Attention Leatherworkers!

On Oct 25, 11:06 am, Idahoe <tdar....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm considering either purchasing my way into LW or perhaps dropping
> my current profs to pick up LW. Please give me
>
> How much gold can one make from leatherworking per week (talking pure
> profiteering here)?
>
> How much time are you spending skinning for this profit, if you are
> skinning?
>
> Are you selling more leather or mail items?
>
> What items are certain sellers in the AH?
>
> Any other benefits from LW that may not be obvious to non-LW (are the
> drums really that great)?
>
> Thanks.

Hello Idahoe!

I have no idea. I been stuck at 351 for about 3 months with over 300
Heavy Knothide leather in the bank and tons of other outland specialty
leathers.

It's those primals that seem like they could take some time to get a
hold of.

6 primals in one recipe. jsut to get up 5 notches in LW that is 30
primals which is equal to 300 motes - a lot of farming.

Now I htink I know why people get the riding crop pattern and make
them and sell them on the AH despite hte mats costing less than the
the crop.

Because they can at least get back enough cash to get them on the way
to the next one they craft and they can get to 375 with it.

And I have that pattern sitting on a banker right now.

Bah, as soon as my three toons have their epic flyers I shall set
myself forth farming the motes and primals and getting that skill up
to max and have it done and over.

I know, not much help I have ben eh?

Well I also understand that Cobrascles and Heavy Knothide and
Clefthoof armor can sell on the AH for good gold

Orion

On 25 loka, 18:06, Idahoe <tdar....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm considering either purchasing my way into LW or perhaps dropping
> my current profs to pick up LW. Please give me
>
> How much gold can one make from leatherworking per week (talking pure
> profiteering here)?

Not much. I've given up trying to make money with leatherworking.

> How much time are you spending skinning for this profit, if you are
> skinning?

The problem with leatherworking is that the most wanted items require
a lot of primals, which can't be obtained with skinning. Leather is
cheap. If you have an alt which is a miner, that's a perfect
combination with leatherworking, because you'll need primal fires and
primal earths.

> Are you selling more leather or mail items?

Neither. They are generally worth less than the materials.

> What items are certain sellers in the AH?

Armor kits are good. Everyone wants clefthide or cobrahide leg armors.
Knothide armor kits are ok too, but they are so cheap that you can't
make much gold with them.

> Any other benefits from LW that may not be obvious to non-LW (are the
> drums really that great)?

I've heard drums are nice, but I don't have any drum patterns. Drum
patterns will be easier to get after patch 2.3.

BOP leatherworking armors are good. You have to get the skill to 375
before you can craft them though.

On 25 loka, 20:08, "Hans Escher" <hesc... RemoveThis @replytonewsgrouphome.nl>
wrote:
> If leatherworking might become a profit it will be the few hard to
> get BOEs or 375 recipes. The mats give me the impression I'll
> never sell a lot, so for me its only the BOPs for personal use.

Some people want to buy epic helms and breastplates. They'll bring all
mats and they'll pay 150g for the primal nether. The patterns cost
almost 1000g on my server, so you have to sell a lot of those before
it is profitable.

"Idahoe" <tdardas RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm considering either purchasing my way into LW or perhaps dropping
> my current profs to pick up LW. Please give me
>
> How much gold can one make from leatherworking per week (talking pure
> profiteering here)?

Leatherworking is not all that profitable. At lower levels, you can make
some gold on armor kits and such.

>
> How much time are you spending skinning for this profit, if you are
> skinning?

In general, I skin as I hunt - so I don't consider skinning a 'time' issue,
unlike with some of the alts, that actively 'farm' herbs/ore or cloth. A
good portion of the skins make their way into the AH.

>
> Are you selling more leather or mail items?

Neither. Items tend to be worth less than the mats used to create them.
Having an alt who enchants at least allows for the d/e of items for
materials.

>
> What items are certain sellers in the AH?

Armor kits, if priced right.

>
> Any other benefits from LW that may not be obvious to non-LW

At lower levels, most of LW is making something from nothing. At higher
levels, tons more has to be farmed to create items.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:06:34 -0000, Idahoe <tdardas.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm considering either purchasing my way into LW or perhaps dropping
>my current profs to pick up LW. Please give me
>
>How much gold can one make from leatherworking per week (talking pure
>profiteering here)?

My own experience is zero - you make more money selling the raw materials.
There isn't a single recipe I have where the end product is worth more than
the materials would sell for. Sad, but true; I only keep leatherworking
because I've had it a long time and still enjoy it, despite its uselessness
as a money maker. At least I can make stuff for my leather/mail classes to
wear.

>What items are certain sellers in the AH?

Riding crops sell (for less than the materials value), armor kits sell and
you might sometimes break even on those... but I gave up trying to sell
anything a long time ago. The mail felstalker set seemed to sell pretty
well when I was skilling up on it, still didn't go for as much as the
materials were worth though.

>Any other benefits from LW that may not be obvious to non-LW (are the
>drums really that great)?

Not for me, but the materials needed for the drums are being reduced next
patch, so I may start using them more then. The BoP epic set is the only
thing really worth getting leatherworking for in my opinion, and from what
I hear they don't suit all classes/builds anyway (such as the cleverness of
needing primal airs for the druid/shaman caster sets... both classes use
mainly nature spells and air elementals are immune to nature damage....)
The elemental set is nice for my rogue though - there's slightly better
items in Karazhan, but they're not enough better that they make up for
losing the set bonus.
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"Orion Ryder"

> I have no idea. I been stuck at 351 for about 3 months with over 300
> Heavy Knothide leather in the bank and tons of other outland specialty
> leathers.
>
> It's those primals that seem like they could take some time to get a
> hold of.
>
> 6 primals in one recipe. jsut to get up 5 notches in LW that is 30
> primals which is equal to 300 motes - a lot of farming.

I managed to get LW up to 355 with scaled draenic boots (yes its
green at the end). Fairly good skillups still over 350, but maybe I
was lucky.

After that I used Heavy Clefthoof Boots. Thick clefthoof leather
was easier to get than the overfarmed elemental motes.
I see lots of those boots on the AH for ridiculous low prices, so
more Leatherworkers follow that path.

My tauren druid is at 367 at the moment. I think I try to reach 370
with HCB.

My feeling is lots of people are LW for the BOP patterns, or at
least some of the easy armors I tried to sell (Clefthide leg armor)
got hardly margin over the material prices at the AH.

If leatherworking might become a profit it will be the few hard to
get BOEs or 375 recipes. The mats give me the impression I'll
never sell a lot, so for me its only the BOPs for personal use.

On Oct 25, 10:06 am, Idahoe <tdar....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm considering either purchasing my way into LW or perhaps dropping
> my current profs to pick up LW. Please give me
>
> How much gold can one make from leatherworking per week (talking pure
> profiteering here)?
>
> How much time are you spending skinning for this profit, if you are
> skinning?
>
> Are you selling more leather or mail items?
>
> What items are certain sellers in the AH?
>
> Any other benefits from LW that may not be obvious to non-LW (are the
> drums really that great)?
>
> Thanks.

If you dont need the BoP pieces stay FAR away from LW. They are making
it easier to skill up with the drum recipes next patch but it will
probably be a huge pain. Also heavy knothide leather is required in
most recipes but in such small amounts lots of people have a bank
full. I can barely sell the stuff at 10g for 4 on the AH.

The drums really arent that great imo. Not worth picking up the
profession anyhow.

Like any profession the patterns are expensive to buy and the only
thing that sells half decently well is the Nethercleft/Nethercobra
kits. Unless you like sitting around a capital city spamming trade
channel or waiting for people to find you?

Skinning can be fairly profitable but compared to mining or herbs
there really isn't a comparison. Thick Clefthoof is the only thing
I've managed to sell for any kind of reasonable return on my time
skinning.

On Oct 25, 12:08 pm, "Hans Escher" <hesc... RemoveThis @replytonewsgrouphome.nl>
wrote:
> "Orion Ryder"
>
> > I have no idea. I been stuck at 351 for about 3 months with over 300
> > Heavy Knothide leather in the bank and tons of other outland specialty
> > leathers.
>
> > It's those primals that seem like they could take some time to get a
> > hold of.
>
> > 6 primals in one recipe. jsut to get up 5 notches in LW that is 30
> > primals which is equal to 300 motes - a lot of farming.
>
> I managed to get LW up to 355 with scaled draenic boots (yes its
> green at the end). Fairly good skillups still over 350, but maybe I
> was lucky.
>
> After that I used Heavy Clefthoof Boots. Thick clefthoof leather
> was easier to get than the overfarmed elemental motes.
> I see lots of those boots on the AH for ridiculous low prices, so
> more Leatherworkers follow that path.

Yep, dont be afraid to craft yellow items when the difference in cost
for mats is that large.

Until you need bind on pickup items (same for tailoring), the only way
to go at the moment is gathering...

For super cash, mining _and_ herbing, wandering along clicking the
switch minimap (I should do a macro to toggle those).

Pretty much all crafting professions are money sinks. You can go
gathering and have your epic flying mount by 70, otherwise they stuff
you sell gets used on levelling things up. If I need a Boe cloth/mail/
leather item, they are on the AH from other crafters, cheaper than
their mats. Only Bind on Pickup is worth it (or 350 LW required) and I
can't comment on whether those are comparable to the epics of Raids...
I believe Tailoring purples are really worth it though, dunno about
LW's crafted purples.

But saying that you could argue that you should level with gathering
skills and use the spare cash at 70 to respec whatever purple you need
for your class. I personally will stick with the gathering...

Engineering is a vanity thing, but at least has some variety.
Enchanting isn't really a money maker, but can be good for supporting
your alts equipment, not really a money maker. Some say alchemy is
good, its not one I've got past 300...

Skinnings only real value is that it takes the place of a crafting
skill, so you aren't wasting money on crafting stuff, and it goes on
AH (assuming that you don't LW). Its easy to level, but its items are
trivial at level 70 compared to the likes of gold (1 stack of fel iron
= 10g, 1 stack of Knothide leather = 4g, adamantium = 30g, with motes
of fire, earth, gems, and occasional blue gems too). Ok, so cobra
scales sold well at one point, but they're 14g on my server and
frankly you'll make much more on mining or herbing or both...

This might change in the future, but at the moment, its the true state
of things:

Mining: Money Money Money
Herbing Money Money Money (maybe even more, I'm 292)
Skinning: Money
Tailoring: Costly, but BOP items might be worth it.
LW: Costly, BOP items not really worth it.
Blacksmithing: Costly, I don't think BOP items worth it, but someone
might know for sure.
Enchanting: Costly. Might have some sales value at high level, but
nothing compared to even Skinning daily.
Jewelcrafting: Heard costly (costly even at 50-100ish level when I
left it) , various reports on making good money at high levels.
Engineering: Some useful bits, but costly and nothing sells. BOP items
not worth it, but has vanity value for the new mount.

Smid

On Oct 26, 1:05 pm, Marco Dieckhoff <di....RemoveThis@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 2007-10-26, Smid <smids....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Enchanting isn't really a money maker, but can be good for supporting
> > your alts equipment, not really a money maker.
>
> Hm?
> Enchanting is the profession least helping your alts.
>
> OK, you can send BoE to your enchanter and back to your alt, but
> you can't enchant BoP, quest rewards and so on for you alt -- which
> are in most cases better than BoE and therefore more often weared.

True, sadly, it has its limitations, but in reality I wouldn't be
enchanting the blue items from quest rewards (I'm not twinking) with
paid for enchanters, and I'd be vending those useless items from the
alts, so DE'ing and then occasionally throwing a bonus +something on a
AH bracer serves a nice little boost for me...

Smid

On 26 loka, 14:59, Smid <smids....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tailoring purples are really worth it though, dunno about
> LW's crafted purples.

LW crafted purples are very good too.

The problem with crafting professions seems to be this: If a pattern
can be used to level up a profession, people will sell crafted items
at a low price. Almost all patterns are like this. Some patterns are
rare. They may even be profitable. However, if they require costly
materials, the crafted item isn't worth it. This is a common problem
with high level items.

I noticed something interesting with jewelcrafting: it seems to be
somewhat profitable after skill level 350. The reason is that there
isn't actually a reason to improve the skill above that very quickly,
so people have no reason to crash the market. My JC has skill level
372 now, and I haven't crafted any items which would require a skill
level higher than 350. I'll craft some in the future, but I'll
probably be at 375 before that.

CR> My own experience is zero - you make more money selling the raw
CR> materials. There isn't a single recipe I have where the end product is
CR> worth more than the materials would sell for. Sad, but true; I only
CR> keep leatherworking because I've had it a long time and still enjoy it,
CR> despite its uselessness as a money maker. At least I can make stuff for
CR> my leather/mail classes to wear.

Raw leather is too cheap (10-12g for 20 knothide leather) on my server but
armor kilts (+8 stamina) sell for 4-5g each and they sell rly good!
You can make 5 armor kilts for 20 leather and sell it for 25G so you can
double your money.

On 2007-10-26, Smid <smidscot DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> Enchanting isn't really a money maker, but can be good for supporting
> your alts equipment, not really a money maker.

Hm?
Enchanting is the profession least helping your alts.

OK, you can send BoE to your enchanter and back to your alt, but
you can't enchant BoP, quest rewards and so on for you alt -- which
are in most cases better than BoE and therefore more often weared.

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