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kerri

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:22 am
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Okay, so it was late a night, nobody was doing anything interesting, so I
figured why not try to put together a Kara PUG. I've never done it before,
and I found a shadow priest who also had never done it and was as crazy as
me. It took about an hour to put the pug together (lots of people wouldn't
join until we already had a nearly complete party). We ended up with 2 tanks,
2 and a half healers, one warlock, 2 hunters, a shadow priest, and some other
guy who I don't remember.

One of the guys was on my friend list, and had run kara before so I made him
leader. Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind of
compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
it. I pull out my imp and this only confuses things more, because we have a
discussion about whether we need to have both tanks in the same party as the
imp, so they can get the stam bonus. We finally enter the instance.

The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...

We manage to make our way to the first boss, surprisingly with no more wipes.
One of the hunters is having some lag issues, but I think he made it there
for the boss pull. There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
which tank. The tank pulls the boss, we get the horse to 95%, the rider
spawns, the tank on the horse is down, and I am immediately slaughtered. Wipe
#2.

We regroup at the boss. The guy who has the lag shows up a little late. We
see him being killed by respawn. Wipe #3.

One healer quits. We re-gear one of our DPSers as a healer, and pick up a
second shadow priest. Get part way through and have a bad pull. I think it
was a pat, a good effort, but we were fighting more mobs than we could
handle. Wipe #4.

Okay, we re-enter, make our way back to the first boss again and try the same
strategy. I don't remember what went wrong. Wipe #5.

We re-enter, and are caught by respawns. We run out. A few didn't make it.
Partial wipe #6.

Once more crawl through the respawns up to the first boss. A purple + shadow
dam necklace drops. Me an a shadow priest roll on it and I win (woohoo!). The
shadow priest was none too happy though. We discuss strategy again, swap the
tanks, and pull.

Doing better this time, one tank on horse, one tank on rider. The tank on the
horse goes down. Wipe #7.

By now it's really late (3am eastern), everyone is tired, gear is shot, and
we call it a night.

At least it was an experience though!

I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
of both.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:22 am
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On Dec 19, 11:22 am, ke... DeleteThis @spamsucks.com wrote:
> I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
> PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
> of both.

In Karazhan it helps A LOT if you know what to expect. When you go to
Attumen, you have only about 20 minutes of time to kill him after
killing the first trash mobs. After that the trash starts respawning
and you have to clear them again. You should also know how to boss
fights go. It is a good idea to check the strategy from wowwiki in
advance.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:22 am
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On 19 Dec, 09:22, ke....RemoveThis@spamsucks.com wrote:

> Doing better this time, one tank on horse, one tank on rider. The tank on the
> horse goes down. Wipe #7.
>
> By now it's really late (3am eastern), everyone is tired, gear is shot, and
> we call it a night.
>
> At least it was an experience though!

I think that you did very well for a PUG where only one person had
been before. Also, you did very well to go through 7 wipes before
breaking the group up.

And good on everyone to be willing to give it a try despite not being
properly geared, specced, experienced etc.

steve.kaye
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:07 am
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> I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
> PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a
> combination
> of both.

inexperience is a killer
among other things

first boss is the simple one though
it's the warm up boss Smile

most pugs get him down
then get stuck on moroes and his annoying add's
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:02 am
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On 19 Dec 2007 09:22:46 GMT, kerri.RemoveThis@spamsucks.com wrote:

> Okay, so it was late a night, nobody was doing anything interesting, so I
> figured why not try to put together a Kara PUG. I've never done it before,
> and I found a shadow priest who also had never done it and was as crazy as
> me. It took about an hour to put the pug together (lots of people wouldn't
> join until we already had a nearly complete party). We ended up with 2 tanks,
> 2 and a half healers, one warlock, 2 hunters, a shadow priest, and some other
> guy who I don't remember.
>
> One of the guys was on my friend list, and had run kara before so I made him
> leader. Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
> them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind of
> compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
> it. I pull out my imp and this only confuses things more, because we have a
> discussion about whether we need to have both tanks in the same party as the
> imp, so they can get the stam bonus. We finally enter the instance.
>
> The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
> well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
> only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
> ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...
>
> We manage to make our way to the first boss, surprisingly with no more wipes.
> One of the hunters is having some lag issues, but I think he made it there
> for the boss pull. There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
> which tank. The tank pulls the boss, we get the horse to 95%, the rider
> spawns, the tank on the horse is down, and I am immediately slaughtered. Wipe
> #2.
>
> We regroup at the boss. The guy who has the lag shows up a little late. We
> see him being killed by respawn. Wipe #3.
>
> One healer quits. We re-gear one of our DPSers as a healer, and pick up a
> second shadow priest. Get part way through and have a bad pull. I think it
> was a pat, a good effort, but we were fighting more mobs than we could
> handle. Wipe #4.
>
> Okay, we re-enter, make our way back to the first boss again and try the same
> strategy. I don't remember what went wrong. Wipe #5.
>
> We re-enter, and are caught by respawns. We run out. A few didn't make it.
> Partial wipe #6.
>
> Once more crawl through the respawns up to the first boss. A purple + shadow
> dam necklace drops. Me an a shadow priest roll on it and I win (woohoo!). The
> shadow priest was none too happy though. We discuss strategy again, swap the
> tanks, and pull.
>
> Doing better this time, one tank on horse, one tank on rider. The tank on the
> horse goes down. Wipe #7.
>
> By now it's really late (3am eastern), everyone is tired, gear is shot, and
> we call it a night.
>
> At least it was an experience though!
>
> I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
> PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
> of both.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader:
> .... http://www.sb-software.com/android
> -----------------------------------------------------------

starting on karazhan i'd either try to join an experienced group (with
maybe experienced twinks) or the old fashioned way and try to make up a
fixed day or fixed days with these new-to-the-instance people and learn
your way up. try working on everybody to upgrade their gear outside the
instance (heroics rep rewards etc)

most important of all, learn the instance together.
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SpaceGirl

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:02 am
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On Dec 19, 11:02 am, Mark Neil Konrad <nos....DeleteThis@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2007 09:22:46 GMT, ke....DeleteThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Okay, so it was late a night, nobody was doing anything interesting, so I
> > figured why not try to put together a Kara PUG. I've never done it before,
> > and I found a shadow priest who also had never done it and was as crazy as
> > me. It took about an hour to put the pug together (lots of people wouldn't
> > join until we already had a nearly complete party). We ended up with 2 tanks,
> > 2 and a half healers, one warlock, 2 hunters, a shadow priest, and some other
> > guy who I don't remember.
>
> > One of the guys was on my friend list, and had run kara before so I made him
> > leader. Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
> > them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind of
> > compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
> > it. I pull out my imp and this only confuses things more, because we have a
> > discussion about whether we need to have both tanks in the same party as the
> > imp, so they can get the stam bonus. We finally enter the instance.
>
> > The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
> > well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
> > only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
> > ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...
>
> > We manage to make our way to the first boss, surprisingly with no more wipes.
> > One of the hunters is having some lag issues, but I think he made it there
> > for the boss pull. There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
> > which tank. The tank pulls the boss, we get the horse to 95%, the rider
> > spawns, the tank on the horse is down, and I am immediately slaughtered. Wipe
> > #2.
>
> > We regroup at the boss. The guy who has the lag shows up a little late. We
> > see him being killed by respawn. Wipe #3.
>
> > One healer quits. We re-gear one of our DPSers as a healer, and pick up a
> > second shadow priest. Get part way through and have a bad pull. I think it
> > was a pat, a good effort, but we were fighting more mobs than we could
> > handle. Wipe #4.
>
> > Okay, we re-enter, make our way back to the first boss again and try the same
> > strategy. I don't remember what went wrong. Wipe #5.
>
> > We re-enter, and are caught by respawns. We run out. A few didn't make it.
> > Partial wipe #6.
>
> > Once more crawl through the respawns up to the first boss. A purple + shadow
> > dam necklace drops. Me an a shadow priest roll on it and I win (woohoo!). The
> > shadow priest was none too happy though. We discuss strategy again, swap the
> > tanks, and pull.
>
> > Doing better this time, one tank on horse, one tank on rider. The tank on the
> > horse goes down. Wipe #7.
>
> > By now it's really late (3am eastern), everyone is tired, gear is shot, and
> > we call it a night.
>
> > At least it was an experience though!
>
> > I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
> > PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
> > of both.
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader:
> > ....http://www.sb-software.com/android
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> starting on karazhan i'd either try to join an experienced group (with
> maybe experienced twinks) or the old fashioned way and try to make up a
> fixed day or fixed days with these new-to-the-instance people and learn
> your way up. try working on everybody to upgrade their gear outside the
> instance (heroics rep rewards etc)
>
> most important of all, learn the instance together.

I agree. I had my first run 2 weeks ago with an experience guild. I
had no clue what was going on, but the raid leader clearly told each
of us what was to be expected and what we had to do. It went very
smoothly. We made it to the Chess Room (and won!) and called it a
night at that point. Lot of fun! I got Dorothy's slippers from the Oz
section, and an epic staff dropped, which the other mage got (I was
very very pissed off, as she has full spellfire gear vs my mostly-
blues... raid leader should have given me the staff). Oh well. Still
it was a fantastic run.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:02 am
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On Dec 19, 2:16 pm, candid... RemoveThis @gmail.com (Candido) wrote:
> SpaceGirl <nothespacegirls... RemoveThis @subhuman.net> wrote:
> > section, and an epic staff dropped, which the other mage got (I was
> > very very pissed off, as she has full spellfire gear vs my mostly-
> > blues... raid leader should have given me the staff)
>
> You was at your first run and got a drop, respect people who did more
> then you, spending LOT more then you. Wink
>
> DKP helps on that.
> --
> Candido

It was her first run Smile Anyway I'm over it hehe. Another guildy felt
sorry for me and bought me a very nice staff (better the one I had,
but not epic). Plus even with her fancy spellfire gear and nice staff,
I still have 1000 more mana and 800 more health than she does. There
is some competition for places on our runs - our guild is not large
enough yet to do more than one run a week, and we have 4 mages wanting
to run it. Logically only the best ones are picked for the boss
bits... so if I don't have the best gear I wont get picked... which
means I don't get the chance for the best drops. Blah. Currently
earning my place each week by volunteering for every instance run,
where ever it is, so that I have the experience. But for a firemage my
DPS is low compared to others Sad
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:04 am
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In article
<d4bb8058-3d51-44a9-b2ca-e718d14ab434 RemoveThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
SpaceGirl <nothespacegirlspam RemoveThis @subhuman.net> wrote:

> I got Dorothy's slippers from the Oz
> section, and an epic staff dropped, which the other mage got (I was
> very very pissed off, as she has full spellfire gear vs my mostly-
> blues... raid leader should have given me the staff). Oh well. Still
> it was a fantastic run.

Giving loot based on least-effective current gear is bad. It penalizes
the folks (like your mage raid-mate) who spent countless hours grinding
a crafted set in order to more useful to the raid. It also encourages
well-geared folks to avoid your groups in the future (or worse, leave
your guild for a better one) because they know that your loot system
will probably shut them out. Likewise, giving loot based on
most-effective performance (highest dps, best healer, etc) has a similar
negative effect of keeping poor players poor and pushing the rich
players out of the raids altogether due to loot table exhaustion. Much
better to use a DKP merit system that rewards effort, or just dumb luck
via rolls in the case of PUGs.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:36 am
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ke....RemoveThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
> Okay, so it was late a night, nobody was doing anything interesting, so I
> figured why not try to put together a Kara PUG. I've never done it before,
> and I found a shadow priest who also had never done it and was as crazy as
> me. It took about an hour to put the pug together (lots of people wouldn't
> join until we already had a nearly complete party). We ended up with 2 tanks,
> 2 and a half healers, one warlock, 2 hunters, a shadow priest, and some other
> guy who I don't remember.
>
> One of the guys was on my friend list, and had run kara before so I made him
> leader. Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
> them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind of
> compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
> it. I pull out my imp and this only confuses things more, because we have a
> discussion about whether we need to have both tanks in the same party as the
> imp, so they can get the stam bonus. We finally enter the instance.
>
> The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
> well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
> only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
> ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...
>
> We manage to make our way to the first boss, surprisingly with no more wipes.
> One of the hunters is having some lag issues, but I think he made it there
> for the boss pull. There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
> which tank. The tank pulls the boss, we get the horse to 95%, the rider
> spawns, the tank on the horse is down, and I am immediately slaughtered. Wipe
> #2.
>
> We regroup at the boss. The guy who has the lag shows up a little late. We
> see him being killed by respawn. Wipe #3.
>
> One healer quits. We re-gear one of our DPSers as a healer, and pick up a
> second shadow priest. Get part way through and have a bad pull. I think it
> was a pat, a good effort, but we were fighting more mobs than we could
> handle. Wipe #4.
>
> Okay, we re-enter, make our way back to the first boss again and try the same
> strategy. I don't remember what went wrong. Wipe #5.
>
> We re-enter, and are caught by respawns. We run out. A few didn't make it.
> Partial wipe #6.
>
> Once more crawl through the respawns up to the first boss. A purple + shadow
> dam necklace drops. Me an a shadow priest roll on it and I win (woohoo!). The
> shadow priest was none too happy though. We discuss strategy again, swap the
> tanks, and pull.
>
> Doing better this time, one tank on horse, one tank on rider. The tank on the
> horse goes down. Wipe #7.
>
> By now it's really late (3am eastern), everyone is tired, gear is shot, and
> we call it a night.
>
> At least it was an experience though!
>
> I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
> PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
> of both.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader:
> .... http://www.sb-software.com/android
> -----------------------------------------------------------

Hey way to go. The ice is broken. My wife and I went for hte first
time ourselves last Sunday night.

We only had time for that first boss fight. It was victory for us but
then again I expected it to be. It was a bunch of guildmates and a few
from our sister-raiding guild.

We shall return. As will you.

GRATS!

Three cheers for our first visit to Kara!

OH! OH! OH!

Orion
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:09 pm
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Quick question: did you have voice comms going? If not, I can almost
guarantee you that with just one person who knew the fight, voice
comms would have resulted in a dead boss Smile. Built-in system sucks
compared to Vent or TS, but for a pug like this I highly recommend
using it.

Second thing, which has been somewhat mentioned already, is that you
NEED a well-defined leader (or set of leaders - no more than 3 people
in a 25 man, and no more than 2 in a 10 man) who calls the shots. If
they assign a healer to a certain duty or person, that healer must do
that. No if's, and's, but's, or "but I wannas". Do that, and with
even moderate gear, any coordinated group can make it to at least
Curator.

Mike
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:54 pm
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kerri RemoveThis @spamsucks.com <kerri RemoveThis @spamsucks.com> wrote:
> ... Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
> them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind of
> compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
> it.

> ... There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
> which tank. ...

Really? Perhaps the healers were inexperienced in raids.

Personally I don't care at all about who's in which group - healing someone
in another group is no different to healing someone in my own group.

Also, in karazhan there's no real need for assigned healing (My general
rule of thumb is: heal whoever needs it, give priority to people with aggro).

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:54 pm
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In article <4769309c$0$8415$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
Zil <zen13097.TakeThisOut@zen.co.uk> wrote:

> kerri.TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com <kerri.TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com> wrote:
> > ... Well he wanted to do the groups one way, the healers wanted to do
> > them another, and the tanks had yet another idea. We end up with some kind
> > of
> > compromised grouping and the healers keep griping, but they seem to accept
> > it.
>
> > ... There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
> > which tank. ...
>
> Really? Perhaps the healers were inexperienced in raids.
>
> Personally I don't care at all about who's in which group - healing someone
> in another group is no different to healing someone in my own group.

Yeah that was my suspicion too. I think there's a common problem among
people new to raiding where they still stick to the default group frame
and either don't know about the raid frames or can't be bothered to look
into it, or to get a mod that improves on it. And getting people to
change their mods, UI, or key setup is remarkably hard even when it's
hurting the raid in a big way.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:16 pm
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SpaceGirl <nothespacegirlspam.DeleteThis@subhuman.net> wrote:

> section, and an epic staff dropped, which the other mage got (I was
> very very pissed off, as she has full spellfire gear vs my mostly-
> blues... raid leader should have given me the staff)

You was at your first run and got a drop, respect people who did more
then you, spending LOT more then you. Wink

DKP helps on that.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:05 pm
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kerri.TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com writes:
>The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
>well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
>only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
>ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...

Snort. Don't talk to the NPCs in Kara, with the exception of the caretaker
in the front. They all are either distractions (to make you do exactly what
you did here), or they are event starters.

>for the boss pull. There is some argument about which healer will be assigned
>which tank. The tank pulls the boss, we get the horse to 95%, the rider
>spawns, the tank on the horse is down, and I am immediately slaughtered. Wipe
>#2.

Ouch. Next time, instruct everyone to start out slow, and stop DPS the
moment Attumen appears, until the tanks and healers have everything under
control. Attumen's tank has to be ready for a snap taunt.

>We regroup at the boss. The guy who has the lag shows up a little late. We
>see him being killed by respawn. Wipe #3.

The respawn on Attumen's trash is stupidly fast. To give yourself more
time, learn to pull them quickly. You only have a half hour.

>One healer quits. We re-gear one of our DPSers as a healer, and pick up a
>second shadow priest. Get part way through and have a bad pull. I think it
>was a pat, a good effort, but we were fighting more mobs than we could
>handle. Wipe #4.

There is one roaming group, and a handful of wanderers in this section. The
stablehands heal the horses - kill them first. Also, shackles are your
friend.

>Once more crawl through the respawns up to the first boss. A purple + shadow
>dam necklace drops. Me an a shadow priest roll on it and I win (woohoo!). The
>shadow priest was none too happy though. We discuss strategy again, swap the
>tanks, and pull.

Rittsyn's lost pendant? Congratulations, that's one of the highest +damage
necklaces you can ever get. It took 3 months of weekly Karazhan before I
got mine.

>I'm not sure if the problem was bad gear, or if it was just that we were a
>PUG, and didn't have any experience working together. Probably a combination
>of both.

Mostly the latter I would guess. Unless everyone is in greens, Attumen is
quite doable. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:05 pm
Post subject: Re: My very first Kara raid [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <13migb6nnmqnd29.TakeThisOut@news.supernews.com>,
pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:

> kerri.TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com writes:
> >The very first thing I do is see someone called the "nightman" and think,
> >well I ought to walk up to him, after all he doesn't appear hostile and the
> >only thing around him are a couple of relatively benign horses. Wipe #1
> >ensues. Okay, not gonna do that again...
>
> Snort. Don't talk to the NPCs in Kara, with the exception of the caretaker
> in the front. They all are either distractions (to make you do exactly what
> you did here), or they are event starters.

There's also Koren and Ythyar, who are fairly helpful (though Koren
requires Honored with Violet Eye).
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