Laiva / Something I stumbled over

emmel wrote:
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
>>>>> over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
>>>>> thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
>>>>> screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
>>>>>
>>>>> This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
>>>> After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
>>> Oh, sorry about that. I hadn't though about that. It just seemed the
>>> obvious choice to post it.
>>>
>>>> she's just about what I'd imagine too.
>>>>
>>>> But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie?
>>> Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
>>> part to cast would be Mynor.
>>> I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
>>> by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
>> You're the writer, so it is really your fault
>
> Of course it is, but I think one out of two isn't really that bad.

Might be a fluke.

>> I guess I want Laiva to be more mature.
>
> I don't think she'd be that damn thick headed then. And it wouldn't
> quite work for other reasons as well, I think.

Girls in puberty can be much worse. For one thing, they are much
stronger and taller and they understand better how the world works
(which equates more damage).

Add to that their disturbed emotional and moral systems and you've got
something pretty problematic!

>> Thank God there is Aya now!
>
> Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.

Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 1.

Still, she kicks ass, which is most important to me.

>> I am really not comfortable around children.
>
> No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
> children would have a problem with me.

Why would they have a problem with you? You could read them stories
right? Children *love* stories!

>> Even when I was younger I rather hang out with older people than with
>> youngsters my own age. Children are highly unpredictable to me and I
>
> Oh, yeah. Unpredictably, your name is Laiva. I wouldn't want to be
> responsible for that particular rascal. I don't think most children are
> that bad, though.

You mean they don't kill living creatures they feel threatened by?

>> don't feel like paying attention to them all the time (which is why
>> not getting my gf pregnant seems like a really good idea).
>
> That's something between you are her, obviously. Still, I don't think
> you would necessarily be bad as a father. IMHO own children are very
> different from anything else.

Thank you! But by the time I want children both me and my gf will
probably be too old for it (quite common in Holland according to recent
studies in the EU; we've got the highest number of dead before birth in
Europe, twice that of Germany).

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Thus Neo spoke:

> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>
>>>>>>> And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
>>>>>> WTF is Thunderdome?
>>>>> Apparently a regional reference.
>>>> Care to explain?
>>> It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
>>> Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
>>> to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
>>
>> I remember at least one of those... Anyway, wasn't weren't the Mad Max
>> movies kind of Australian?
>
> There aren't any sheep in Mad Max, so I don't think it took place in
> Australia.

It's post apocalyptical. You know, after the sheep brought the country
to its knees and subsequently died of overheating. You didn't think
anyone need all that wool, did you? It's for keeping them in line!
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Red Dragon wrote:
> Neo wrote:
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>>>> And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
>>>>>> WTF is Thunderdome?
>>>>> Apparently a regional reference.
>>>>
>>>> Care to explain?
>>>
>>> It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
>>> Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
>>> to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
>>
>> That is actually the worst movie of the trilogy imnsho. I mean, Mel
>> Gibson loses his car right at the beginning of the movie right? Mad Max
>> without a car just ... isn't.
>>
>> I happened to have a crush on 'warrior woman' Virginia Hey in episode 2
>> of Mad Max. I had tears in my eyes when she died at the end of the
>> movie. "You don't realize what you've got until it's gone" (slightly
>> unrelated).
>>
>> I have the trilogy on DVD btw
>>
>> Neo
>
> I've only ever seen the first one. It's just one of those movie series
> that invades culture, whether people know the origins or not.

Second episode is my favourite. The gang that terrorises the desert is
really brutal and their humour is totally dark.

I also think it is romantic in some way, but most people would watch it
for the action alone!

I would say watch beyond thunderdome if you are a big fan of Tina Turner
only.

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Thus Red Dragon spoke:

> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
>>> put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
>>> movies are called,
>>
>> Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
>> these kind of things say of me?
>
> I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
> sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
> much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
> information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
> don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.

Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
civilization, though.
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Thus Neo spoke:

> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
>>>>> put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
>>>>> movies are called,
>>>> Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
>>>> these kind of things say of me?
>>> I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
>>> sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
>>> much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
>>> information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
>>> don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
>>
>> Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
>> civilization, though.
>
> There is a really interesting movie about it by David Cronenberg called
> Videodrome. It stars with Blondie as an snuff movie actor and I believe
> she is still alive so they probably didn't hurt her.
>
> Lost Highway by David Lynch also has some snuff movie aspects but it is
> a lot more difficult to understand and it is more psychological, not
> horror like Videodrome. On the other hand, Marilyn Manson gets killed in
> lost highway iirc, but that is not really what the movie is about.

::shrugs::
I could say I have seen the one or other, but I'd be lying.
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Thus Neo spoke:

>>>> Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
>>>
>>> Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
>>> part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
>>> they *are* human after all.
>>>
>>
>> If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
>> offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
>> impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
>> the same species...
>
> Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
> technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.

With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
to have changed much in the last few millennia.
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emmel wrote:
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>>>>> Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
>>>> Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
>>>> part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
>>>> they *are* human after all.
>>>>
>>> If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
>>> offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
>>> impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
>>> the same species...
>> Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
>> technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
>
> With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
> diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
> to have changed much in the last few millennia.

::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow'

Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
that implies.

emmel wrote:
> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
>>>> put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
>>>> movies are called,
>>> Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
>>> these kind of things say of me?
>> I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
>> sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
>> much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
>> information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
>> don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
>
> Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
> civilization, though.

There is a really interesting movie about it by David Cronenberg called
Videodrome. It stars with Blondie as an snuff movie actor and I believe
she is still alive so they probably didn't hurt her.

Lost Highway by David Lynch also has some snuff movie aspects but it is
a lot more difficult to understand and it is more psychological, not
horror like Videodrome. On the other hand, Marilyn Manson gets killed in
lost highway iirc, but that is not really what the movie is about.

Neo
--
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Thus Red Dragon spoke:

> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>>> Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
>>>>> Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
>>>>> part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
>>>>> they *are* human after all.
>>>>>
>>>> If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
>>>> offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
>>>> impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
>>>> the same species...
>>> Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
>>> technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
>>
>> With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
>> diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
>> to have changed much in the last few millennia.
>
>::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow'

What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?

> Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
> learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
> that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
> about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
> that implies.

Oh, science away on me. And eggs obviously came before the chicken, as
birds are young compared to reptiles.
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emmel wrote:
> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>> Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
>>>>>> Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
>>>>>> part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
>>>>>> they *are* human after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
>>>>> offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
>>>>> impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
>>>>> the same species...
>>>> Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
>>>> technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
>>> With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
>>> diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
>>> to have changed much in the last few millennia.
>> ::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow'
>
> What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?

It just refers to two (or more) populations that have access to each
other and naturally mate with each other, thus keeping the genes similar
enough to maintain successful breeding between them.

If gene flow stops, that's when two new species may develop from the one.

>
>> Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
>> learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
>> that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
>> about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
>> that implies.
>
> Oh, science away on me. And eggs obviously came before the chicken, as
> birds are young compared to reptiles.

Darn straight.

Thus Red Dragon spoke:

> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>
>>> ::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow'
>>
>> What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?
>
> It just refers to two (or more) populations that have access to each
> other and naturally mate with each other, thus keeping the genes similar
> enough to maintain successful breeding between them.

Ah.

> If gene flow stops, that's when two new species may develop from the one.

::nods::

Through human populations were pretty much isolated until about a
hundred years or so ago.
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