Ü›µ°¸â.
Obviously ping (Ÿýïž) is NOT chien or ¡°cash¡± other than the fact its
shape is round. A Ÿýïž does not have a square hole in the middle. Cash
has a square hole.
Going from NOT-cash to ¡°string of cash¡± is an extrapolation and
jumping from "String" to ¡°myriad of cash¡± is a huge stretch of
imagination.
What is more? Some people say a string is 100 cash and Wilkinson
reported it as a 1000 cash. It seemed the true value or denomination
had been variable.
Regardless whether a string is 1000 or 100 coins, chien (Cake) was
meant for use as loose change to make up fractions of a cent. The
notion of String and Myriad can only come from foreigners who lack
depth in appreciation for Chinese language and culture. Simple words
like (Ê®) , (°Ù), (ǧ), for ten, hundred, and thousand, without the (Èf),
ten thousand, could have done a better job of indicating quantities if
chien was to denote cash amounts. Nothing was gained by including a
¡°String¡± which carried with it only ambiguity and confusion. Chinese
people called it just suo (Ë÷), with no implication of monetary value.
The money (cash) notion came from a foreigner¡¯s conjecture when the
Chinese people did not know any better to give a correct description
themselves.
> [..]?
Take a look at the symbols in he web-page below.
If the round shape represent divination coins, then the suo (Ë÷) can be
a roll of bamboo strips tied together by threads as a written oracle.
Pages of ancient books were made like that. Divination can apply to a
large number of things (like ten-thousand things in taiji and I-
Ching).
In Chinese symbolism, White or Blue is for Heaven, Green is for
Earth, and Red is for Man. The ideal state of life and the universe
is Heaven-Earth-Man in Harmony. Now mahjong game as a whole begins to
make sense.
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> http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
> +++++++++
Cheers......al
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:25 pm
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On Dec 22 2007, 10:55 pm, al <a....DeleteThis@ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> NAQ # 6
> My Never-Asked-Question: why mahjong Cash in colors (red, green and
> blue)?
>
> Who first chose the exact English term ¡°CASH¡± for the mahjong circle
> symbol which had been called by the Chinese, as ping (pancake),
I just read Steward Culin's The Game of Ma-Jong (Elliott Avedon
Musuem). He described the suits as "ping, sok and man" Ity seems
strange to me. Ping does not belong to the southern Cantonese dialect,
as I know and speak it. Level is more like "ping", while "beng" could
be referred to as "cake". He might have mixed the term with Himly's
"ping" of Northern dialect.
Culin did realize Chinese games terminology is full of slang and is
"elusive", as he had acknowledged.
Slang is key word to note. Historians who gathered their mahjong
history from Chinese natives and recorded their knowledge in slang-
verbatim. Unknowingly they left out real meanings of the pieces and
the game's purpose or true history as a whole.
Unfortunately, 150 years ago when these foreign historians were
writing their new found knowledge, no Chinese was around to read the
work in English and none was able to correct anything.
Of course, it was a good thing somebody from the outside world took an
interest at the game. The people in China had neglected the game's
history for ages. The traditional oral learning and visual memorizing
left a lot of confusion about mahjong.
> container Ïä, Pipe Ͳ, tube ¹Ü and tong [chien] Í [Ç®], (copper coin)?
>
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Lk8M0VslRek9QM:http://www.dkimages...m/disco
Here is an example of a container, made from a section of bamboo in
the old days. Below here is a bunch of typical bamboo strips used for
message recording.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:AcoxLUo9zEG3mM:http://depts.washin...n..edu/
> The reason I ask is because I would like to know where he found CASH
> in colors, red, green and blue, if he had ever seen them.
>
> That begs the next question. Were and are the circles actually
> mistaken in name?
The circular shape was intended as symbol. It was mistaken for actual
cash which in turned was given slang names in various regions in
China. The first error in the writing of mahjong history was in
treating a symbolic representation or allegory as an actual object.
The next mistake follows naturally in treating the other symbols as
multiples (again forgetting the fact that they are representations of
something else). Hence the notion of money-base origin of the game was
born and persisted.
The colors in term of symbolism represent Heaven, Earth ans Man. This
is pretty well established. Why the circles? That is more interesting
question.
The circle represents a CYCLE. A cycle represents TIME. In the
dimension of time, Heaven, Earth and Man in the UNIVERSE change. All
changes repeat in cycles like CIRCLES..
Divination is a way to anticipate changes. The bamboo strips were
used as a tool to randomize or synchronize the hexagram oracle. The
application is for tens of thousands of questions. Just "sok" it to
it. (Recall by definition "sou3" or "sok" is to demand, to ask, to
search and to exact" [answers]).
> because the symbolic representation should correlate with the design
> structure and theme of the mahjong game.
>
The 3 concentric CIRCLES represent the concepts in the Book of
Changes".
This is how I perceive and believe I-Ching in mahjong design.
> http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
> +++++++++
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:56 pm
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On Jan 29, 5:25 pm, al <a... RemoveThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 22 2007, 10:55 pm, al <a... RemoveThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > NAQ # 6
> > My Never-Asked-Question: why mahjong Cash in colors (red, green and
> > blue)?
>
A simple answer is this. Gold is gold color; silver is silver color;
copper is copper and no metal is red, green and / or blue. Cash was
meant to be metal coin. therefore red, green and blue circle-symbols
in mahjong were NOT CASH.
> > Who first chose the exact English term "CASH" for the mahjong circle
> > symbol which had been called by the Chinese, as ping (pancake),
>
"Ping" was slang.
> I just read Steward Culin's The Game of Ma-Jong (Elliott Avedon
> Musuem). He described the suits as "ping, sok and man" Ity seems
> strange to me. Ping does not belong to the southern Cantonese dialect,
> as I know and speak it. Level is more like "ping", while "beng" could
> be referred to as "cake". He might have mixed the term with Himly's
> "ping" of Northern dialect.
>
Ping sounds like a word that mean "level" or "undisturbed".
> Culin did realize Chinese games terminology is full of slang and is
> "elusive", as he had acknowledged.
>
> Slang is key word to note. Historians who gathered their mahjong
> history from Chinese natives and recorded their knowledge in slang-
> verbatim. Unknowingly they left out real meanings of the pieces and
> the game's purpose or true history as a whole.
>
I can appreciate the situation. There was so little knowledge of the
subject. Nothing existed in writing except many different names heard.
Those early historians did well for what they have done with what was
available for that strange game.
What I can not understand is why people of today refuse to see the
mistakes made by people 150 years ago.
> Unfortunately, 150 years ago when these foreign historians were
> writing their new found knowledge, no Chinese was around to read the
> work in English and none was able to correct anything.
>
But even now, the supposedly official version of the history is not
yet officially translated. Only the diagrams have been taken and
matched with text from somewhere else by other authors.
Why don't historians of East and West get together and clarify some
questions now?
> Of course, it was a good thing somebody from the outside world took an
> interest at the game. The people in China had neglected the game's
> history for ages. The traditional oral learning and [..]
> left a lot of confusion about mahjong.
>
> >[..]
> [..]
> > The reason I ask is because I would like to know where he found CASH
> > in colors, red, green and blue, if he had ever seen them.
>
Nowhere.
> > [..] Were and are the circles actually
> > mistaken in name?
>
That is obviously so.
> The circular shape was intended as symbol. It was mistaken for actual
> cash which in turned was given slang names in various regions in
> China. The first error in the writing of mahjong history was in
> treating a symbolic representation or allegory as an actual object.
The apple in the Garden of Eden was a symbol; it was not meant to be
an actual real apple you can sink your teeth into.
"Cash" for mahjong's circles may be said to be the "sin" of wrongful
translation.
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> The next mistake follows naturally in treating the other symbols as
> multiples (again forgetting the fact that they are representations of
> something else).[..]
>
> The colors in term of symbolism represent Heaven, Earth ans Man. [..]
>
> The circle represents a CYCLE. A cycle represents TIME. [..] [Heaven], Earth and Man in the UNIVERSE change. All
> changes repeat in cycles like CIRCLES..
>
Zhong-fa-bai is a cycle of LIFE (where BIRTH is a lucky change, GROWTH
is a healthy change, and DEATH is a disappearing change); life
recycles.
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> Divination is a way to anticipate changes. The bamboo strips were
> used as a tool to randomize or synchronize the hexagram oracle. The
> application is for tens of thousands of questions. Just "sok" it to
> it. (Recall by definition "sou3" or "sok" is to demand, to ask, to
> search and to exact" [answers]).
> [..]
> [..][..]
Divination influence Chinese life and culture thousands years.
>
> > http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
> > +++++++++
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:58 am
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On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j... RemoveThis @inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
> madness.
Thank you for the warning...
As you know, "sayings" are usually only partly true.
I was not "talking" to myself. I was writing to readers like you.
There is a definite difference. And when I write, I feel I have
something to contribute. Again that is a positive sign of mental
health.
"To arrive at the simplest truth requires years of contemplation." An
Englishman, Sir Isaac Newton said that.
We can be sure he had done "years of contemplation" on his own.
Judging from the response, I recall another saying. When nobody says
anything, somebody is not thinking.
Here is a Chinese proverb.
"A book tightly shut is but a block of paper."
I might add.
A mind tightly shut is but a blob of brain.
Cheers.....al |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:11 am
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> On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j....RemoveThis@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
>> madness.
"al" <alee.RemoveThis@ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote
> Thank you for the warning...
Darn. I thought Allan was going to say "that's actually a Chinese saying."
(^_^)
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:48 am
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We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:56 am
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On Mar 27, 11:11 am, "Tom Sloper" <tslo... DeleteThis @DONTsloperamaSPAMME.com>
wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j... DeleteThis @inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
> >> madness.
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> "al" <a... DeleteThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote
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> > Thank you for the warning...
>
> Darn. I thought Allan was going to say "that's actually a Chinese saying."
> (^_^)
> Tom
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Not sure what you intended to say Tom.
Was your thinking referring to Julian's "English saying"?
If so, then I would say that was a small disappointment for you.
I don't recall reading any half-truth like that in Chinese. No doubt
there are some, but I can't think of any at this moment.
Here is thought for the day.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Albert Einstein
Apophrenia applies to people who see things that others missed?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:45 am
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On Mar 27, 11:11 am, "Tom Sloper" <tslo... RemoveThis @DONTsloperamaSPAMME.com>
wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j... RemoveThis @inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
> >> madness.
>
> "al" <a... RemoveThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote
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> > [..]
>
> Darn. I thought Allan was going to say "that's actually a Chinese saying."
> (^_^)
> Tom
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I replied yesterday and mentioned this quote.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Albert Einstein
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Here is thought for today. I understand what the statement means
better today than yesterday.
In Einstein's formula, E=m*cSquared , there is knowledge and
imagination.
It was common knowledge: m is mass of matter and c is speed of light.
Without imagination, E would be Empty (Eternity).
Einstein's imagination turned E = Energy.
I appreciate that. I thought I would share it.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:02 am
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On Mar 27, 11:11 am, "Tom Sloper" <tslo....DeleteThis@DONTsloperamaSPAMME.com>
wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j....DeleteThis@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
> >> madness.
> [..]
>
> Darn. I thought Allan was going to say "that's actually a Chinese saying."
> (^_^)
> Tom
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Tom, what was that term you defined and applied to me one time,
apophrenia?
And the definition was for some one who sees things that weren't there
or something like that?
How do you think scientific and all other intellectual discoveries
come about? How many others besides Newton saw gravitational pull on
the falling apple?
Take for example a typical game consultant encounters a typical game
inventor who has an idea for a new game. Would he consider the gamer a
apophreniac?
By your definition may be he is , but is that so bad? Look at the fun
people enjoy from the apophrenic minds and the business / employment
generated.
I read a while back. Some one saw the the working of binary system and
applied it to computing. This same simple system was used to figure
out DNA code. Most people didn't see that (not even now). But we are
glad somebody did.
By the way, I should remind you, in case I hadn't mentioned it before.
Yin and yang work as binary digits. In fact the I-Ching trigrams and
hexagrams can be neatly presented in digital form. And did I say Ma-
Taio can be Pair of Lines? I saw that in my mind. I will explain what
I mean later. For now, I just say Ma is not Horse, nor Hemp and not
mother.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:09 pm
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On May 19, 9:02 am, al <a....RemoveThis@ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 11:11 am, "Tom Sloper" <tslo....RemoveThis@DONTsloperamaSPAMME.com>
> wrote:> > On Mar 27, 4:48 am, Julian Bradfield <j....RemoveThis@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >> We have a saying in English: talking to yourself is the first sign of
> > >> madness.
> > [..]
> [..]
>
> By the way, I should remind you, in case I hadn't mentioned it before.
> Yin and yang work as binary digits. In fact the I-Ching trigrams and
> hexagrams can be neatly presented in digital form.
111 is heaven and 000 is earth. 101 is fire and 010 is water.
> And did I say Ma-Taio can be Pair of Lines? I saw that in my mind.
I will explain
> what I mean later. For now, I just say Ma is not Horse, nor Hemp and not
> mother.
I will explain briefly now. This is what I see and other don't see
yet.
Ma-Taio = a pair of lines, where ma= '×Ó×Ó' and Taio = Ìõ..
Ma-Taio sounds like Ma-Daio which is ma-Äñ.
Äñ = a bird of generic feathered animal.
ȸ = a tiny bird, a class of feathered animal.
Since 'ma' can be 'horse', 'mother' or 'hemp' plant Âé, and Äñ = ȸ, Âé Äñ
then became Âéȸ. Because Âéȸ seems fitting especially the clacking noise
from the solid tiles, and it's a familiar cute tiny bird, the name
stuck.
However, hemp-bird is incorrect, similar to hair-worm. The combination
should be an adjective and a noun. Hair-worm is a hairy worm which is
a caterpillar insect. For a grammatically correct combination, the
hemp-bird would be hempen bird. That does not make much sense. Âéȸ is
so called because it has color pattern like hemp stalk. So, even
sparrow, Âéȸ, is a name derived in error. That explains why its origin
is so difficult to trace back.
Âéȸ was from Ma-Taio and Ma-Taio was before Ma-Daio of Late Ming
period.
Ma-Taio was ma= '×Ó×Ó' and Taio = Ìõ, meaning a pair of lines. A pair of
lines mean something only to those who are knowledgeable in I-Ching.
The suo3 is Ë÷ like rope or line. But because lines involve concept of
trigrams and creation of "ten-thousand" things, common folks naturally
didn't want to bother with philosophical ideas. '×Ó×Ó' Ìõ got dropped
and replaced by a meaningless name Sparrow.
That is the way I see it.
Cheers....al
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On Jul 10, 9:09 pm, al <a... RemoveThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On May 19, 9:02 am, al <a... RemoveThis @ntl.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> [..]
I repeat the question: "Mah-Jong cash in red, green and blue, but
why?"
The simple answer is: Cash is not money.
> > > [..]
> > [..]
> > By the way, I should remind you, in case I hadn't mentioned it before.
> > Yin and yang work as binary digits. In fact the I-Ching trigrams and
> > hexagrams can be neatly presented in digital form.
What yin and yang have to do with Mah-Jong? Nothing documented in
history by Himly, Wilkinson and other historians. Even though the
taiji diagram was clearly described in Ma Daio, a Late Ming game, it
was translated as 1-Cash.
What possibly had been symbols of yin-yang opposites were translated
as "Half-Cash". It does not seem realistic to see 'one-half of one-
tenth of one cent' at anytime, but it is written and thus documented.
Trigrams? What are they for and what do they mean?
In Chinese Book of Changes (I-Ching) and Daoism or Taoism, trigrams
form a Bagua octagon which represents "ten-thousand
things" (figuratively, everything in the universe).
Trigrams and Bagua related to Mah-Jong? But that is not documented by
historians so far. They did not call "ten-thousand things"; they said
"ten-thousand Cash".
http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
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> 111 is heaven and 000 is earth. 101 is fire and 010 is water.
>
> > And did I say Ma-Taio can be Pair of Lines? [..]
>
> I will explain briefly now. This is what I see and other don't see
> yet.
>
> Ma-Taio = a pair of lines, where ma= '×Ó×Ó' and Taio = Ìõ.
>
http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
> Ma-Taio sounds like Ma-Daio [and Ma Daio] is ma-Äñ.
> Äñ = a [generic] bird [..].
> ȸ = a [class of] tiny bird[..].
>
> Since 'ma' can be 'horse', 'mother' or 'hemp' [..] Âé, and Äñ = ȸ, Âé Äñ
> then became Âéȸ. Because Âéȸ seems fitting especially the clacking noise
> from the solid tiles, [..]
>
> However, hemp-bird is incorrect, [..]. The combination [structure]
> should be an adjective and a noun. [Like] Hair-worm a hairy worm which is
> a caterpillar insect. For a grammatically correct combination, the
> hemp-bird would be hempen bird. That does not make much sense.[..]. So, even
> sparrow, Âéȸ, is a name derived in error. That explains why its origin
> is so difficult to trace back.
>
An example similar to this was pointed out in a recent post for
"identical sequences" in Japanese Mahjong.
> [..]
> Ma-Taio was ma= '×Ó×Ó' and Taio = Ìõ, meaning a pair of lines. A pair of
> lines mean something only to those who are knowledgeable in I-Ching.
>
> The suo3 is Ë÷ like rope or line. But because lines involve concept of
> trigrams and creation of "ten-thousand" things, common folks naturally
> didn't want to bother with philosophical ideas. '×Ó×Ó' Ìõ got dropped
> and replaced by a meaningless name Sparrow.
Chapter 42 of Dao De Jing says out of Emptiness one becomes two and
two become three and three become ten-thousand things.
>
> That is the way I see it.
Symbolically, one, two and three refer to and correlate with the lines
representing yin and yang.
Ë÷ is a line in a trigram in I-Ching, a symbol of a concept.
It is not a string of Cash, a material object.
>
http://www.taopage.org/iching/iching_symbols.html
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I have said just about all I wanted to say on this topic at this
point. Thank you for your patience.Your silence and the odd remarks
have been inspiring.
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Cheers....al |
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