Hunter talent specs - whats good and whats not

On Jan 26, 5:48 am, "And!" <a... DeleteThis @example.com> wrote:
> <thadrix... DeleteThis @wow.com> wrote in message
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>
> >I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
> > BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
> > specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
> > Warlocks Den.
>
> > I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
> > weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
> > the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>
> > FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
> > the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24
>
> http://bigredkitty.blogpot.com/
>
>

Yep, BRK ftw! There's a 'where to put your first 40 points' to
build a BM hunter on there. The guy's good.

<thadrixorf DeleteThis @wow.com> wrote in message
news:8onkp3p5vv8fs0piclanjv35g5b1bfb1gm@4ax.com...
>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
> Warlocks Den.
>
> I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
> weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
> the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>
> FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
> the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24
>

Direct reply... I have no page for BM talent specs.

Indirect reply... I leveled 2 BM's to 60 pre-xpac. If that interests you,
read on.

BM is my fave solo spec. I love hunters mainly because they have pets. Now
to specifics.

Overview --- BM you need to balance the strength of the pet with your own
dps. What you are striving for is the ability to keep your pet alive and
keep aggro on it while you do the majority of the dps without drawing aggro.
This is the "balance" of the BM solo spec. Raiding Hunters go completely to
dps and rely on Misdirection for pulling purposes and Feign Death to
mitigate aggro. A raiding hunter will draw on the Marks tree and a bit of
Survival Tree for max dps. They disregard the pet and indeed seldom call a
pet. The BM is a different animal, pardon the pun. If you want to walk the
fine line between BM and Raiding then you need to contribute dps, cc (crowd
control), control your pet and, preferably, a talented dps aura to your raid
group.

The best BM approach (imho) is to balance pet survivability/aggro with
Hunter dps as I stated above. The only Marks tree skills worth pursuing as
a BM (based on the number of points available to invest) is 3 points in Hawk
Eye. This garners you a greater range as the primary dpser in your
Hunter/Pet partnership. Beyond that the points should go toward 1) Making
your pet survivable, 2) Getting your pet to the target and aggroing it as
much as possible and 3) Doing substantial dps yourself so you don't end up
taking forever to kill stuff. These are not necessarily in order of
priority. They fluctuate according to your play style.

The point is to make sure, in the end, the mob dies before it gets to you,
whether or not you have to rez your pet. The subsidiary point is to make
sure the mob dies quickly. If you meet these goals you have specced a good
BM hunter.

Now to the nitty gritty (and solely my opinion)... I suggest the following
spec for BM... in order of point allocation...

Marks tree - Improved Concussive Shot 5/5. If the stun works it gives you a
lot of breathing room so I start with this one at the early levels since
it's not so critcial then where you put points.

Next, BM tree - Endurance Training 5/5 - beefs up the pet for survivability.
Next five points depend on how you play but all in BM Focused Fire/Improved
Aspect of the Hawk/Thick Hide. You choose how you want to allocate in those
3. Think about your play style, how you dps, how much your pet takes melee
damage, etc. I like a balance so I lean toward maxing them all eventually.
But at this point put 5 in what you consider the most important atm.

The next 6 I would put into BM 1/1 Bestial Swiftness and 5/5 Unleashed Fury.
That gives you a rapid approach without Dash and without Charge. Add it to
Dash and Charge and it's hella fast. Unleashed Fury sets you up for a pet
that is not just a 'tag-along' but meaningfully contributes to dps and more.

Next 6 are Improved Mend Pet (to cure poison, disease etc. can be done at
minimal mana with Level 1 Mend Pet spell) and 5/5 Ferocity. Ferocity sets
up some really tasty things when the pet crits (e.g. Frenzy).

The next point is in BM Intimidation. If things are going badly, being able
to stun the target mob or in pvp the target player with your pet is very
valuable. Time to set a trap, run away, feign, whatever. As a BM hunter
you dps but you ALSO distract/interrupt/stop mobs/players. Keep that in
mind while speccing.

At about this point you need to decide whether you want greater range at all
times or if you want to invest more in your pet. If you group a lot or want
a bit more time to feign, it might be worth putting your 3 points in the
Survival tree 3/3 Hawkeye, at this point. It also is nice for PvP since it
puts you on a par with the max cast etc distance of the other classes. So
you won't be at a disadvantage if you take on say a Lock or Mage in PvP...
you'll have the same distance to shoot them as they have to 'shoot' you.

If the above is not a consideration continue in BM 5/5 Frenzy. With the
previous points, this makes your pet a very formidable dps dealer. He can't
match you when you climb into Marks further, but the pet still does
substantial damage and interrupts casters regularly at this point (a la pvp
vs. casters or to a lesser degree pve vs. caster npcs). This also sets you
up for improved Hunter dps based on dps boosts based on pet crits (which
incidentally go to your entire group when you are grouped, but only to you
when you are solo).

My next point I like BM Bestial Wrath. When you turn the pet red there is
no Fear etc. that can effect your pet. That is substantial. Dwarf Priests
make a living being able to make the MT fearless. This is your equivalent
skill that accrues to your pet. Add Feign and this is a great great great
skill. In PvP it is priceless. Send the Wrathed pet at a Lock with the
precursors listed above and you will make a lock afraid. One of my Hunters
is a PvP lock killer. Bottom line... I get the first hit, the lock dies.
Bestial Wrath makes this possible.

Next 3 points, BM Ferocious Inspiration. This is probably the only skill
that will get you in a hardcore raid as a BM. The aura is very very nice.
Hopefully at this point you have learned how to use your pet without
grabbing aggro in a raid. With the other skills he will crit early and
often so this Aura will be continuous. With AoE bosses it is tougher.
There will be a lot of strategic /pet atack /pet follow. This is where the
raid BM hunter differentiates from the solo BM hunter. How to kick the aura
in without killing the pet. It's all about timing. From a solo perspective
though, Ferocious Inspiration adds dps and kills mobs faster. No downside
other than the usual aggro management to keep aggro on the pet.
Feign/ESC/turn back on mob (turn keys) are essential here when you overdo
your specials or crits and rapid fires draw aggro to you... hopefully you've
learned this by now.

Next 3 points BM Serpent's Swiftness (SS). Again, adding to your and your
pet's dps. Also consider the below first if you do PvP regularly.
Arguably, for hunters who PvE, SS should follow The Beast Within (TBW) for a
balanced BM. Largely depends on point allocation to date (i.e. do you have
enough points to spec TBW?).

Next point, BM The Beast Within. This extends Bestial Wrath to you as well.
No Fear and more dps... good for a hunter, especially in PvP, but many
applications with fearing bosses in PvE as well. With this point you are at
the top of the BM tree.

Assuming you have already picked up Hawk Eye in the Survival tree earlier
(if not 3/3 it at this point), now it's time for the Marks Tree. 5/5
Improved Hunter's Mark. This is nice in groups or raids where your mark
improves all melee hits as well.

Marks 2/2 Go for the Throat next. This allows your pet to regen focus
faster, thus more Claws if you use a cat, i.e. more pet dps more pet dps
aggro. If you never use Claw with a cat, go to the next paragraph.

The next points are personal choices but I like Marks 1/1 Aimed shot when
you need that big hit with the potential for a very big crit. This is
rarely needed, but I like a bit of flexibility just in case. I also
like 2/2 Rapid Killing since it's nice to be able to use Rapid Fire more
often (big dps boost) and it adds some general dps boost as well even when
your not using Rapid Fire (part of the Pet dps/Hunter dps balance).

If you have not added all the above points you will have points left over.
This means you have a play style different than mine *gasp*... lol. That's
what makes WoW fun. If you have points left over, allocate them along your
play style, which requires that you identify what your play style is. There
is no 'wrong' answer to Talent allocation. It really depends on what style
of play you want to adopt. You may respecc a few times until you are happy.
Or you may respecc to accomodate your guild's needs. Just do what you
enjoy. In the end, if you are having fun your spec is fine.

Sorry I could not provide a site, and this is based on personal preference.
But I think the above is a decent approach to a well rounded BM Hunter with
some raiding viability.

P.S. I like Cats for balance of survivability/dps... I like boars for pvp
due to stun on Charge and I like the idea of Bears as tanks (even though my
cat has never let me down post lvl 28 as a tank with BM spec help). If I
were a Marks I might actually use a bear as my main pet since it has good
armor and great STA, as a Marks I would also consider a boar for Charge and
specced Bestial Swifness, i.e. fast approach and recall.

A word on pets. I beef mine up in STA/AC through talents and I use my pet
points in giving it four active abilities (e.g. Bite, Claw, Dash, Growl) and
resists (i.e. Fire Resist for PvE and both locks and mages PvP, Shadow
Resist locks, Cold Resist mages, etc.) In PvP it's really a matter of
general dps or becoming a dedicated class killer. If you dedicate as a
class killer you need to spec your pet to resist that class' major spells...
which requires researching the class you want to kill, then choose a pet
type and skill to maximize effectiveness against that class).

Finally, if you are a BM, please learn to control your pet via making it
Passive, Defensive or Offensive based on the situation and use /pet stay,
/pet attack and /pet follow to the greatest advantage. AND, be willing to
Dismiss Pet when it will assure the pet won't path so as to endanger the
group/raid/you. You can always whistle them up after pathing issues are no
longer a concern... at no mana cost!

P.P.S. I have never found a purpose for the Aggressive setting for a pet
outside of PvP. Hunters need to control a pet's target at all times. In
PvP the Aggressive setting allows a pet to 'detect' stealthed adversaries,
which is nice when defending, e.g., a flag, tower, graveyard flag, etc.
Adding a pet to the detection area in PvP (i.e. a BG) is nice, otherwise
Aggressive is off for pets.

Hope that Helps and Happy Hunting!

wow that was great. I found this web page yesterday. It looks like a
cool spec and i was going BM but not sure where to put my points into.
It appears this page is mostly where i've put my points already. I'm
also finding out I'm pretty good at melee if in a bldg. I perfer
being at a distance. My main is a warlock.

http://wowvault.ign.com/talentcalculator/ViewTemplate.php?templateid=2075


On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:41:41 -0600, "A.G." <nospam.RemoveThis@my.net> wrote:

><thadrixorf.RemoveThis@wow.com> wrote in message
>news:8onkp3p5vv8fs0piclanjv35g5b1bfb1gm@4ax.com...
>>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>> Warlocks Den.
>>
>> I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
>> weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
>> the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>>
>> FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
>> the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24
>>
>
>Direct reply... I have no page for BM talent specs.
>
>Indirect reply... I leveled 2 BM's to 60 pre-xpac. If that interests you,
>read on.
>
>BM is my fave solo spec. I love hunters mainly because they have pets. Now
>to specifics.
>
>Overview --- BM you need to balance the strength of the pet with your own
>dps. What you are striving for is the ability to keep your pet alive and
>keep aggro on it while you do the majority of the dps without drawing aggro.
>This is the "balance" of the BM solo spec. Raiding Hunters go completely to
>dps and rely on Misdirection for pulling purposes and Feign Death to
>mitigate aggro. A raiding hunter will draw on the Marks tree and a bit of
>Survival Tree for max dps. They disregard the pet and indeed seldom call a
>pet. The BM is a different animal, pardon the pun. If you want to walk the
>fine line between BM and Raiding then you need to contribute dps, cc (crowd
>control), control your pet and, preferably, a talented dps aura to your raid
>group.
>
>The best BM approach (imho) is to balance pet survivability/aggro with
>Hunter dps as I stated above. The only Marks tree skills worth pursuing as
>a BM (based on the number of points available to invest) is 3 points in Hawk
>Eye. This garners you a greater range as the primary dpser in your
>Hunter/Pet partnership. Beyond that the points should go toward 1) Making
>your pet survivable, 2) Getting your pet to the target and aggroing it as
>much as possible and 3) Doing substantial dps yourself so you don't end up
>taking forever to kill stuff. These are not necessarily in order of
>priority. They fluctuate according to your play style.
>
>The point is to make sure, in the end, the mob dies before it gets to you,
>whether or not you have to rez your pet. The subsidiary point is to make
>sure the mob dies quickly. If you meet these goals you have specced a good
>BM hunter.
>
>Now to the nitty gritty (and solely my opinion)... I suggest the following
>spec for BM... in order of point allocation...
>
>Marks tree - Improved Concussive Shot 5/5. If the stun works it gives you a
>lot of breathing room so I start with this one at the early levels since
>it's not so critcial then where you put points.
>
>Next, BM tree - Endurance Training 5/5 - beefs up the pet for survivability.
>Next five points depend on how you play but all in BM Focused Fire/Improved
>Aspect of the Hawk/Thick Hide. You choose how you want to allocate in those
>3. Think about your play style, how you dps, how much your pet takes melee
>damage, etc. I like a balance so I lean toward maxing them all eventually.
>But at this point put 5 in what you consider the most important atm.
>
>The next 6 I would put into BM 1/1 Bestial Swiftness and 5/5 Unleashed Fury.
>That gives you a rapid approach without Dash and without Charge. Add it to
>Dash and Charge and it's hella fast. Unleashed Fury sets you up for a pet
>that is not just a 'tag-along' but meaningfully contributes to dps and more.
>
>Next 6 are Improved Mend Pet (to cure poison, disease etc. can be done at
>minimal mana with Level 1 Mend Pet spell) and 5/5 Ferocity. Ferocity sets
>up some really tasty things when the pet crits (e.g. Frenzy).
>
>The next point is in BM Intimidation. If things are going badly, being able
>to stun the target mob or in pvp the target player with your pet is very
>valuable. Time to set a trap, run away, feign, whatever. As a BM hunter
>you dps but you ALSO distract/interrupt/stop mobs/players. Keep that in
>mind while speccing.
>
>At about this point you need to decide whether you want greater range at all
>times or if you want to invest more in your pet. If you group a lot or want
>a bit more time to feign, it might be worth putting your 3 points in the
>Survival tree 3/3 Hawkeye, at this point. It also is nice for PvP since it
>puts you on a par with the max cast etc distance of the other classes. So
>you won't be at a disadvantage if you take on say a Lock or Mage in PvP...
>you'll have the same distance to shoot them as they have to 'shoot' you.
>
>If the above is not a consideration continue in BM 5/5 Frenzy. With the
>previous points, this makes your pet a very formidable dps dealer. He can't
>match you when you climb into Marks further, but the pet still does
>substantial damage and interrupts casters regularly at this point (a la pvp
>vs. casters or to a lesser degree pve vs. caster npcs). This also sets you
>up for improved Hunter dps based on dps boosts based on pet crits (which
>incidentally go to your entire group when you are grouped, but only to you
>when you are solo).
>
>My next point I like BM Bestial Wrath. When you turn the pet red there is
>no Fear etc. that can effect your pet. That is substantial. Dwarf Priests
>make a living being able to make the MT fearless. This is your equivalent
>skill that accrues to your pet. Add Feign and this is a great great great
>skill. In PvP it is priceless. Send the Wrathed pet at a Lock with the
>precursors listed above and you will make a lock afraid. One of my Hunters
>is a PvP lock killer. Bottom line... I get the first hit, the lock dies.
>Bestial Wrath makes this possible.
>
>Next 3 points, BM Ferocious Inspiration. This is probably the only skill
>that will get you in a hardcore raid as a BM. The aura is very very nice.
>Hopefully at this point you have learned how to use your pet without
>grabbing aggro in a raid. With the other skills he will crit early and
>often so this Aura will be continuous. With AoE bosses it is tougher.
>There will be a lot of strategic /pet atack /pet follow. This is where the
>raid BM hunter differentiates from the solo BM hunter. How to kick the aura
>in without killing the pet. It's all about timing. From a solo perspective
>though, Ferocious Inspiration adds dps and kills mobs faster. No downside
>other than the usual aggro management to keep aggro on the pet.
>Feign/ESC/turn back on mob (turn keys) are essential here when you overdo
>your specials or crits and rapid fires draw aggro to you... hopefully you've
>learned this by now.
>
>Next 3 points BM Serpent's Swiftness (SS). Again, adding to your and your
>pet's dps. Also consider the below first if you do PvP regularly.
>Arguably, for hunters who PvE, SS should follow The Beast Within (TBW) for a
>balanced BM. Largely depends on point allocation to date (i.e. do you have
>enough points to spec TBW?).
>
>Next point, BM The Beast Within. This extends Bestial Wrath to you as well.
>No Fear and more dps... good for a hunter, especially in PvP, but many
>applications with fearing bosses in PvE as well. With this point you are at
>the top of the BM tree.
>
>Assuming you have already picked up Hawk Eye in the Survival tree earlier
>(if not 3/3 it at this point), now it's time for the Marks Tree. 5/5
>Improved Hunter's Mark. This is nice in groups or raids where your mark
>improves all melee hits as well.
>
>Marks 2/2 Go for the Throat next. This allows your pet to regen focus
>faster, thus more Claws if you use a cat, i.e. more pet dps more pet dps
>aggro. If you never use Claw with a cat, go to the next paragraph.
>
>The next points are personal choices but I like Marks 1/1 Aimed shot when
>you need that big hit with the potential for a very big crit. This is
>rarely needed, but I like a bit of flexibility just in case. I also
>like 2/2 Rapid Killing since it's nice to be able to use Rapid Fire more
>often (big dps boost) and it adds some general dps boost as well even when
>your not using Rapid Fire (part of the Pet dps/Hunter dps balance).
>
>If you have not added all the above points you will have points left over.
>This means you have a play style different than mine *gasp*... lol. That's
>what makes WoW fun. If you have points left over, allocate them along your
>play style, which requires that you identify what your play style is. There
>is no 'wrong' answer to Talent allocation. It really depends on what style
>of play you want to adopt. You may respecc a few times until you are happy.
>Or you may respecc to accomodate your guild's needs. Just do what you
>enjoy. In the end, if you are having fun your spec is fine.
>
>Sorry I could not provide a site, and this is based on personal preference.
>But I think the above is a decent approach to a well rounded BM Hunter with
>some raiding viability.
>
>P.S. I like Cats for balance of survivability/dps... I like boars for pvp
>due to stun on Charge and I like the idea of Bears as tanks (even though my
>cat has never let me down post lvl 28 as a tank with BM spec help). If I
>were a Marks I might actually use a bear as my main pet since it has good
>armor and great STA, as a Marks I would also consider a boar for Charge and
>specced Bestial Swifness, i.e. fast approach and recall.
>
>A word on pets. I beef mine up in STA/AC through talents and I use my pet
>points in giving it four active abilities (e.g. Bite, Claw, Dash, Growl) and
>resists (i.e. Fire Resist for PvE and both locks and mages PvP, Shadow
>Resist locks, Cold Resist mages, etc.) In PvP it's really a matter of
>general dps or becoming a dedicated class killer. If you dedicate as a
>class killer you need to spec your pet to resist that class' major spells...
>which requires researching the class you want to kill, then choose a pet
>type and skill to maximize effectiveness against that class).
>
>Finally, if you are a BM, please learn to control your pet via making it
>Passive, Defensive or Offensive based on the situation and use /pet stay,
>/pet attack and /pet follow to the greatest advantage. AND, be willing to
>Dismiss Pet when it will assure the pet won't path so as to endanger the
>group/raid/you. You can always whistle them up after pathing issues are no
>longer a concern... at no mana cost!
>
>P.P.S. I have never found a purpose for the Aggressive setting for a pet
>outside of PvP. Hunters need to control a pet's target at all times. In
>PvP the Aggressive setting allows a pet to 'detect' stealthed adversaries,
>which is nice when defending, e.g., a flag, tower, graveyard flag, etc.
>Adding a pet to the detection area in PvP (i.e. a BG) is nice, otherwise
>Aggressive is off for pets.
>
>Hope that Helps and Happy Hunting!
>
>

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:48:55 -0000, "And!" <and!@example.com> wrote:

>
><thadrixorf RemoveThis @wow.com> wrote in message
>news:8onkp3p5vv8fs0piclanjv35g5b1bfb1gm@4ax.com...
>>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>> Warlocks Den.
>>
>> I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
>> weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
>> the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>>
>> FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
>> the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24
>>
>>
>>
>
>http://bigredkitty.blogpot.com/
>
>
>


it took me to a religious site that has nothing to do with WoW. Maybe
that was your intention.

>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
> Warlocks Den.
>
> I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
> weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
> the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>
> FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
> the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24

I used the following a lot:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Hunter_builds

I leveled my hunter from 1-62 as a marksman. Great DPS, but difficulties
keeping agro on my pet. I switched to BM at that time, and I'm having a
blast. I'm at 67 now. My pet can tank single mobs almost as good as many
tanks of the same level, hehe... Great for solo'ing and farming, very handy
for off-tanking in instances... I'm in doubt whether I'll respec to MM/SV at
level 70 for the more challenging of instances, though. My trapping is not
that great without talents in the survivalist tree.

I have a lvl 62 pig and a 66 owl. The owl has dash and screech, very handy
for a little multi-mob tanking.

--
Greets,
Thomas van der Horst.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:52:53 +0100, "Thomas" <ThomasH DeleteThis @lycosmail.nl>
wrote:

>>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>> Warlocks Den.
>>
>> I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
>> weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
>> the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>>
>> FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
>> the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24
>
>I used the following a lot:
>http://www.wowwiki.com/Hunter_builds
>
>I leveled my hunter from 1-62 as a marksman. Great DPS, but difficulties
>keeping agro on my pet. I switched to BM at that time, and I'm having a
>blast. I'm at 67 now. My pet can tank single mobs almost as good as many
>tanks of the same level, hehe... Great for solo'ing and farming, very handy
>for off-tanking in instances... I'm in doubt whether I'll respec to MM/SV at
>level 70 for the more challenging of instances, though. My trapping is not
>that great without talents in the survivalist tree.
>
>I have a lvl 62 pig and a 66 owl. The owl has dash and screech, very handy
>for a little multi-mob tanking.


I got bellygrub to learn a new lvl of charge and gore. dumped him and
trained my pig. I'm now lvl 30 and my pig is still lvl 29. I got all
the latest stuff for him when he turns lvl 30.

I like this bldg

http://wowvault.ign.com/talentcalculator/ViewTemplate.php?templateid=2075

<thadrixorf RemoveThis @wow.com> wrote

> "And!" <and!@example.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><thadrixorf RemoveThis @wow.com> wrote in message
>>news:8onkp3p5vv8fs0piclanjv35g5b1bfb1gm@4ax.com...
>>>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>>> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>>> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>>> Warlocks Den.
>>
>>http://bigredkitty.blogpot.com/
>
> it took me to a religious site that has nothing to do with WoW. Maybe
> that was your intention.
>

His URL has a typo, it's "blogspot", not "blogpot." Which should tell
you a little about how good the bigredkitty site it -- it has a typo
squatter...

www.bigredkitty.net works too.

<thadrixorf.TakeThisOut@wow.com> wrote

>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
> Warlocks Den.

www.bigredkitty.net (which has already been quoted) and the
hunter's official forum has a good discussion stickied.

In general:

5/5 Endurance Training (more hit points for pet);
3/3 Thick Hide (improved armor for pet);
2/2 Improved Revive Pet (ability to quickly bring pet back);
5/5 Unleashed Fury (20% more pet damage);
5/5 Ferocity (huge pet critical attack buff);
1/1 Intimidation (runner/caster stun);
2/2 Bestial Discipline (50% improved pet focus regen);
2/2 Improved Mend Pet (cure pet and lower mana heals);
5/5 Frenzy (additional 30% pet attack speed);
1/1 Beastial Wrath (18 second fear immune, 50% more damage for pet buff);
2/2 Spirit Bond (constant 2%/10 second heal -- goodbye downtime);
2/2 Focused Fire (2% more damage for you; Kill Command crit buff for pet);
5/5 Serpent's Swiftness (20% haste for you and pet); and
1/1 The Beast Within (fear immunity, 10% damage buff, mana reduction for you).

5/5 Lethal Shots (5% more crit);
5/5 Improved Hunter's Mark (more melee AP for pet, you, group);

Then it's just pick and choose while you level through Outland. If you're
going to solo, just keep buffing the pet's survivability:

3/3 Catlike Reflexes (9% dodge for pet, 3% for you);
1/1 Bestial Swiftness (Faster pet, less distance runners get to before dying);
5/5 Improved Aspect of the Hawk (10% chance of 15% haste for you); and
1/2 Go for the Throat (your crits give 25 focus to pet).

That's a very heavy BM build, but it's a great leveling/farming build
and the pet can offtank normal instances (or main tank lower-level
ones.) There are a few switchable talents as you progress, of
course: Improved Revive Pet can be swapped with Focused
Fire once you get Kill Command (feign instead of Revive Pet).
Spirit Bond is questionable if you take Catlike Reflexes (less
damage, less need for health generation) but I like the constant
healing; Beastial Swiftness is very helpful, but a pet with Dash
(or Charge) doesn't really *require* it. One point in Improved
Mend Pet isn't as efficient, but at least provides the necessary
cures (and Spirit Bond helps here). And so on.

I tried 41/20 and didn't care for the lessed survivability against
multiple mobs and elites. YMMV.

In article <7gLmj.3672$v86.3074@trnddc08>, "Wolfie" <bgbdwolf.TakeThisOut@gte.net>
wrote:

> <thadrixorf.TakeThisOut@wow.com> wrote
>
> >I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
> > BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
> > specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
> > Warlocks Den.
>
> www.bigredkitty.net (which has already been quoted) and the
> hunter's official forum has a good discussion stickied.

Very cool site!

I have a lvl 66 hunter that recently respec'd to BM after about 10
levels as MM, which just wasn't fun. Constant challenge to prevent
aggro loss on the pet, timing the shots, running through a long shot
rotation, etc. BM is like controlling a little nuke, it's a blast!

> In general:
>
> 2/2 Improved Revive Pet (ability to quickly bring pet back);

I skipped this one. It seemed like something very rarely useful, and a
dead pet means you probably did something wrong.

> 2/2 Improved Mend Pet (cure pet and lower mana heals);

This talent is great! The 15% cleansing ability of 1/2 didn't feel good
enough when the pet is so important.

"Wolfie" <bgbdwolf RemoveThis @gte.net> wrote in message
news:EnKmj.1096$e46.245@trnddc04...
>
> <thadrixorf RemoveThis @wow.com> wrote
>> "And!" <and!@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><thadrixorf RemoveThis @wow.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8onkp3p5vv8fs0piclanjv35g5b1bfb1gm@4ax.com...
>>>>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>>>> BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>>>> specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>>>> Warlocks Den.
>>>
>>>http://bigredkitty.blogpot.com/
>>
>> it took me to a religious site that has nothing to do with WoW. Maybe
>> that was your intention.
>>
>
> His URL has a typo, it's "blogspot", not "blogpot." Which should tell
> you a little about how good the bigredkitty site it -- it has a typo
> squatter...
>
> www.bigredkitty.net works too.
>

oops, sorry, was a typo

"chocolatemalt" wrote

> "Wolfie" wrote:
>
>> In general:
>>
>> 2/2 Improved Revive Pet (ability to quickly bring pet back);
>
> I skipped this one. It seemed like something very rarely useful, and a
> dead pet means you probably did something wrong.

That's one way to look at it. The other is you can solo a lot of
places where a group of mobs is too tough for one pet by being
able to chain another pet effectively. The OP has a warlock main;
he's probably tried chain-casting pets before. But, yes, by the time
you get Kill Command, it's probably better to swap the points over
to Focused Fire. Even before then the extra damage is just that:
extra, free damage. Lots of people bypass it.

Wolfie wrote:
>
> "chocolatemalt" wrote
>
>> "Wolfie" wrote:
>>
>>> In general:
>>>
>>> 2/2 Improved Revive Pet (ability to quickly bring pet back);
>>
>> I skipped this one. It seemed like something very rarely useful, and
>> a dead pet means you probably did something wrong.
>
> That's one way to look at it. The other is you can solo a lot of
> places where a group of mobs is too tough for one pet by being
> able to chain another pet effectively.

Especially when the improved version gives you enough time to ice trap a
mob and get another pet up.

thadrixorf.RemoveThis@wow.com wrote:

>I have a lvl 29 Female NE Hunter. I've put all my talent points into
>BM. I'd like to know where i can find a good web page on talent
>specs. Detailed info on what each talent does. Sort of like the
>Warlocks Den.
>
>I made it a point to get all the agility i can get on my armor and
>weapons. Next i got Stamina and then intellect. I'm really enjoying
>the hunter almost as much as the Warlock.
>
>FWIW i have a pig for a pet and a cat but I'm spoiled with charge so
>the cat needs training. Pig is lvl 29 and the cat is lvl 24

http://tkasomething.com/

I just took a hunter to 70 and I did a lot of reading on that site.
There are a lot of good posts in the forums.