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Since: May 11, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:05 am
Post subject: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? Archived from groups: alt>games>warcraft (more info?)
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When hunters were first introduced, I was one of those who refused to
create one because EVERYBODY created one, and because I thought they
were overpowered. I'd rather be the underdog and enjoy my victories
than the favorite to win in every match by virtue of my class alone.
That's just me.
Hunters, though, have been nerfed a bit over the initial version, and
until recently, I considered them a fair and useful addition to the
game. I even created a hunter of my own, that I enjoyed playing.
But WHAT THE HELL is up with the snake traps?! You set down a trap on
a PVE server and just because YOU want to attack a low-level character
in PVP combat YOU get to make that decision alone? What is up with
this one guys? You put down a trap and the other guy has no
choice...while minding his own business he gets attacked by the snakes
and is suddenly PVP.
Blizzard seriously needs to fix this. It's a load of dung IMHO. They
have PVP servers, battlegrounds, and arenas for this. Why should a
single class' feature change the whole ruleset of a PVE server?
I demand representation: a rogue pet, kiting spells, and a rogue sap
that both saps you and turns on your PVP flag in one move. Better
yet...I'll accept the ability to pick pocket other players at will
with no chance of being detected. Sounds about even to me. How about
that Blizz.?! And I'll take these features now please, or are hunters
paying more to play than everybody else...no, I didn't think so.
Now, I just can't wait to see what Blizz is going to do with warlocks
given they have already provided them the ability to see through
stealth, felhound minions who do the same via paranoia, and kiting
skills that would leave Benjamin Franklin envious. It's gonna be a
doozy whatever it is. |
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Since: Jan 31, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:24 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 31, 12:05 pm, Tib <pats....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> When hunters were first introduced, I was one of those who refused to
> create one because EVERYBODY created one, and because I thought they
> were overpowered. I'd rather be the underdog and enjoy my victories
> than the favorite to win in every match by virtue of my class alone.
> That's just me.
>
> Hunters, though, have been nerfed a bit over the initial version, and
> until recently, I considered them a fair and useful addition to the
> game. I even created a hunter of my own, that I enjoyed playing.
>
> But WHAT THE HELL is up with the snake traps?! You set down a trap on
> a PVE server and just because YOU want to attack a low-level character
> in PVP combat YOU get to make that decision alone? What is up with
> this one guys? You put down a trap and the other guy has no
> choice...while minding his own business he gets attacked by the snakes
> and is suddenly PVP.
>
> Blizzard seriously needs to fix this. It's a load of dung IMHO. They
> have PVP servers, battlegrounds, and arenas for this. Why should a
> single class' feature change the whole ruleset of a PVE server?
>
> I demand representation: a rogue pet, kiting spells, and a rogue sap
> that both saps you and turns on your PVP flag in one move. Better
> yet...I'll accept the ability to pick pocket other players at will
> with no chance of being detected. Sounds about even to me. How about
> that Blizz.?! And I'll take these features now please, or are hunters
> paying more to play than everybody else...no, I didn't think so.
>
> Now, I just can't wait to see what Blizz is going to do with warlocks
> given they have already provided them the ability to see through
> stealth, felhound minions who do the same via paranoia, and kiting
> skills that would leave Benjamin Franklin envious. It's gonna be a
> doozy whatever it is.
I totally agree with you. There was a high level ally hunter doing
this in the barrens recently.
I noticed that I didn't flag pvp if I didn't fight back. That snakes
are bad enough to kill a low level character though. He had a ally
buddy so i didn't go get my main and take him out.
I just moved out of the area think 'what a loser'.
Mike |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:26 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Tib" <patsmsg.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: When hunters were first introduced, I was one of those who refused to
: create one because EVERYBODY created one, and because I thought they
: were overpowered. I'd rather be the underdog and enjoy my victories
: than the favorite to win in every match by virtue of my class alone.
: That's just me.
:
: Hunters, though, have been nerfed a bit over the initial version, and
: until recently, I considered them a fair and useful addition to the
: game. I even created a hunter of my own, that I enjoyed playing.
:
: But WHAT THE HELL is up with the snake traps?! You set down a trap on
: a PVE server and just because YOU want to attack a low-level character
: in PVP combat YOU get to make that decision alone? What is up with
: this one guys? You put down a trap and the other guy has no
: choice...while minding his own business he gets attacked by the snakes
: and is suddenly PVP.
:
: Blizzard seriously needs to fix this. It's a load of dung IMHO. They
: have PVP servers, battlegrounds, and arenas for this. Why should a
: single class' feature change the whole ruleset of a PVE server?
:
: I demand representation: a rogue pet, kiting spells, and a rogue sap
: that both saps you and turns on your PVP flag in one move. Better
: yet...I'll accept the ability to pick pocket other players at will
: with no chance of being detected. Sounds about even to me. How about
: that Blizz.?! And I'll take these features now please, or are hunters
: paying more to play than everybody else...no, I didn't think so.
:
: Now, I just can't wait to see what Blizz is going to do with warlocks
: given they have already provided them the ability to see through
: stealth, felhound minions who do the same via paranoia, and kiting
: skills that would leave Benjamin Franklin envious. It's gonna be a
: doozy whatever it is.
LOL,, as long as the player doesn't attempt to hit back at the snakes he won't be flagged
PvP.
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Since: May 11, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
kill low-level characters who are not flagged. |
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Since: Dec 10, 2007 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:36 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, Tib <pats... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
> kill low-level characters who are not flagged.
There are a lot more rules as far as PvP griefing on PvE servers, did
you try reporting him? |
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Since: May 11, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:49 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 31, 1:36 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, Tib <pats....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
> > kill low-level characters who are not flagged.
>
> There are a lot more rules as far as PvP griefing on PvE servers, did
> you try reporting him?
No...I didn't report him. It happened to me on a Pally-alt. I saw the
two 70 tauren hunters standing there, and was intending to ignore
them, but I was busy fighting 2 ogres (I'm hedgehog build, so no
problem) and I did not realize snakes had even engaged the snakes
before they killed my and I saw my PVP flag had come on. The hunters
killed me, not the snakes, but they were damaging me.
I logged out and onto my rogue and caught up with them raiding rebel
camp. I killed one, and then it turned into a big us versus them and
their friends at sentinel hill.
I have other family members who this has happened to since, and it is
my understanding that they did report it. No word on any response yet. |
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Since: May 02, 2007 Posts: 141
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:56 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, Tib <pats....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 1:36 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, Tib <pats....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
> > > kill low-level characters who are not flagged.
>
> > There are a lot more rules as far as PvP griefing on PvE servers, did
> > you try reporting him?
>
> No...I didn't report him. It happened to me on a Pally-alt. I saw the
> two 70 tauren hunters standing there, and was intending to ignore
> them, but I was busy fighting 2 ogres (I'm hedgehog build, so no
> problem) and I did not realize snakes had even engaged the snakes
> before they killed my and I saw my PVP flag had come on. The hunters
> killed me, not the snakes, but they were damaging me.
>
> I logged out and onto my rogue and caught up with them raiding rebel
> camp. I killed one, and then it turned into a big us versus them and
> their friends at sentinel hill.
>
> I have other family members who this has happened to since, and it is
> my understanding that they did report it. No word on any response yet.
Umm, the snakes don't chase you that far, just jog off a bit and don't
hit them.
Although I could see how a lvl 70's snake trap might take down a low
level character fairly quickly... |
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Since: Dec 10, 2007 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:58 am
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Jan 31, 2:49 pm, Tib <pats....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 1:36 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, Tib <pats....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
> > > kill low-level characters who are not flagged.
>
> > There are a lot more rules as far as PvP griefing on PvE servers, did
> > you try reporting him?
>
> No...I didn't report him. It happened to me on a Pally-alt. I saw the
> two 70 tauren hunters standing there, and was intending to ignore
> them, but I was busy fighting 2 ogres (I'm hedgehog build, so no
> problem) and I did not realize snakes had even engaged the snakes
> before they killed my and I saw my PVP flag had come on. The hunters
> killed me, not the snakes, but they were damaging me.
>
> I logged out and onto my rogue and caught up with them raiding rebel
> camp. I killed one, and then it turned into a big us versus them and
> their friends at sentinel hill.
>
> I have other family members who this has happened to since, and it is
> my understanding that they did report it. No word on any response yet.
Yeah, I can see why they would have targeted you then. The way it
works is they duel each other, one throws down a snake trap, and the
other triggers the trap, releasing the snakes, and with the 2nd one
being a hunter, just feign death so they attack something else. In
your case however, since you were already fighting ogres, as a
hedgehog pally all they had to do was trigger the trap near you, and
your AoE style of play would have handled the rest. Attacking the
snakes puts on your PvP flag.
As far as responses from GM's on the sort of harassment, they'll never
tell you what they outcome of their investigation is. Some kind of
privacy issue. The only way you'll ever really know if anything
happened is by making a horde alt and putting their names on your
friends list. If you log on and get a message saying they were
removed from your friends list because they no longer exist, then you
know something happened.
The only issue is just how should this be changed. If they change it
so attacking the snakes does not flag you for PvP, it opens up the
possibility of non-flagged players griefing any hunter who happens to
use that trap for some reason. The other option would be to only
allow the snakes to attack mobs and players who are flagged, which
would probably be the best solution. |
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Since: May 11, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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From what I read on wowwiki it is a level 68 skill. I don't know that
from experience, but if you are rolling a hunter, it may be a while
before you get it. |
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Since: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 16
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:35 pm
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:05:13 -0800 (PST), Tib <patsmsg DeleteThis @gmail.com>
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>When hunters were first introduced, I was one of those who refused to
>create one because EVERYBODY created one, and because I thought they
>were overpowered. I'd rather be the underdog and enjoy my victories
>than the favorite to win in every match by virtue of my class alone.
>That's just me.
>
>Hunters, though, have been nerfed a bit over the initial version, and
>until recently, I considered them a fair and useful addition to the
>game. I even created a hunter of my own, that I enjoyed playing.
>
>But WHAT THE HELL is up with the snake traps?! You set down a trap on
>a PVE server and just because YOU want to attack a low-level character
>in PVP combat YOU get to make that decision alone? What is up with
>this one guys? You put down a trap and the other guy has no
>choice...while minding his own business he gets attacked by the snakes
>and is suddenly PVP.
>
>
What....wait...what?
Really? I've never rolled a hunter and I've never run into
this...really? |
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Since: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 801
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:41 pm
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"Tib" <patsmsg.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Blizzard seriously needs to fix this. It's a load of dung IMHO. They
> have PVP servers, battlegrounds, and arenas for this. Why should a
> single class' feature change the whole ruleset of a PVE server?
They're working on it.
Blue post here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4311162936&sid=1&pageNo=2
"Egads! Another Snake Trap thread?
Okay, I'ma break it down for you:
1) Yes, we are aware of this issue, Virginia.
2) Yes, we are working hard to resolve it, but the snakes are ornery, and
it's more complicated than it seems. Hopefully it won't be an issue soon,
though.
3) Yes, you can get into lots of trouble for exploiting your little slithery
buddies to flag/kill unflagged players. If you see this happening, report
it.
4) No, it doesn't matter what kind of realm type you're on. You can wait a
few levels to start ganking them, k?
5) Indiana Jones hates you if you do this. "
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I know from personal experience that non-flagged players can drop snake
traps that attack non-flagged players. You're dead, someone killed you, and
if all of your friends log on to avenge you, well, the other guy is still
not flagged....
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Since: Jan 28, 2008 Posts: 37
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:52 pm
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Since: Jan 02, 2008 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:21 pm
Post subject: Re: What IDIOT Came up with the Snake Trap? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:05:13 -0800 (PST), Tib wrote:
> But WHAT THE HELL is up with the snake traps?! You set down a trap on a
> PVE server and just because YOU want to attack a low-level character in
> PVP combat YOU get to make that decision alone? What is up with this one
> guys? You put down a trap and the other guy has no choice...while
> minding his own business he gets attacked by the snakes and is suddenly
> PVP.
I'll admit to having a blast with this when my hunter got to 70 and I was
bored. But it has since worn off and I can understand how it needs to be
fixed.
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Since: Nov 09, 2006 Posts: 13
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:21 pm
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:05:13 -0800, Tib wrote:
snip rant/whine
It's a bug. It will be fixed. Calm down, fer pete's sake, yer gonna hurt
yourself whining that hard.
If a hunter abuses that bug, report him. He'll get a nice 3 day ban to
show him the error of his ways.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:31 am
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"Aboo" <jhemphill.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 31, 1:49 pm, Tib <pats....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 31, 1:36 pm, lcpltom <lcpl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, Tib <pats....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Why should it flag at all. It's a trap, not a pet. And the snakes do
>> > > kill low-level characters who are not flagged.
>>
>> > There are a lot more rules as far as PvP griefing on PvE servers, did
>> > you try reporting him?
>>
>> No...I didn't report him. It happened to me on a Pally-alt. I saw the
>> two 70 tauren hunters standing there, and was intending to ignore
>> them, but I was busy fighting 2 ogres (I'm hedgehog build, so no
>> problem) and I did not realize snakes had even engaged the snakes
>> before they killed my and I saw my PVP flag had come on. The hunters
>> killed me, not the snakes, but they were damaging me.
>>
>> I logged out and onto my rogue and caught up with them raiding rebel
>> camp. I killed one, and then it turned into a big us versus them and
>> their friends at sentinel hill.
>>
>> I have other family members who this has happened to since, and it is
>> my understanding that they did report it. No word on any response yet.
>
>
> Umm, the snakes don't chase you that far, just jog off a bit and don't
> hit them.
>
> Although I could see how a lvl 70's snake trap might take down a low
> level character fairly quickly...
>
If you're a Paladin dropping consecrations won't this trigger pvp or a Mage
mid AoE or whatever? Or even passive dmg shields? If aoe or dmg shields do
damage to them and trigger pvp flag I'd have to say it would be impossible
to avoid unless you were expecting it and very ready. |
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